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The power outages suck, but I kind of get it? I use to do a lot of work for the utility and this is historically the time of year when lines get taken out for service and upgrades (to prevent just this from happening in the summer). It’s just not typical to have this much demand.
Also, though. I don’t know why heat is as taxing on the grid? Don’t most homes use gas to heat? You just need to electric to run it?
Tesla is actually building and has built some energy storage sites. I got to visit one under construction last week. The idea is they tie a ton of batteries to the grid and charge them in off peak hours, then sell power back to the utility when demand is high.
The power outages suck, but I kind of get it? I use to do a lot of work for the utility and this is historically the time of year when lines get taken out for service and upgrades (to prevent just this from happening in the summer). It’s just not typical to have this much demand.
Also, though. I don’t know why heat is as taxing on the grid? Don’t most homes use gas to heat? You just need to electric to run it?
I read somewhere a lot of the windmills froze, not sure how true it is but still without power.
The power outages suck, but I kind of get it? I use to do a lot of work for the utility and this is historically the time of year when lines get taken out for service and upgrades (to prevent just this from happening in the summer). It’s just not typical to have this much demand.
Also, though. I don’t know why heat is as taxing on the grid? Don’t most homes use gas to heat? You just need to electric to run it?
I read somewhere a lot of the windmills froze, not sure how true it is but still without power.
Some of the diminished supply is due to windmills freezing but way more of it is because of issues with natural gas.
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Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
We went to a friends' house who has power. Erin is off somewhere downstairs checking out their dogs, who seem to be friendly. I'm of no use to her now.
Damn Texas is an even more extreme example of Not Prepared for Winter Storm Mayhem than when we get that shit here (central NC). A few inches of snow knocks us over for at least a couple days usually unless it melts super quickly, even though most winters (this one being an exception) we do get a snow or two of that measurable amount. But snow and this cold of temperatures in Austin and Houston... prime example of how climate change doesn't only show its impacts through warmer temps!!
Meanwhile, we've had the most piss poor excuse of a winter here: cold at times but always just with damn RAIN. Had a trace of snow a few weeks ago that melted by that same afternoon.
Give me white fluffy snow or give me spring.
While I agree that there are a lot of aspects of climate change that can show up in altered patterns across the planet, this is not an unprecedented event. I would caution anyone not to immediately run to climate change as a reason for this cold arctic outbreak. That simply ignores semi-recent history.
I'm "immediately running to climate change as a reason" because while although some cold spells cause by polar vortexes can be natural/not related to climate change, there actually is science to demonstrate the connection.
Peer-reviewed climate papers have spoken to how as the Arctic is getting warmer and warmer (and it IS, at an unprecendented rate), the polar vortex phenomenon tends to push further and further south (read: Texas).
Human-caused climate change can weaken the jet stream--currents of wind that flow east to west along the borders of hot and cold air--which causes these massive dips in temp.
Also, to quote a climate scientist who was mentioned in the latest newsletter from Heated (a climate change centric Substack I'm subscribed to): "All weather events are affected by climate change because the environment in which they occur is warmer and moister than it used to be.”
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I wasn't disagreeing with you or even trying to be snarky about it if that's how it came off (my bad if so). I think you said you thought it was a prime example. To me it was something we hadn't seen in a while in Texas (and the Gulf Coast) but wasn't really super rare considering it was the 3rd time in the last 38 years to have a similar cold pattern. I was wondering if you were pointing to something specific you had read or seen on the outbreak. I know that the last 2 times it happened to this extent (1983 and 1989), we were in a -/negative AMO whereas 2021 continues (26th year) +AMO which is the warmer multi-decadal phase of the Atlantic. So that was different than it was back then. Both of those outbreaks were around Christmas, so this was delayed 45 days or so from those. I also knew we were in MJO Phase 7 which is a slightly warmer phase in February than what turned out with the way the amplification occurred. Not to be overly technical, but we knew we were in for a very cold period in the middle of February by the stratospheric warming that occurred a few weeks ago over the Arctic. It was inevitable as the coming Pacific dominated air will take over down here over the next couple weeks as the stratosphere cooled in response.
I learned cycles, patterns, telegraphs and teleconnections enough that I'll have an educated guess on short-term and mid-term weather. I haven't come to grips on how man-made climate change is affecting shorter term events at a local or regional levels. Some patterns are slower in places, faster in others. Some oceanic heat content is distributed differently than it has been in the past. I'm just not educated enough to know the chicken and eggs or what's natural and where man's shitty approach to exploitation of the planet comes into play beyond longer-term issues. Again, I feel bad if that other post came off as me being a dick rather than just saying/cautioning there were some similarities and differences from recent, similar cold events.
I wasn't disagreeing with you or even trying to be snarky about it if that's how it came off (my bad if so). I think you said you thought it was a prime example. To me it was something we hadn't seen in a while in Texas (and the Gulf Coast) but wasn't really super rare considering it was the 3rd time in the last 38 years to have a similar cold pattern. I was wondering if you were pointing to something specific you had read or seen on the outbreak. I know that the last 2 times it happened to this extent (1983 and 1989), we were in a -/negative AMO whereas 2021 continues (26th year) +AMO which is the warmer multi-decadal phase of the Atlantic. So that was different than it was back then. Both of those outbreaks were around Christmas, so this was delayed 45 days or so from those. I also knew we were in MJO Phase 7 which is a slightly warmer phase in February than what turned out with the way the amplification occurred. Not to be overly technical, but we knew we were in for a very cold period in the middle of February by the stratospheric warming that occurred a few weeks ago over the Arctic. It was inevitable as the coming Pacific dominated air will take over down here over the next couple weeks as the stratosphere cooled in response.
I learned cycles, patterns, telegraphs and teleconnections enough that I'll have an educated guess on short-term and mid-term weather. I haven't come to grips on how man-made climate change is affecting shorter term events at a local or regional levels. Some patterns are slower in places, faster in others. Some oceanic heat content is distributed differently than it has been in the past. I'm just not educated enough to know the chicken and eggs or what's natural and where man's shitty approach to exploitation of the planet comes into play beyond longer-term issues. Again, I feel bad if that other post came off as me being a dick rather than just saying/cautioning there were some similarities and differences from recent, similar cold events.
No worries--I did read it as a little snarky, but over the internet, tone is hard to read! My bad
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I think Esteban's been to more meteorology conferences than I have...
Also it's currently 47 degrees here.
Lol. It’s probably something I should have studied. But I’m no good with physics or spacial reasoning. So shit like fluid air motion only makes sense to me at a kindergarten level. I learned most of what I know from following the pro mets and smart people on storm2k during hurricane seasons. I’m better when it comes to that stuff than winters because we really don’t have much of winters here (especially the last few years). Sure it gets cold sometimes, but it usually bounces back quickly.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
didn't have power for about 10 hrs, but new build did very well keeping the temp moderate. inside never got below 60, attic was around 40 when I went in it. did a water meter check and didn't have any leaks this afternoon. might break down and turn off the water finally, but if the powers on idk if I'll need to
The power outages suck, but I kind of get it? I use to do a lot of work for the utility and this is historically the time of year when lines get taken out for service and upgrades (to prevent just this from happening in the summer). It’s just not typical to have this much demand.
Also, though. I don’t know why heat is as taxing on the grid? Don’t most homes use gas to heat? You just need to electric to run it?
A lot of homes in Texas heat their homes electrically, not through heat pumps. Gas was being diverted to heating first and there was not enough to meet the electric demand.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Yeah we got an ice storm last night so now according to austin energy “those without power can expect to remain without power through Wednesday and possibly longer”.
And instead of saying all of your goodbyes - let them know you realize that life goes fast - It's hard to make the good things last-you realize the sun doesn't go down - It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning round
Yeah we got an ice storm last night so now according to austin energy “those without power can expect to remain without power through Wednesday and possibly longer”.
Yeah they’re telling us Thursday in DFW. Don’t have running water either right now.
Supposedly our power came back last night and still is on. Going home this afternoon after a little bit of a thaw, hopefully. It's raining now and starting to melt the ice, but still only 33 degrees. Supposed to warm to 37 or 38 degrees by sometime this afternoon.