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O'neil - take a look at when I have voted for Linana. You keep bring up our vote exchange, but do you realize when I have voted for her . . . to get her voted out last round, not Snakeface. Take a look at the final tally's. The last vote was up to Phi, he voted Snake over Linana, saving her in another sense, yet you have paired up with him this round trying to pin me with it? I also think it's a little shady how Phi saved me, but is coming around again to try to get me voted off for still being in the game. Between these two and Tejas, i'd like to see at least 1, preferably 2, in this runoff.
Mike D >> Tejas
so if you think Phi is so suspicious, why vote for Tejas over him? I'm not saying I don't wonder about Phi. but if you have reason to suspect him why not throw your vote that way? and linana didn't get voted out last round. you both moved your votes, and it just left me with a bad taste. this post from linana about the issue didn't help:
O'neil, I'm not sure how to explain that vote switch. It seems like Mike has been after me from almost the beginning of this game. If I understand the game correctly, mafia distancing would come later in the game, wouldn't it? If we were mafia together, why would he bring so much attention to me in round one? He's the main reason anyone has been suspicious of me the whole game. I've never played this game as mafia, but I wouldn't think that would be very smart strategy.
As far as the vote switch, I guess we just both decided to stop pointing fingers at each other for a minute in order to try & help root out some mafia. I never decided I wasn't suspicious of Mike on some level, but at the time he and some others sort of convinced me it would help the town more if we put new people in the runoff. I thought with Mike out of the runoff that we might get some great revelation from him. Now I'm not sure what to think.
I'm not ready to vote yet. I'm on mobile so its hard to go back and read, and my hand is hurting from typing this long ass post. And I can't remember who all is still playing. Be back tomorrow.
playing the "I'm not really sure how the game works" bit, etc. and I think her pinning people's suspicion of her on you was odd. in my mind, the seemingly random vote from you was not suspicious- every first vote is essentially random- it was jimmy's responses. seems like she is just trying to convince everyone that you have it out for her.
this is the point where everything can be interpreted so many different ways.
And O'neil, I would like to know what you think I am twisting?
mostly my brain. I just think you are probably not just a strong townie as has been mentioned so often, but also a clever mafia when assigned that role. so throwing suspicion on Phi (and disrupting the theory where you are mafia), that could very well be mafia twisting the facts to make their case.
I don't know, it's late and I have an ethics article critique to write, but I have a bad feeling the town is in trouble right now.
LOL at me being mafia.. I hope someone can please quote me or describe how I'm mafia.
Someone said earlier that some of my posts seemed "forced"? I'm really not sure what that even means??? Do you think someone had a gun to my head while I was typing? Seriously, though, if anyone can bring suspicion using ACTUAL logic against me ill be impressed.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
I feel like the vote switch with him and linana that I questioned earlier was never explained. IIRC the only response was from linana and it was just that anyone who thought she and Mike were "in cahoots" was mafia.
o'neil >> Mike D
This is what yall have on me in the third round.
Phi - there are seven players left that haven't been voted off O'neil - I feel I have explained that you are singling out one vote switch, but are ignoring what else I did in that round concerning Linana
Seeing how no one else feels there should be a runoff, I am not going to force one. If yall want one, change your votes. If not, let me get voted out for the reasons above and we will leave it at that. Time for yall to start making something happen or continue to let the mafia have their way. I am hoping we have at least one mafia down cause I really don't like loosing in the third round, but I would be willing to bet that is going to be the case.
Just an fyi, I will be visiting my brother's house over the next 24-ish hours. His internet is down at the moment, so I will not be keeping as close an eye on it as I would like to. I will try to check in on mobile. I am currently locked in on my vote though and would like to see Phi go to the runoff. If that's not the case I guess I'll have a vote in the runoff.
Mike, honestly, I don't think it's just those 2 things that you have going against you. I think your experience and reputation are hurting you here. Everyone always says how you're the best player and that you'll have it all figured out after a round or two. And no offense intended (seriously), but I think since you haven't given everyone all the answers yet and wrapped this game up singlehandedly, everyone is thinking the only reason for that is that you must be mafia. I don't mean to say you're doing a bad job, just that you've been built up (especially to us newbies) as this great & powerful presence in the game of mafia and how dare you not deliver up to our expectations (sarcasm).
I really haven't figured any of this out yet. I've been working a lot lately and really busy with my kids, so I haven't had as much time to keep up with the game, and half the time I'm logging in on mobile and that's a pain in the ass.
I'm holding onto the hope that we've already voted out 1 or maybe 2 mafia, and we just have one or two left. The only one I felt strongly about was Snakeface - I still have a strong suspicion that he was mafia. I'd like to try again to see if I can figure out if there is any sign of alliance with SF (I thought I had done so with Ody but that turned out to be a failure), and also see if I can pinpoint any signs of alliance between any of our remaining players.
I'm supposed to be busy working on an important project at work but I really don't want to work on it so... I'm going to do some mafia research instead At least for a little while.
In response to Phi, the reason I find it shady that you saved me and now are trying to vote me out is because your reason for voting for me now is that I haven't been killed. I can see how that may not seem odd to some, but it's awfully convenient that you are voting for someone you saved for still being in the game.
I guess my biggest beef with how things in the game have been going so far is yall just think I have the game figured out, know who the three mafia and inspector are, and will win it for everyone. That's not the case. Yes, I have a very good idea of who the mafia are at this point, mainly the ones who have some reasonable holes in their cases when voting, but I see yall going in circles. I have a very good idea who the inspector is as well, but basing that off a townies perspective is often much more difficult because I can't cross that with mafia names I know for sure. Even if I was certain who the mafia are, I still would have to persuade a number of votes, and more than likely some of the votes and people who think I am mafia for simply not being killed off.
I can tell you there is almost no way we have 2 mafia down and not many folks seemed certain Snake was mafia other than just being quiet. There is a chance, but I really believe the mafia are going to get a win with the vote, esp if no one else chimes in, states their actual suspicions, and get's this game going.
I am also still waiting to hear back on what I folks think I am twisting around/not being clear on/etc . . . . just sayin, you only have a couple more hours to blow that off til I am gone though.
In response to Phi, the reason I find it shady that you saved me and now are trying to vote me out is because your reason for voting for me now is that I haven't been killed. I can see how that may not seem odd to some, but it's awfully convenient that you are voting for someone you saved for still being in the game.
I guess my biggest beef with how things in the game have been going so far is yall just think I have the game figured out, know who the three mafia and inspector are, and will win it for everyone. That's not the case. Yes, I have a very good idea of who the mafia are at this point, mainly the ones who have some reasonable holes in their cases when voting, but I see yall going in circles. I have a very good idea who the inspector is as well, but basing that off a townies perspective is often much more difficult because I can't cross that with mafia names I know for sure. Even if I was certain who the mafia are, I still would have to persuade a number of votes, and more than likely some of the votes and people who think I am mafia for simply not being killed off.
I can tell you there is almost no way we have 2 mafia down and not many folks seemed certain Snake was mafia other than just being quiet. There is a chance, but I really believe the mafia are going to get a win with the vote, esp if no one else chimes in, states their actual suspicions, and get's this game going.
I am also still waiting to hear back on what I folks think I am twisting around/not being clear on/etc . . . . just sayin, you only have a couple more hours to blow that off til I am gone though.
Ok, so then who do you think the 3 mafia are? Obviously I dont want you to post who you think the inspector is.
Tejas, I will get back to you with some quotes that I need you to clarify, but I do want to get my thoughts out to Mike D while they are still fresh.. I can't speak for everybody, but I was simply expecting a little more content from Mike D. Ody and I both posted our thoughts on who the mafia may be this game, and I even put out there that I felt if we still had three remaining that Tejas may be the third. It isn't that we aren't sharing suspicions or are randomly placing votes at this point in the game, just that the same names keep coming up. Frankly Mike D, I don't know what I was really hoping you would come up with, or what revelations you would drop into our laps so that we could start eliminating mafia, but this is what we have come down to, and your vote change to o'neil is only setting us up to get rid of someone with no potential for getting possibly important information.
I really think SF was mafia. I've said that before, and it is based off my own personal experience. I did the same thing as a newbie with a mafia role--it simply became too much pressure so I stopped talking as soon as suspicion was cast in my general direction. Now, I also believe there are 2 mafia remaining in this game, and therein lies the problem; we have to find connections between people, be it by votes, replies indicating distancing, buddying up, etc. I would have been content seeing new people in the runoff, which has certainly been a point of frustration, as long as they are people with suspicion surrounding them--anything but this type of situation. I will change my vote to Linana if it looks like this is going to come down to a no runoff deal since she has been more suspicious than Phi in my opinion, but we have rehashed the Mike D/Linana deal so much that it would be nice to some different arguments coming up.
In response to Phi, the reason I find it shady that you saved me and now are trying to vote me out is because your reason for voting for me now is that I haven't been killed. I can see how that may not seem odd to some, but it's awfully convenient that you are voting for someone you saved for still being in the game.
I guess my biggest beef with how things in the game have been going so far is yall just think I have the game figured out, know who the three mafia and inspector are, and will win it for everyone. That's not the case. Yes, I have a very good idea of who the mafia are at this point, mainly the ones who have some reasonable holes in their cases when voting, but I see yall going in circles. I have a very good idea who the inspector is as well, but basing that off a townies perspective is often much more difficult because I can't cross that with mafia names I know for sure. Even if I was certain who the mafia are, I still would have to persuade a number of votes, and more than likely some of the votes and people who think I am mafia for simply not being killed off.
I can tell you there is almost no way we have 2 mafia down and not many folks seemed certain Snake was mafia other than just being quiet. There is a chance, but I really believe the mafia are going to get a win with the vote, esp if no one else chimes in, states their actual suspicions, and get's this game going.
I am also still waiting to hear back on what I folks think I am twisting around/not being clear on/etc . . . . just sayin, you only have a couple more hours to blow that off til I am gone though.
I am not locked in. on my cell at the moment but I will post more when I am home later. I do agree that there are very likely still 3 mafia out there. not sure anyone has made a strong enough case yet for any one player to be mafia, myself included with my suspicions voiced. but at least I am trying to reason things out and generate discussion.
FTR Mike I don't think anyone expected you to singlehandedly win the game, but your theories seem to generally hold more weight with people. can't say I've been super impressed yet this game.
and while your vote change leaves you vulnerable I wouldn't expect anything different if you were mafia. the mafia have to feel pretty confident at this point, and you being voted off could be considered an acceptable loss to allay suspicion.
Ody, Linana, Phi, Snake, Mike D are who the 2 whacks have voted for.
O'neil has voted only for folks who are now dead.
Tejas has voted for both Snake and Jimmy who were voted off and the same three folks left over from round 1.
Phi has been the last one to vote/change both rounds. Combine that with his simple reason of voting is that I am alive, I can't think of a logical reason a townie would want to control the votes like that, but still have so little to base his initial vote this round. Phi is the only player who has received votes from the 2 whacks who has not been in a runoff
Curious what other patterns folks see here . . . .
One other thing to note, Ella hasn't received a single vote this game, the only player left. Not sure what that means, she could be a very low key mafia, although mafia will usually vote for one of their own at a non-threatening time simply to be able to say "we're not mafia together, we voted each other". I think there is a reasonable chance she is mafia because she has voted for the person who was killed in both rounds so far.
Sorry snakeface, but until you decide to start playing the game, im going to have to vote for you. feel free to come back to the game, defend yourself, and convince me to change my vote.
I think it's just because I'm easily forgotten about, same thing happened until Day 4 on the last game. Mike D, is it just the vote reasoning or her questioning you that has you thinking o'neil is mafia? I've reread the game several times and she just doesn't throw up any flags for me, so is there something I'm not seeing?
I think it's just because I'm easily forgotten about, same thing happened until Day 4 on the last game. Mike D, is it just the vote reasoning or her questioning you that has you thinking o'neil is mafia? I've reread the game several times and she just doesn't throw up any flags for me, so is there something I'm not seeing?
What I am looking at is the votes on players who are dead. This round she seemed to just bandwagon on Phi and at the end of both rounds their votes have been aligned.
Sorry snakeface, but until you decide to start playing the game, im going to have to vote for you. feel free to come back to the game, defend yourself, and convince me to change my vote.
phi >>> snakeface
Wrong Phi, find me a vote in round 2 after this
I originally voted for snakeface, then only switched to Ody because someone had stacked on snakeface and I wanted a runoff. I even STATED that when I did it. Once the runoff voted i switch back to my original vote of snakeface. I guess you "forgot" to include that part?
As far as your switch, it was still in the middle of the round, there was no danger of Snake getting voted off right then and there, we both know that.
I think it's just because I'm easily forgotten about, same thing happened until Day 4 on the last game. Mike D, is it just the vote reasoning or her questioning you that has you thinking o'neil is mafia? I've reread the game several times and she just doesn't throw up any flags for me, so is there something I'm not seeing?
What I am looking at is the votes on players who are dead. This round she seemed to just bandwagon on Phi and at the end of both rounds their votes have been aligned.
Round 2 really wasn't much of a good indicator on alignment, we had a few place votes on SF and leave them there, but I do see what you are saying. I don't know that it says much about a connection though. I really need to get on my reply to Tejas though, because I need him to clarify what he said to jimmy about distancing vs. what he said to linana, because to me it looks contradictory. I am so lazy when it comes to quoting.
I think it's just because I'm easily forgotten about, same thing happened until Day 4 on the last game. Mike D, is it just the vote reasoning or her questioning you that has you thinking o'neil is mafia? I've reread the game several times and she just doesn't throw up any flags for me, so is there something I'm not seeing?
What I am looking at is the votes on players who are dead. This round she seemed to just bandwagon on Phi and at the end of both rounds their votes have been aligned.
still re-reading but wanted to go ahead and address this one. I was already planning to vote for you initially this round and he just beat me to it. as for last round, that's a weak argument. I never changed my vote.
I think it is probably pretty obvious from my previous posts that I think the three most likely mafia are Phi, Tejas and O'neil
Ody, Linana, Phi, Snake, Mike D are who the 2 whacks have voted for.
O'neil has voted only for folks who are now dead.
Tejas has voted for both Snake and Jimmy who were voted off and the same three folks left over from round 1.
Phi has been the last one to vote/change both rounds. Combine that with his simple reason of voting is that I am alive, I can't think of a logical reason a townie would want to control the votes like that, but still have so little to base his initial vote this round. Phi is the only player who has received votes from the 2 whacks who has not been in a runoff
Curious what other patterns folks see here . . . .
One other thing to note, Ella hasn't received a single vote this game, the only player left. Not sure what that means, she could be a very low key mafia, although mafia will usually vote for one of their own at a non-threatening time simply to be able to say "we're not mafia together, we voted each other". I think there is a reasonable chance she is mafia because she has voted for the person who was killed in both rounds so far.
so you used the same reasoning to pin both me and ella as mafia, but I'm the one you throw in with Tejas and Phi? I don't know, I was starting to think maybe I was wrong about you being mafia.. but now I feel like you are targeting me because I have been the one most vocal about you being possible mafia.
I have stuck my neck out by voicing all of my thoughts, and I knew continuing to call people out might bring heat on me. interesting that you are jumping on me now when I have done nothing suspicious. yes, I voted for the players who died in the first two rounds, but of course I wasn't the only one to do so. I honestly thought at the first runoff Jimmy was more likely mafia than you but like I said at the time, I was not convinced either of you were mafia. as for SF, same thing- I found his behavior/silence odd but by no means a conclusive sign he was mafia. it's not like I was adamant about jimmy or SF being mafia. wouldn't a mafia try harder to make other players look guilty?
ok I am locked in on my vote. after reading Mike's posts, I just can't shake the feeling that he is mafia, trying to stir everything up and create confusion with these theories at the 11th hour. maybe I'm wrong, but I don't want to take the chance.
At least for a little while. 
