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I hate positive spins like the "energy" one laid out above.
What do you mean? Someone who recharges by being alone is an introvert, someone who is energized by being around people is an extrovert. It's not a hard and fast rule, but that's more or less the common definition. If I'm around groups of people for too long, I become restless and it eventually gives way to exhaustion - I need to be alone at some point. For other people, they get restless and cabin fever sets in pretty quickly so they have to find people in order to recharge. I actually tend to think of myself as an ambivert - sometimes groups of people energize me, depending on who I'm with - but overall I find solace in solitude. I don't know what you mean by this being a positive spin; this is exactly who I am and I'm comfortable with that.
I completely agree with the concept of exchange of emotional energy through interaction. But "recharging" is about balance, so I like your use of the word "ambivert". Like Yin & Yang, right?, the ultimate goal is balance.
It is human nature to crave this interaction (like a drug: addicting highs and dreary lows). Introverted people want to be extroverted, not the other way around. Introversion is like a defense mechanism where a person shuts down so they don't have to deal. It is negative energy. An example anyone can relate to: "cool kids" vs. "Columbine kids". Not dealing is a bad thing.
What do you mean? Someone who recharges by being alone is an introvert, someone who is energized by being around people is an extrovert. It's not a hard and fast rule, but that's more or less the common definition. If I'm around groups of people for too long, I become restless and it eventually gives way to exhaustion - I need to be alone at some point. For other people, they get restless and cabin fever sets in pretty quickly so they have to find people in order to recharge. I actually tend to think of myself as an ambivert - sometimes groups of people energize me, depending on who I'm with - but overall I find solace in solitude. I don't know what you mean by this being a positive spin; this is exactly who I am and I'm comfortable with that.
I completely agree with the concept of exchange of emotional energy through interaction. But "recharging" is about balance, so I like your use of the word "ambivert". Like Yin & Yang, right?, the ultimate goal is balance.
It is human nature to crave this interaction (like a drug: addicting highs and dreary lows). Introverted people want to be extroverted, not the other way around. Introversion is like a defense mechanism where a person shuts down so they don't have to deal. It is negative energy. An example anyone can relate to: "cool kids" vs. "Columbine kids". Not dealing is a bad thing.
I am perfectly happy being an introvert and can't say I appreciate your negative energy in that post. I have absolutely no desire to be an extrovert, I enjoy time spent by myself just as much as I enjoy time spent with others not just to recharge but to think about things. If I were you I'd take a few minutes alone to think about the fact that you just compared a massive subsect of the world to school shooters.
I completely agree with the concept of exchange of emotional energy through interaction. But "recharging" is about balance, so I like your use of the word "ambivert". Like Yin & Yang, right?, the ultimate goal is balance.
It is human nature to crave this interaction (like a drug: addicting highs and dreary lows). Introverted people want to be extroverted, not the other way around. Introversion is like a defense mechanism where a person shuts down so they don't have to deal. It is negative energy. An example anyone can relate to: "cool kids" vs. "Columbine kids". Not dealing is a bad thing.
I am perfectly happy being an introvert and can't say I appreciate your negative energy in that post. I have absolutely no desire to be an extrovert, I enjoy time spent by myself just as much as I enjoy time spent with others not just to recharge but to think about things. If I were you I'd take a few minutes alone to think about the fact that you just compared a massive subsect of the world to school shooters.
Point taken. My apologies for offending. I guess this is more a matter of perspective and opinion. I also don't really believe that you want to be "alone". By your own words, you also seek balance...thus Jaz 's "ambivert". But please, I have no intentions of labeling anyone. You're clearly confident in who you are.
What do you mean? Someone who recharges by being alone is an introvert, someone who is energized by being around people is an extrovert. It's not a hard and fast rule, but that's more or less the common definition. If I'm around groups of people for too long, I become restless and it eventually gives way to exhaustion - I need to be alone at some point. For other people, they get restless and cabin fever sets in pretty quickly so they have to find people in order to recharge. I actually tend to think of myself as an ambivert - sometimes groups of people energize me, depending on who I'm with - but overall I find solace in solitude. I don't know what you mean by this being a positive spin; this is exactly who I am and I'm comfortable with that.
I completely agree with the concept of exchange of emotional energy through interaction. But "recharging" is about balance, so I like your use of the word "ambivert". Like Yin & Yang, right?, the ultimate goal is balance.
It is human nature to crave this interaction (like a drug: addicting highs and dreary lows). Introverted people want to be extroverted, not the other way around. Introversion is like a defense mechanism where a person shuts down so they don't have to deal. It is negative energy. An example anyone can relate to: "cool kids" vs. "Columbine kids". Not dealing is a bad thing.
You are absolutely 100% wrong. Introversion is not the same thing as being antisocial or asocial. Introverts can be and often are outgoing, social, and engaged with those around them. Introversion is in no way in itself pathological.
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Post by palmettokid on May 23, 2014 14:53:15 GMT -5
Just to get out in front of the apparent upcoming stoning (no pun intended), please don't confuse your definition of introvert with mine. To me, the introvert is the one who locks himself/herself in a room and refuses to cope. If you're reading this...I'm pretty sure you're coping. It is called, after all, "Social Media".
What do you mean? Someone who recharges by being alone is an introvert, someone who is energized by being around people is an extrovert. It's not a hard and fast rule, but that's more or less the common definition. If I'm around groups of people for too long, I become restless and it eventually gives way to exhaustion - I need to be alone at some point. For other people, they get restless and cabin fever sets in pretty quickly so they have to find people in order to recharge. I actually tend to think of myself as an ambivert - sometimes groups of people energize me, depending on who I'm with - but overall I find solace in solitude. I don't know what you mean by this being a positive spin; this is exactly who I am and I'm comfortable with that.
I completely agree with the concept of exchange of emotional energy through interaction. But "recharging" is about balance, so I like your use of the word "ambivert". Like Yin & Yang, right?, the ultimate goal is balance.
It is human nature to crave this interaction (like a drug: addicting highs and dreary lows). Introverted people want to be extroverted, not the other way around. Introversion is like a defense mechanism where a person shuts down so they don't have to deal. It is negative energy. An example anyone can relate to: "cool kids" vs. "Columbine kids". Not dealing is a bad thing.
You speak with the mouth of a thousand white-hot lies.
I forgive you, but try not to tell people what they want, how they feel, or why they are doing something - especially something so closely tied to an individual's personality - don't do it twice when you know nothing about them.
Just to get out in front of the apparent upcoming stoning (no pun intended), please don't confuse your definition of introvert with mine. To me, the introvert is the one who locks himself/herself in a room and refuses to cope. If you're reading this...I'm pretty sure you're coping. It is called, after all, "Social Media".
Just to get out in front of the apparent upcoming stoning (no pun intended), please don't confuse your definition of introvert with mine. To me, the introvert is the one who locks himself/herself in a room and refuses to cope. If you're reading this...I'm pretty sure you're coping. It is called, after all, "Social Media".
My point is that your definition is fundamentally wrong. It's not a "this is my opinion, this is yours" type of deal. If you think that all introverts are people who lock themselves in their room as a defense mechanism, then you do, quite simply, not have the slightest clue what you're talking about. I mean, if you want to stick your head in the sand and refuse to use the same language and definitions that the rest of the world use, that's your choice. There are many people who enjoy living in ignorance without regards for other people. But if you want to learn and grow as a person and admit when you're wrong...well that's up to you.
What do you mean? Someone who recharges by being alone is an introvert, someone who is energized by being around people is an extrovert. It's not a hard and fast rule, but that's more or less the common definition. If I'm around groups of people for too long, I become restless and it eventually gives way to exhaustion - I need to be alone at some point. For other people, they get restless and cabin fever sets in pretty quickly so they have to find people in order to recharge. I actually tend to think of myself as an ambivert - sometimes groups of people energize me, depending on who I'm with - but overall I find solace in solitude. I don't know what you mean by this being a positive spin; this is exactly who I am and I'm comfortable with that.
I completely agree with the concept of exchange of emotional energy through interaction. But "recharging" is about balance, so I like your use of the word "ambivert". Like Yin & Yang, right?, the ultimate goal is balance.
It is human nature to crave this interaction (like a drug: addicting highs and dreary lows). Introverted people want to be extroverted, not the other way around. Introversion is like a defense mechanism where a person shuts down so they don't have to deal. It is negative energy. An example anyone can relate to: "cool kids" vs. "Columbine kids". Not dealing is a bad thing.
"Introverted people want to be extroverted, not the other way around.", is not always true. Same with your definition of "Introversion".
Great inventions were created by introverts. Extroverts took it forward (sales, marketing?). Don't go by the old definition of Introvert/Introversion. It has evolved.
I completely agree with the concept of exchange of emotional energy through interaction. But "recharging" is about balance, so I like your use of the word "ambivert". Like Yin & Yang, right?, the ultimate goal is balance.
It is human nature to crave this interaction (like a drug: addicting highs and dreary lows). Introverted people want to be extroverted, not the other way around. Introversion is like a defense mechanism where a person shuts down so they don't have to deal. It is negative energy. An example anyone can relate to: "cool kids" vs. "Columbine kids". Not dealing is a bad thing.
You are absolutely 100% wrong. Introversion is not the same thing as being antisocial or asocial. Introverts can be and often are outgoing, social, and engaged with those around them. Introversion is in no way in itself pathological.
I have, admittedly, been accused of incorrectly making that distinction in the past. I used to refer to myself as being "anti-social" because I don't necessarily like to be engaged with people. I like the word "cordial". Never been much of dictionary guy, though. Probably why I only scored a 600 Verbal on the SAT.
Maybe someday I'll get around to taking a Psych course. For now I'm just gonna walk away.
Just to get out in front of the apparent upcoming stoning (no pun intended), please don't confuse your definition of introvert with mine. To me, the introvert is the one who locks himself/herself in a room and refuses to cope. If you're reading this...I'm pretty sure you're coping. It is called, after all, "Social Media".
Hey guys - Sorry, hard to keep up. I will bow out and take the advice to do some research. Once again, my apologies. I don't know any of you and am not trying to tag labels. I think we can add this subject to the "no politics, no religion" rule. Eh?
Post by celestiaequestria on May 23, 2014 15:57:32 GMT -5
It's pretty important to put a clear line between "introvert" - a person who has to invest themselves to socially interact - and social disorders (anxiety, borderline personality, aspergers, etc). An introvert "doesn't interact" because they have a rich inner-life, they tend to ignore outside sensory data that isn't immediately relevant.
I've spent most of my life with multiple "mes" in my head, simultaneously having multiple lines-of-thought, and not necessarily "experiencing" a linear / chronological flow because different thoughts finish at different rates. I find people genuinely interesting and worthwhile, but at any given moment I'm not necessarily present in a complete sense, and when I am, it's too intense for many people. "What are you thinking about?". "The co-evolution of berry-producing bushes and seed-scattering birds, mitochondrial DNA, the evolution of sound as a sense, musical texture and hobbies that become more enjoyable with age, you?"
- I mean, for example:
I had an hour conversation yesterday about the philosophical implications of a teleporter. At one end, the person's body is scanned and then destroyed. At the other end, their body is recreated in an identical state. Our current definition of "death" requires a change in state / functionality, so the person never "dies", but in a real sense, they do, the second they step into the teleporter. From a practical perspective, nothing changes, the person continues, they'll claim to be who they are, have all the thoughts, behavior and memory of the original. In fact, you'd have a strange form of immortality, since you could store the imaging every time someone teleported, and have the teleporter create a new one should something happen to the original.
Death requires a loss of self, and while there is a break in consciousness that occurs, it's no different from the break that occurs during anesthesia, sleep, or even losing a train-of-thought. We came to the conclusion that society would just ignore the philosophical implications and would use teleporters because the convenience would make the existential dilemma a secondary concern. There's be no way of proving that the "soul"(singular line of "entity existence") continued to the new body, or if we were creating multiple, separate lives / entities. The fact that we could have more than one person come out of the other end also came up, but that's really just a quantum state - at one point you would effectively have the same consciousness in multiple bodies, but since their biological minds would be in different bodies, they would (by the reality of not being able to be positioned in identical space / receive identical sensory information) be closely-related people that differentiated over time.
A certain kind of person will go through every variant of the thought exercise ("what if we held them in a buffer for a week, then spawned the new body?" "What if we didn't destroy the original, and just created the new self on the other end?" "What state are they in during the inbetween time?" "How could you verify that the process was painless, since the new self is created from memories before the point the old body is destroyed?") but really most people don't want to work through a Theseus' paradox variant while they're getting their morning coffee.
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FWIW, I feel festivals are appealing to intellectual introverts because they remove the arbitrary guidelines of "normal" social interaction. I'm not reading a person and looking for the type of small talk ("how are the kids?", "how's the weather?", "got a vacation planned?") that will pleasant for them as a considerate conversationalist, I'm looking at people and engaging how they think and trying to understand their individual thought process.
There's also just less outside distraction - no work, no project deadlines, no phone calls, no internet - so it's more of an "in-the-moment" experience. I'm also wholly invested in the sensory experience of the festival. The whole "energy" concept is just a simplified way of saying that introverts have an opportunity cost to interacting with people, that is, we're pulling mental processing power away from an inner "world".
palmettokid, forgive me for being feisty earlier. Psychology is a big passion of mine (bigger than music, even), and the type of thinking you were displaying earlier ultimately is a detriment to introverts, because defining our inherent traits as something pathological or abnormal makes it even more difficult for us to feel accepted in a society that highly values extroversion (after all, while it may be my responsibility to accept myself, it's certainly easier when other people accept me as well, you know?). In a sense, your line of thought works against your own credo of "be comfortable with who you are". Mental illness is greatly stigmatized, and that's something I work hard to fight. However, earlier I was not speaking with the breadth of view that I am now, and I attacked you personally for something you didn't know any better about - and that's on me. I know you had no ill intent, but was not keeping that in mind with my replies. I'm still learning how to be an activist without being too self-righteous, and sometimes I fail miserably at that lol. Anywho, I'm sorry, and I hope you have a fantastic Roo.
That is actually a really good idea, think if we got 10 people to meet the space for camping would be unbelievable. If someone organizes it, I would certainly participate.
This! This is my second time going in alone, but the first time in '09 I volunteered, so I wasn't truly 'solo' because they threw myself and 4 others into a 'camp' together so we had plenty of room. I usually go with 3-4 other people, but we are all local, so we can all drive separately to maximize our camping space. The one thing I am worried about this year is just having one car's worth of space, so I'm definitely down to meet up with some folks to have a good-size camp. I'll be bring an EZ-up, small tent, table, chairs, radio, 3 coolers, and other random things, but I about have my camp down to a science (9th 'Roo overall). I plan on going in Thursday morning between 10:00-12:00, and will hopefully end up in one of the Star Wars camps (been there the past 2 years going in at that time). Let's do this!
Seth, take the lead and tell people where to meet and let's get this done. Somewhere on the back road that runs parallel to 75 around 11:00 works perfect for me. I've gone that way the last 3 years and driven right in and been camped withing a 10 minute walk.
All of this has already been said but I will say it anyway. Introverted and anti-social are not the same thing. An Introvert can be very social and and extrovert can be anti-social. It has more to do with what effect that social interaction has on the person than their willingness or desire to have social interaction.
This! This is my second time going in alone, but the first time in '09 I volunteered, so I wasn't truly 'solo' because they threw myself and 4 others into a 'camp' together so we had plenty of room. I usually go with 3-4 other people, but we are all local, so we can all drive separately to maximize our camping space. The one thing I am worried about this year is just having one car's worth of space, so I'm definitely down to meet up with some folks to have a good-size camp. I'll be bring an EZ-up, small tent, table, chairs, radio, 3 coolers, and other random things, but I about have my camp down to a science (9th 'Roo overall). I plan on going in Thursday morning between 10:00-12:00, and will hopefully end up in one of the Star Wars camps (been there the past 2 years going in at that time). Let's do this!
Seth, take the lead and tell people where to meet and let's get this done. Somewhere on the back road that runs parallel to 75 around 11:00 works perfect for me. I've gone that way the last 3 years and driven right in and been camped withing a 10 minute walk.
Yes! We need someone local to tell us where to meet up, because I am clueless.
Post by palmettokid on May 23, 2014 21:34:55 GMT -5
I just got in. Gonna crash and get back to you in the a.m. I will say that I spent some time reading up on this and it is clear to me that you had me a disadvantage on subject matter. I still don't get it completely (pretty vast subject), but hey, learn something new every day.
Once again, to all, my sincerest apologies for any offense.
Still waiting on a buddy of mine to see if he can get time off of work otherwise I am riding solo. I have been debating a lot about if it came down to this if I would still go it alone. Last year my friends bailed on me when I was trying to go to Electric Zoo and now this year the same thing happened. Maybe I will be better off going alone. Just not looking forward to the 12 hour drive from MI. I am way social though so I know once I am there I will have no regrets........hopefully.
Still waiting on a buddy of mine to see if he can get time off of work otherwise I am riding solo. I have been debating a lot about if it came down to this if I would still go it alone. Last year my friends bailed on me when I was trying to go to Electric Zoo and now this year the same shit happened. Maybe I will be better off going alone. Just not looking forward to the 12 hour drive from MI. I am way social though so I know once I am there I will have no regrets........hopefully.
Go without them. If you aren't looking forward to the 12 hour drive (and since you're social), check out one of the ride sharing sites like RickyRides or zimride. You might find a co-pilot for the drive and help someone else get to the farm.
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Still waiting on a buddy of mine to see if he can get time off of work otherwise I am riding solo. I have been debating a lot about if it came down to this if I would still go it alone. Last year my friends bailed on me when I was trying to go to Electric Zoo and now this year the same shit happened. Maybe I will be better off going alone. Just not looking forward to the 12 hour drive from MI. I am way social though so I know once I am there I will have no regrets........hopefully.
Go without them. If you aren't looking forward to the 12 hour drive (and since you're social), check out one of the ride sharing sites like RickyRides or zimride. You might find a co-pilot for the drive and help someone else get to the farm.
Yeah I am definitely driving my own ride but have no problem giving someone else a lift. Ha I only can rock two people and gear considering I drive a 2-door chevy cobalt so space is limited. But the more I read on here and reddit the closer I am to buying my wristband regardless of my buddy.
I plan on going in around 9:00-10:00 Thrusday morning through the West Bushy Branch toll booth. I've done this the past few years and ended up in the Star Wars camp with about a 10-minute walk to centeroo. There is a Walgreens at the corner of Hillsboro Blvd and McArthur Street we could meet up at, or a Rite Aid right across the street. I feel that is a good spot to meet because it is really close to where the line of cars will be to get in.
Post by lindsaymachine on May 27, 2014 21:27:56 GMT -5
I am going alone this year. Last year I drove up alone from louisiana by myself and met up with some friends from my college years in Kansas. We were mostly separate, we shared food and morning chats about our previous day's activities. This year they are not going, and I'm driving alone from Florida. It would be awesome if I could find someone to carpool with, or meet up and camp with before hand, but I'm not letting it stop me from having a ball!
Post by aerosoul760 on May 27, 2014 22:34:39 GMT -5
My friend totally bailed on me, leaving me with the RV rental and gas costs up to me. Im flying alone from CA to OKC on tuesday, picking up the RV first thing wednesday and heading to Manchester. I have restrictions on the mileage so I cant go too far out of the way but if your on my way no prob, any gas $ will help. I also already have my RV pass, RV sleeps five, plus I can have tents outside my space. If anyone is interested in sharing my RV/space and helping me with the cost it would help me out tremendously. First time roo'er here and Im not backing out...cheers!
It's pretty important to put a clear line between "introvert" - a person who has to invest themselves to socially interact - and social disorders (anxiety, borderline personality, aspergers, etc). An introvert "doesn't interact" because they have a rich inner-life, they tend to ignore outside sensory data that isn't immediately relevant.
I've spent most of my life with multiple "mes" in my head, simultaneously having multiple lines-of-thought, and not necessarily "experiencing" a linear / chronological flow because different thoughts finish at different rates. I find people genuinely interesting and worthwhile, but at any given moment I'm not necessarily present in a complete sense, and when I am, it's too intense for many people. "What are you thinking about?". "The co-evolution of berry-producing bushes and seed-scattering birds, mitochondrial DNA, the evolution of sound as a sense, musical texture and hobbies that become more enjoyable with age, you?"
- I mean, for example:
I had an hour conversation yesterday about the philosophical implications of a teleporter. At one end, the person's body is scanned and then destroyed. At the other end, their body is recreated in an identical state. Our current definition of "death" requires a change in state / functionality, so the person never "dies", but in a real sense, they do, the second they step into the teleporter. From a practical perspective, nothing changes, the person continues, they'll claim to be who they are, have all the thoughts, behavior and memory of the original. In fact, you'd have a strange form of immortality, since you could store the imaging every time someone teleported, and have the teleporter create a new one should something happen to the original.
Death requires a loss of self, and while there is a break in consciousness that occurs, it's no different from the break that occurs during anesthesia, sleep, or even losing a train-of-thought. We came to the conclusion that society would just ignore the philosophical implications and would use teleporters because the convenience would make the existential dilemma a secondary concern. There's be no way of proving that the "soul"(singular line of "entity existence") continued to the new body, or if we were creating multiple, separate lives / entities. The fact that we could have more than one person come out of the other end also came up, but that's really just a quantum state - at one point you would effectively have the same consciousness in multiple bodies, but since their biological minds would be in different bodies, they would (by the reality of not being able to be positioned in identical space / receive identical sensory information) be closely-related people that differentiated over time.
A certain kind of person will go through every variant of the thought exercise ("what if we held them in a buffer for a week, then spawned the new body?" "What if we didn't destroy the original, and just created the new self on the other end?" "What state are they in during the inbetween time?" "How could you verify that the process was painless, since the new self is created from memories before the point the old body is destroyed?") but really most people don't want to work through a Theseus' paradox variant while they're getting their morning coffee.
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FWIW, I feel festivals are appealing to intellectual introverts because they remove the arbitrary guidelines of "normal" social interaction. I'm not reading a person and looking for the type of small talk ("how are the kids?", "how's the weather?", "got a vacation planned?") that will pleasant for them as a considerate conversationalist, I'm looking at people and engaging how they think and trying to understand their individual thought process.
There's also just less outside distraction - no work, no project deadlines, no phone calls, no internet - so it's more of an "in-the-moment" experience. I'm also wholly invested in the sensory experience of the festival. The whole "energy" concept is just a simplified way of saying that introverts have an opportunity cost to interacting with people, that is, we're pulling mental processing power away from an inner "world".
Now I'm an extrovert who wishes she were an introvert
Seth, take the lead and tell people where to meet and let's get this done. Somewhere on the back road that runs parallel to 75 around 11:00 works perfect for me. I've gone that way the last 3 years and driven right in and been camped withing a 10 minute walk.
Yes! We need someone local to tell us where to meet up, because I am clueless.
So, what time are y'all planning on getting to Manchester/going in to the farm? Like I said earlier, I feel sometime before noon will get us a good spot, probably around the Star Wars camps...
