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I think the only way Kanye steps on the farm again is if jay z is there ironing out the bumps and they do a watch the throne set with large solo gaps I'm all for.
I missed in 2010 and have never seen jay z but I assume he is decent live. I was however waiting for Kanye with the rest of ya 08 and still reserve a few "Quack Kanye" 's for if he does ever make another appearance. Buuuut when watch the throne starts I'm jumping up n down because its provocative, it just gets the people goin
Letter to Kanye Prior to 2014 Roo appearance .
Hey Kanye,
Hows everything going? Kim and the kids doing well? I hear your coming to Bonnaroo this with year with Jay Z. That's great! I can't wait and I am sure the two of you will do a stupendous job on main stage. There are a few things we need to go over before everyone's favorite weekend in June.
Lets cut to the chase Yeezy, I was there in 2008. Remember? Special main stage set? Late night? Sunrise sets are always a good time in my book but not if you have been waiting over an hour for the start and had other artists to see that night.
Years have past and Jigga is here so it will be a great time. But take a few layers off the ego and don't play anything from 808's.
Thanks! See you on the farm!!!,
Concerned Rooster
Dear Concerned Rooster,
My ego has only led me to complete awesomeness at all times. It’s only led me to awesome truth and awesomeness. Beauty, truth, awesomeness. That’s all it is.
I just went to bonnaroo with my ex gf and you motherfuckers can't even get over an artist being late six years ago? Grow the fuck up and move on with your life, seriously.
Also he was late because his black ass was clubbin in ATL until he took his helicopter to Roo when he felt like playing. YOU ALL ARE STUPID.(Well the ones that want Kanye and defend him) quit commenting on things that you have NO IDEA about. dumbasses
How's being a racist working out for ya? Do you still feel like one of the intelligent ones?
HONORABLE MENTION: Runaway Love (remix), Amazing, Heartless, We Major, Two Words, Touch the Sky, Runaway, Monster, The Glory, Barry Bonds, New Slaves, Gold Digger, Through the Wire, Hold My Liquor, All of the Lights.
20. New Day 19. Gorgeous 18. Gone 17. Love Lockdown 16. Dark Fantasy 15. Murder to Excellence 14. Power 13. Flashing Lights 12. New God Flow 11. No Church in the Wild 10. Christian Dior Denim Flow 09. Blood on the Leaves 08. Good Life 07. Say You Will 06. Otis 05. Stronger 04. Niggas in Paris 03. Jesus Walks 02. Can't Tell Me Nothing 01. Diamonds From Sierra Leone (remix)
I'm late here but really want to commend this effort and frown at the idea of songs like stronger, good life, and new day making the list over never let me down, through the wire, or i wonder. opinions I guess
I like the beat for Through the Wire, but aside from the whole "rapping through a broken jaw" novelty bit, I don't feel it's that noteworthy.
I've always though Through the Wire was one of the songs that really showcased just how well he could flow. Plus that beat is one of his best, imo. Lyrics are alright, but really forgettable compared to other College Dropout tracks.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jun 24, 2013 9:40:52 GMT -5
I'm not a huge Kanye fan and think he is below average lyrically (most of the time) so for me leaving some of his greatest beats off a list wouldn't work. Many of the songs on that list are meh lyrically anyways in response to the through the wire exemption.
Never let me down is my favorite kanye track, or at least top 5. New day is just so forgettable especially the lyrics from both of them where never let me down has jay at his best with a nice kanye verse and that awesome poet over one of his all time beats imo.
I do commend you for making the list though. It would be hard for me to do that with say kast or jay.
I'm not a huge Kanye fan and think he is below average lyrically (most of the time) so for me leaving some of his greatest beats off a list wouldn't work. Many of the songs on that list are meh lyrically anyways in response to the through the wire exemption.
Never let me down is my favorite kanye track, or at least top 5. New day is just so forgettable especially the lyrics from both of them where never let me down has jay at his best with a nice kanye verse and that awesome poet over one of his all time beats imo.
I do commend you for making the list though. It would be hard for me to do that with say kast or jay.
I'm not a huge Kanye fan and think he is below average lyrically (most of the time) so for me leaving some of his greatest beats off a list wouldn't work. Many of the songs on that list are meh lyrically anyways in response to the through the wire exemption.
Never let me down is my favorite kanye track, or at least top 5. New day is just so forgettable especially the lyrics from both of them where never let me down has jay at his best with a nice kanye verse and that awesome poet over one of his all time beats imo.
I do commend you for making the list though. It would be hard for me to do that with say kast or jay.
Eh, I love Kanye's verse on New Day. It's one of my favorites, where he manages to be introspective, arrogant, and humorous all at the same time. His line about making his kid be Republican so everyone will know he loves white people is stellar.
A friend of mine hates Kanye West, more because of his celebrity persona than anything else. Anyway he had consistently refused to listen to anything Ye puts out, until I made him listen to his verse on Clique, after which my friend said:
"Maybe I don't hate Kanye. Maybe I just want to be Kanye."
Now that I listened to the new album I think I have a greater understanding and appreciation of Kanye as a lyricist.
Now you sittin' courtside, wifey on the other side Gotta keep 'em separated, I call that apartheid
The angst he shows because he can not sit his wife and mistress together at a basketball game really illustrates the meaning of the underlying metaphors that he uses to outline the difficulty of being himself in this modern world, and all the problems that causes for him.
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Now that I listened to the new album I think I have a greater understanding and appreciation of Kanye as a lyricist.
Now you sittin' courtside, wifey on the other side Gotta keep 'em separated, I call that apartheid
The angst he shows because he can not sit his wife and mistress together at a basketball game really illustrates the meaning of the underlying metaphors that he uses to outline the difficulty of being himself in this modern world, and all the problems that causes for him.
Now that I listened to the new album I think I have a greater understanding and appreciation of Kanye as a lyricist.
The angst he shows because he can not sit his wife and mistress together at a basketball game really illustrates the meaning of the underlying metaphors that he uses to outline the difficulty of being himself in this modern world, and all the problems that causes for him.
Oh shut the f*ck up, Jess.
What I compliment him and you are still not happy? You really are a hard dude to please when it comes to Kanye.
What I compliment him and you are still not happy? You really are a hard dude to please when it comes to Kanye.
Jess, please don't speak to me like I'm a four year old, or one of your burnt out PT pals.
I don't understand Flanzo, you really do not think having to separate your wife and mistress at a game is apartheid like? Also once again proving you know absolutely nothing about me is hilarious, I post on PT like once a year and it involves tickets to shows. All my friends I discuss music with are on here.
Lets get back to Kanye's lyrical genius however and leave your infantile insults aside. I think when he is comparing a car with heavy bass speakers to people with debilitating Parkinson's that is really just a comment on how society singles out the people who have overly loud car stereos and treats them like people with a terminal illness.
Soon as I pull up and park the Benz We get this bitch shaking like Parkinsons
I'm going to be super biased because Gold Digger is the first rap song that made me change my "Lol rap sucks I'm only going to listen to Taking Back Sunday and Saves the Day" stance as a 17 year-old, but most of the songs ranked ahead of it are not better.
Thread idea: Breakthrough moments in your taste in music.
Jess, please don't speak to me like I'm a four year old, or one of your burnt out PT pals.
I don't understand Flanzo, you really do not think having to separate your wife and mistress at a game is apartheid like? Also once again proving you know absolutely nothing about me is hilarious, I post on PT like once a year and it involves tickets to shows. All my friends I discuss music with are on here.
Lets get back to Kanye's lyrical genius however and leave your infantile insults aside. I think when he is comparing a car with heavy bass speakers to people with debilitating Parkinson's that is really just a comment on how society singles out the people who have overly loud car stereos and treats them like people with a terminal illness.
Soon as I pull up and park the Benz We get this biznatch shaking like Parkinsons
Cherry picking 4 bars from the entire catalog of music that Kanye West has written, produced and performed proves....what, Jess?
I'm going to be super biased because Gold Digger is the first rap song that made me change my "Lol rap sucks I'm only going to listen to Taking Back Sunday and Saves the Day" stance as a 17 year-old, but most of the songs ranked ahead of it are not better.
Thread idea: Breakthrough moments in your taste in music.
To be fair the first couple Saves The Day albums were kinda stellar for what they are.
Thread idea: Breakthrough moments in your taste in music.
To be fair the first couple Saves The Day albums were kinda stellar for what they are.
I wasn't hating on Saves The Day. Glenn was speaking about how Gold Digger flipped around his opinion on rap music, and I got thinking about different moments where some new artist/genre/etc. got opened up to me.
I don't understand Flanzo, you really do not think having to separate your wife and mistress at a game is apartheid like? Also once again proving you know absolutely nothing about me is hilarious, I post on PT like once a year and it involves tickets to shows. All my friends I discuss music with are on here.
Lets get back to Kanye's lyrical genius however and leave your infantile insults aside. I think when he is comparing a car with heavy bass speakers to people with debilitating Parkinson's that is really just a comment on how society singles out the people who have overly loud car stereos and treats them like people with a terminal illness.
Jess, given the overall context of the song as well as the allusion to Jim Crow era inventions about the virility of black men, I find these lines from "New Slaves" to be some of Kanye's best. I'd be curious to hear your opinion.
Meanwhile the DEA Teamed up with the CCA They tryna lock n*ggas up They tryna make new slaves See that's that privately owned prison Get your piece today They prolly all in the Hamptons Bragging 'bout what they made Quack you and your Hampton house I'll Quack your Hampton spouse Came on her Hampton blouse And in her Hampton mouth Y'all 'bout to turn sh*t up I'm 'bout to tear sh*t down I'm 'bout to air sh*t out Now what the f*ck they gon' say now?
So (honest opinion here not sarcasm) I think the first part of the lyrics is well thought out, and relevant. While the revenge motives of the middle part to me actually detract from the message that I guess he is trying to get across. Then at the end he gets back to place that reinforces the message from the first part. This is actually part of my larger problem with his lyrics, I think that like Tupac he really does have something relevant and interesting he wants to say then he says something that convinces me he is just a ego driven idiot. I actually enjoyed the Watch the Throne collaboration and I wonder if Jay Z was just able to tone him down for that album. I guess I do understand he is just doing it to make people uncomfortable, but that is not really what I am looking for in rap lyrics.
Cherry picking 4 bars from the entire catalog of music that Kanye West has written, produced and performed proves....what, Jess?
Hey, they can't all be stunners along the lines of "won't you step into the freezer? Please her with the tweezer."
If Phish had a bunch of political and important lyrics then added that in when they wrote those songs I would actually have an issue with it. I can take weird and puerile lyrics if they are done in the context of this is what we do, it is when they get juxtaposed with people who are apparently trying to really say something that I get irritated. OFWG and their members are a great example of someone that once I got over the stupid crap they were saying that I started to enjoy, but they do not compare things in their lives to Jim Crow or Apartheid either that I am aware of.
Jess, given the overall context of the song as well as the allusion to Jim Crow era inventions about the virility of black men, I find these lines from "New Slaves" to be some of Kanye's best. I'd be curious to hear your opinion.
Meanwhile the DEA Teamed up with the CCA They tryna lock n*ggas up They tryna make new slaves See that's that privately owned prison Get your piece today They prolly all in the Hamptons Bragging 'bout what they made Quack you and your Hampton house I'll Quack your Hampton spouse Came on her Hampton blouse And in her Hampton mouth Y'all 'bout to turn sh*t up I'm 'bout to tear sh*t down I'm 'bout to air sh*t out Now what the f*ck they gon' say now?
So (honest opinion here not sarcasm) I think the first part of the lyrics is well thought out, and relevant. While the revenge motives of the middle part to me actually detract from the message that I guess he is trying to get across. Then at the end he gets back to place that reinforces the message from the first part. This is actually part of my larger problem with his lyrics, I think that like Tupac he really does have something relevant and interesting he wants to say then he says something that convinces me he is just a ego driven idiot. I actually enjoyed the Watch the Throne collaboration and I wonder if Jay Z was just able to tone him down for that album. I guess I do understand he is just doing it to make people uncomfortable, but that is not really what I am looking for in rap lyrics.
It's funny you say "then he says something that convinces me he is just a ego driven idiot." The whole song seems to be about rich white men manipulating the egos of blacks to make them "new slaves" and how the taste for Bentley's and the like symbolically marginalizes successful blacks in American society.
See for instance:
I throw these Maybach keys I wear my heart on the sleeve I know that we the new slaves I see the blood on the leaves
"blood on the leaves" of course being a reference to a much ballyhooed sample in another song on the album of Nina Simone's - Strange Fruit, which was about a lynching.
Hey, they can't all be stunners along the lines of "won't you step into the freezer? Please her with the tweezer."
If Phish had a bunch of political and important lyrics then added that in when they wrote those songs I would actually have an issue with it. I can take weird and puerile lyrics if they are done in the context of this is what we do, it is when they get juxtaposed with people who are apparently trying to really say something that I get irritated. OFWG and their members are a great example of someone that once I got over the stupid crap they were saying that I started to enjoy, but they do not compare things in their lives to Jim Crow or Apartheid either that I am aware of.
Key to have Jess enjoy your rap songs: Keep them as far away from racial issues and serious topics as possible and rap about rape, murder, druqs, and so on.
So (honest opinion here not sarcasm) I think the first part of the lyrics is well thought out, and relevant. While the revenge motives of the middle part to me actually detract from the message that I guess he is trying to get across. Then at the end he gets back to place that reinforces the message from the first part. This is actually part of my larger problem with his lyrics, I think that like Tupac he really does have something relevant and interesting he wants to say then he says something that convinces me he is just a ego driven idiot. I actually enjoyed the Watch the Throne collaboration and I wonder if Jay Z was just able to tone him down for that album. I guess I do understand he is just doing it to make people uncomfortable, but that is not really what I am looking for in rap lyrics.
It's funny you say "then he says something that convinces me he is just a ego driven idiot." The whole song seems to be about rich white men manipulating the egos of blacks to make them "new slaves" and how the taste for Bentley's and the like symbolically marginalizes successful blacks in American society.
See for instance:
I throw these Maybach keys I wear my heart on the sleeve I know that we the new slaves I see the blood on the leaves
"blood on the leaves" of course being a reference to a much ballyhooed sample in another song on the album of Nina Simone's - Strange Fruit, which was about a lynching.
I love Old Jazz, and Nina in particular, considering the context od Strange Fruit, of it I really enjoyed Blood on the Leaves until I felt like he trivialized his message by as I said originally he compared the seating arrangements for his wife and mistress at a basketball game to apartheid. Somehow that is the kind of thing he does that turns me off to his music and message as a whole. He really just needs some kind of editor to tell him when he is being a moron, because I really do think sometimes he has something important to say.
That is an interesting take on the whole thing though, that maybe he is acting like a fool because our admittedly Caucasian driven society thinks he should. At the same time he kind of reinforces the point that he is still doing it even though he is aware of the fact that it is a artificial stereotype society has placed upon him. I will have to give that some thought.
If Phish had a bunch of political and important lyrics then added that in when they wrote those songs I would actually have an issue with it. I can take weird and puerile lyrics if they are done in the context of this is what we do, it is when they get juxtaposed with people who are apparently trying to really say something that I get irritated. OFWG and their members are a great example of someone that once I got over the stupid crap they were saying that I started to enjoy, but they do not compare things in their lives to Jim Crow or Apartheid either that I am aware of.
Key to have Jess enjoy your rap songs: Keep them as far away from racial issues and serious topics as possible and rap about rape, murder, druqs, and so on.
Actually the key is not to do both at the same time which is the point I was trying to make. I should either want to take you seriously or not.
It's funny you say "then he says something that convinces me he is just a ego driven idiot." The whole song seems to be about rich white men manipulating the egos of blacks to make them "new slaves" and how the taste for Bentley's and the like symbolically marginalizes successful blacks in American society.
See for instance:
I throw these Maybach keys I wear my heart on the sleeve I know that we the new slaves I see the blood on the leaves
"blood on the leaves" of course being a reference to a much ballyhooed sample in another song on the album of Nina Simone's - Strange Fruit, which was about a lynching.
I love Old Jazz, and Nina in particular, considering the context od Strange Fruit, of it I really enjoyed Blood on the Leaves until I felt like he trivialized his message by as I said originally he compared the seating arrangements for his wife and mistress at a basketball game to apartheid. Somehow that is the kind of thing he does that turns me off to his music and message as a whole. He really just needs some kind of editor to tell him when he is being a moron, because I really do think sometimes he has something important to say.
Considering references to that song stretch the whole album, I don't find this argument particularly persuasive. Not when the New York Times said it, and not now that you're repeating it as your own.
That is an interesting take on the whole thing though, that maybe he is acting like a fool because our admittedly Caucasian driven society thinks he should. At the same time he kind of reinforces the point that he is still doing it even though he is aware of the fact that it is a artificial stereotype society has placed upon him. I will have to give that some thought.
I just find it hilarious that the racial problem he's commenting on in the song is precisely what you're criticizing him for "if you like Bentleys, you're a fool."
Key to have Jess enjoy your rap songs: Keep them as far away from racial issues and serious topics as possible and rap about rape, murder, druqs, and so on.
Actually the key is not to do both at the same time which is the point I was trying to make. I should either want to take you seriously or not.
Okay, please point to the part of Kanye's songs that emphasize the rape, murder, drugs, etc.
I love Old Jazz, and Nina in particular, considering the context od Strange Fruit, of it I really enjoyed Blood on the Leaves until I felt like he trivialized his message by as I said originally he compared the seating arrangements for his wife and mistress at a basketball game to apartheid. Somehow that is the kind of thing he does that turns me off to his music and message as a whole. He really just needs some kind of editor to tell him when he is being a moron, because I really do think sometimes he has something important to say.
Considering references to that song stretch the whole album, I don't find this argument particularly persuasive. Not when the New York Times said it, and not now that you're repeating it as your own.
That is an interesting take on the whole thing though, that maybe he is acting like a fool because our admittedly Caucasian driven society thinks he should. At the same time he kind of reinforces the point that he is still doing it even though he is aware of the fact that it is a artificial stereotype society has placed upon him. I will have to give that some thought.
I just find it hilarious that the racial problem he's commenting on in the song is precisely what you're criticizing him for "if you like Bentleys, you're a fool."
No what I meant, was that if you are commenting on the problem of stereotypes, then fulfilling those stereotypes I have trouble getting your message. There is nothing wrong with liking Bentleys, there is something wrong with liking them because you should. Just like there is nothing wrong with having sex with married women in the Hamptons (I mean who has not done this) but there is with doing it for revenge on Whitey. If Kanye could ever get a coherent message across I would certainly respect his lyrical abilities a lot more.
That being said the only way I would want to see him at Bonnaroo is with Watch the Throne II, after listening to the albums and seeing all the reviews I wish I could have caught that live show.
