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This question is not meant to be snarky, so please don't take it that way. Genuinely curious.
Is the appeal of watching wrestling that it's basically a live action soap opera? Does your attachment to it stem mainly from nostalgia? Do you watch it for the physicality of the wrestlers?
This question is not meant to be snarky, so please don't take it that way. Genuinely curious.
Is the appeal of watching wrestling that it's basically a live action soap opera? Does your attachment to it stem mainly from nostalgia? Do you watch it for the physicality of the wrestlers?
Yes.
In my experience, yes. I started watching again like 3-4 years ago only because I hooked myself by going back and watching events from my childhood.
Not usually, but it makes for a nice surprise (see Cesaro).
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That's bullshit. Maybe because those house shows are so small and it would be easier to catch slip ups so they don't take chances. Personally I've filmed moments at Raw and Mania with a DSLR.
Speaking of Mania, we're less than 4 weeks out! We have nxt that weekend too. Anyone ever done Axxess? Seems like it could be a waste of time.
I remember going to a house show as a kid and it seemed a little more "free". Guys were yucking it up in the ring, it was less choreographed, and personas/beefs were kinda dropped a bit. But still, getting booted if fucked up.
House show which is why I was even more confused. That's weird that they are apparently more strict with that.
Maybe it's because they usually feature matchups from future PPV's?
I think it's more so they re-use spots from them. Ohno faced Patrice Clark even though hes gonna be in the 3-way against Nak and Roode at Takeover. And main event was Nak and Dillinger VS Cien Almas and Roode.
This question is not meant to be snarky, so please don't take it that way. Genuinely curious.
Is the appeal of watching wrestling that it's basically a live action soap opera? Does your attachment to it stem mainly from nostalgia? Do you watch it for the physicality of the wrestlers?
Part of it comes from nostalgia. Watching it when I'm older after not watching since I was 8 made me realize how much more painful it actually is. Clearly it's fake but the fact that these guys have to be able to fall from a top rope or from 6 feet up numerous times a match and make that look real and at the same time reduce the impact as much as possible is admirable to me. There is very little things on television as satisfying as watching your favorite wrestler win the title. It's the only TV program besides Thrones and Westworld that has me yelling at the TV or standing up and clapping because something happened. It's nice to completely suspend disbelief and act as if these two dudes are actually fucking eachother up. Yes UFC is real, but sometimes the matches are like 30 seconds and end up being super shitty (ironically this was last nights WWE main event.), at least with wrestling they can create any story and outcome they want.
This question is not meant to be snarky, so please don't take it that way. Genuinely curious.
Is the appeal of watching wrestling that it's basically a live action soap opera? Does your attachment to it stem mainly from nostalgia? Do you watch it for the physicality of the wrestlers?
1. The "soap opera" thing. I'm not even sure where to start with this. Sure, there's the occasional drama and conflict (see also: thread title) but I wouldn't exclusively say it's that.
I mean, perhaps the most-watched show on TV involves fucking zombies, so rasslin' might arguably have firmer footing in reality. And let's be fair here, as far as the actual coverage of "legitimate" sports (as opposed to "sports entertainment") we see sports media bending over backwards to insert soap opera drama storylines. Deflategate, contract holdouts, hype boners over revenge games, suspensions for drugs/violence and whatnot... those things all get inserted into sports programming when it largely has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with play on the field. So I think maybe fans of "legitimate" sports are up on a high horse acting like their shit don't stink but rasslin's does.
I do want to add that part of the appeal is its familiarity and relative simplicity. I'm a busy guy, I don't do much appointment viewing, and it's easy to follow. I miss two consecutive weeks of most other shows, I'm kind of lost. I miss 2-3 weeks of Raw or SmackDown, and I don't think that learning curve is nearly as steep playing catchup.
I also want to add, before I move on, that rasslin' and politics are more similar than most people can realize or care to admit. I just don't think there's a huge overlap in those fandoms, and I think that people who are invested in one like to act as if they want nothing to do with the other. Let me point out here that we had 20+ presidential candidates last year, and the one in the White House right now is the one who's been at WrestleMania. Just sayin.
2. Nostalgia Hell yeah, I watched during peak Hulkamania as a kid, and I watch now because the grade school boy in my life picked up the habit. But I don't think it's always been as consistent - I don't think the Hulkamania 80s & Attitude Era 90s & today's PG Era business are necessarily interchangeable. Also, I'm not a grown-ass man who occasionally wears a New Day unicorn horn because they were big in my youth, you know?
3. Physicality Yes and no. Obviously, it's fun to watch people beat the crap out of each other - scripted or not. Simply taking some of the bumps they do and selling moves as they're minimizing their impact can be an impressive task. Sure, Shane-O-Mac doing like a 20 foot elbow drop from the top of Hell In A Cell was scripted. But it's still pretty damn impressive. If you're looking at it like physicality as physique, though... look at guys like Daniel Bryan or Kevin Owens. Neither of them really have the typical "look" of a champion wrestler and probably wouldn't have won straps back in the day. Bryan's undersized to the extent that he was underdog extraordinaire and rode it to the top. Owens looks more like a stereotypical wrestling fan than a champion... and as a fat beardy jerk named Kevin myself, I'm 110% on his side here. To reference something you might have missed earlier in thread before posing these questions... go back and watch that clip of old man Flair in the weight room, and tell me you're not impressed? Last, but not least, worth noting that skill on the mic is also a big factor here - and, in these days, internet presence. Straight physicality only gets you so far, same as being great on the mic between squash matches. Gotta have some of both to get over with a crowd.
Another interesting bit of information reported by PWInsider is that there have been discussions for Balor to have a different look when he returns to television. Although he uses the body paint for big matches, there is nothing fascinating about his look without it. As a result, Balor may be wearing a mask as he walks down the ramp to the ring, but remove it when he enters the ring. This would be for the purpose of increasing his marketability and selling the masks. This would be useful, since Balor’s T-shirts sell highly for the company. There have been other talks of creating other possibilities of a change in appearance for Balor.
When things like the Hardys showing up last night happen, it reminds me why I still watch this crap.
Best Moments of Show:
1.) Hardy Boyz entrance 2.) Shane O Mac 's shooting star press attempt and coast to coast 3.) The security guard trying to stop Gronk. 4.) Watching John Cena have to sprint down the 6 mile ramp 5.) Getting to hear "Bah Gawddddd" again
Honorable Mention: hearing the "Turn the lights off" chants! How mad would you be if you got to Mania and the lights were directly in your face all night?
Worst Moments of Show:
1.) The show was literally 3 hours of wrestling and 3 hours of walking down the ramp 2.) WWE still trying to push Reigns as the top face while getting booed out of the stadium over and over.....and over. 3.) Having Taker's career end that way. The farewell was fine, but he should have retired at least a year or two ago while he could put on a match. I would have rather watched Brock squash him in 30 seconds than watch him botch spot after spot because he had nothing left. (That failed tombstone reversal was some of the most cringe-worthy tv I've ever seen). 4.) Everything involving Cena. Are you really trying to convince me that the proposal hadn't been planned for at least 6 months? I give her props for trying to act surprised but come on. When Vegas has prop bets on it happening, it clearly had been the plan for awhile.
I'm sure more will come to me as I think about the show. Overall I thought it was good. The last 4 matches were literally the worst matches of the night. Bray/Orton was by far the most boring "big" match of the night. Goldberg/Lesnar never had a chance of being any good since Goldberg can't handle more than 3-4 mins. The women's match I actually forgot about. And Taker/Reigns was a disaster in every aspect. 7/10 simply because AJ Styles is the fucking best and The Hardyz made me pop like a 3 year old in a candy store.
Undertaker and Reigns was still better for the company long term. The match itself, though sad to watch sometimes given his condition (the failed reverse tombstone for example), was quite poetic - his healing powers fizzled out, the coat in the ring, breaking character to kiss his wife, etc. For Brock to have just squashed him at 30, that would have taken away from some of the mystique and the warrior mentality he often displayed. Plus, we got to see him go on to do battle with Bray and Shane which in the grand scheme of things is more valuable than not.
Like him or not though, Roman's not going anywhere and his resume will include retiring Vince's greatest creation. The question is now will we have to hear about, "the 2 in 22-2", until New Orleans? I am excited for the draft though. Bring on Shinsuke. Bring on Styles v Balor.
I thought it was a great event though. The tag matches at both events were my favorites of the weekend. This was my view for mania.
Undertaker and Reigns was still better for the company long term. The match itself, though sad to watch sometimes given his condition (the failed reverse tombstone for example), was quite poetic - his healing powers fizzled out, the coat in the ring, breaking character to kiss his wife, etc. For Brock to have just squashed him at 30, that would have taken away from some of the mystique and the warrior mentality he often displayed. Plus, we got to see him go on to do battle with Bray and Shane which in the grand scheme of things is more valuable than not.
Like him or not though, Roman's not going anywhere and his resume will include retiring Vince's greatest creation. The question is now will we have to hear about, "the 2 in 22-2", until New Orleans? I am excited for the draft though. Bring on Shinsuke. Bring on Styles v Balor.
I thought it was a great event though. The tag matches at both events were my favorites of the weekend. This was my view for mania.
Undertaker doesn't have a Twitter by the way. And last night's opening segment was the hardest I've EVER seen anyone boo'ed in my life. There is legit no way Vince turns Reigns around to make him a backed face. When you're a face getting boo'ed so hard that you have to abandon you're promo, you're in big trouble.
Undertaker and Reigns was still better for the company long term. The match itself, though sad to watch sometimes given his condition (the failed reverse tombstone for example), was quite poetic - his healing powers fizzled out, the coat in the ring, breaking character to kiss his wife, etc. For Brock to have just squashed him at 30, that would have taken away from some of the mystique and the warrior mentality he often displayed. Plus, we got to see him go on to do battle with Bray and Shane which in the grand scheme of things is more valuable than not.
Like him or not though, Roman's not going anywhere and his resume will include retiring Vince's greatest creation. The question is now will we have to hear about, "the 2 in 22-2", until New Orleans? I am excited for the draft though. Bring on Shinsuke. Bring on Styles v Balor.
I thought it was a great event though. The tag matches at both events were my favorites of the weekend. This was my view for mania.
Undertaker doesn't have a Twitter by the way. And last night's opening segment was the hardest I've EVER seen anyone boo'ed in my life. There is legit no way Vince turns Reigns around to make him a backed face. When you're a face getting boo'ed so hard that you have to abandon you're promo, you're in big trouble.
Ah, I don't really use Twitter. He is receiving the most heat of anyone on the roster though. He's generating a reaction. That's the point. And honestly last night's promo was fine imo. The crowd spoke for him and, "this is my yard now", (as cheesy as it may be) worked in that scenario because it only made them hate him even more. It works for Cena. Meanwhile there is a generation of kids growing up who like him regardless of adult fans and their opinions.
edit: also, not every Raw crowd will be as ruthless as the one after mania. Those Roman sucks chants will only give him more momentum in the same way the Cena sucks, you suck, Rocky sucks did in the end.
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Undertaker doesn't have a Twitter by the way. And last night's opening segment was the hardest I've EVER seen anyone boo'ed in my life. There is legit no way Vince turns Reigns around to make him a backed face. When you're a face getting boo'ed so hard that you have to abandon you're promo, you're in big trouble.
Ah, I don't really use Twitter. He is receiving the most heat of anyone on the roster though. He's generating a reaction. That's the point. And honestly last night's promo was fine imo. The crowd spoke for him and, "this is my yard now", (as cheesy as it may be) worked in that scenario because it only made them hate him even more. It works for Cena. Meanwhile there is a generation of kids growing up who like him regardless of adult fans and their opinions.
edit: also, every crowd won't be as ruthless as the raw after mania's. Those Roman sucks chants will only give him more momentum in the same way the Cena sucks, you suck, Rocky sucks did.
I just feel bad for the guy. A couple of the smaller botches were his fault against Taker, but the last 10 minutes was Roman literally trying to carry 300 lbs of dead weight. I'm not a fan but the guy doesn't deserve what he's getting.
Yeah, like I said, it was just hard to watch. Those chair shots at the end for example, ya gotta know he told him to just let him have it. Just a few more bumps, why not? The last shot literally echoed throughout the stadium. It allowed a proper goodbye and t least it wasn't at the expense of a thriving face like Balor. Everyone already hates Roman.
Idk if anyone watches New Japan here but jesus fucking christ. Okada vs Shibata was amazing. Okada is the best wrestler on the god damn planet and Shibata isn't even human.
Idk if anyone watches New Japan here but jesus fucking christ. Okada vs Shibata was amazing. Okada is the best wrestler on the god damn planet and Shibata isn't even human.
Okada vs Omega II was last night on Dominion... Meltzer is saying it's one of the best shows ever. About to watch the main before Better Call Saul, very pumped to see this.
Idk if anyone watches New Japan here but jesus fucking christ. Okada vs Shibata was amazing. Okada is the best wrestler on the god damn planet and Shibata isn't even human.
Okada vs Omega II was last night on Dominion... Meltzer is saying it's one of the best shows ever. About to watch the main before Better Call Saul, very pumped to see this.
Have you seen the first match? This match is fucking amazing man, let me know what you think.
Okada vs Omega II was last night on Dominion... Meltzer is saying it's one of the best shows ever. About to watch the main before Better Call Saul, very pumped to see this.
Have you seen the first match? This match is fucking amazing man, let me know what you think.
Yea I watched it as soon as I heard the Meltz rave about it, that's why I'm excited for this. So far, its expectedly great. Omega working the knee brilliantly. Edit: so much for finishing this before better call Saul, looks like they went the entire Broadway with this one. The whole hour…
Okay, so Okada/Omega II was flippin' excellent, maybe better than the Wrestle Kingdom match. I'd say one of the best hour long matches I've seen, even if it didn't have the psychology of Angle/Lesnar or was as well worked as Flair/Steamboat, better than any hour long match I've seen from any US indie promotion and probably any Japanese marathon match, as well. The storytelling and drama was unreal, and the pacing was perfect. The only complain I have is how I mentioned in the previous post that Omega was working Okada's knee/leg brilliantly... well, it was worked on really well for about 15 minutes and dropped, lol. Didn't hurt the match at all, but it could have been better if it was continuing point of the match. Lots of call backs to the WK match as you would expect, with a great teased dragon suplex off the top and a thankfully safer looking dropkick to the back of the head than in the last match. There was a death valley driver on to the edge of the apron that looked like it sucked, but for the most part they took really good care of each other and worked their asses off. I'm guessing from here, we'll have another rematch down the line where Omega wins, and then Omega will drop it (to Okada or whoever) before he inevitably goes off to WWE. I'm going to say this was the best match I've seen in years, probably since Suzuki/Tanahashi from 2012 King of Pro Wrestling.
I know most of those guys prefer the indie schedule, but I can't imagine any American wrestler not wanting to make their mark in WWE at some point. Adam Cole is probably next though. We will be waiting years for the Young Bucks, unfortunately.
Sidenote - Kenny's hair gets cooler with each event.
I know most of those guys prefer the indie schedule, but I can't imagine any American wrestler not wanting to make their mark in WWE at some point. Adam Cole is probably next though. We will be waiting years for the Young Bucks, unfortunately.
Sidenote - Kenny's hair gets cooler with each event.
Kenny is Canadian and grew up watching Japanese tapes and is ridiculously engrossed into the Japanese culture. Bucks I one hundred percent see going as long as they retain their creativ control and get a high % share of their merch, but Kenny I can see wanting to stay for a really long time and then maybe, maybe, do a Sting in WWE-like run before retiring.
I know most of those guys prefer the indie schedule, but I can't imagine any American wrestler not wanting to make their mark in WWE at some point. Adam Cole is probably next though. We will be waiting years for the Young Bucks, unfortunately.
Sidenote - Kenny's hair gets cooler with each event.
Kenny is Canadian and grew up watching Japanese tapes and is ridiculously engrossed into the Japanese culture. Bucks I one hundred percent see going as long as they retain their creativ control and get a high % share of their merch, but Kenny I can see wanting to stay for a really long time and then maybe, maybe, do a Sting in WWE-like run before retiring.
North American? Close enough. It would have to be on his terms and detour NXT. But to my original point, I don't see how in the industry could avoid that temptation forever. Though wwe can't properly cast the talent they have atm.
