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The way you talk about it, you make it seem like there aren't people that like both rock and dance music. I also heavily disagree that music you can dance to can't also be lyrically deep and emotional.
Of course, there are people who like both. I see their posts here.
But if you're trying to be a musically diverse fest, something like Bonnaroo, Jr., then be a musically diverse fest. And if you're trying to be a more specialized fest like Electric Daisy Carnival or Riot Fest or Newport Folk Fest, then be that. But be clear about what you are in your marketing, so people can make blind early bird purchases or not, based upon where you place yourself in the market.
Had I known that a festival which has had acts like My Morning Jacket, The Replacements, Alabama Shakes, The Decemberists, and Neutral Milk Hotel in their top two lines would deliver this group of headliners, I probably wouldn't have gone for the early bird. But there was no heads up that this is what would happen, especially after a rather diverse group of three headliners last September.
Exactly! One of the main problems with Boston Calling is that it's struggling to find its own identity - the lineups have been so drastically different from each other. This lineup doesn't even feel like the same festival as last Spring, which had The quacking Pixies, Beck, My Morning Jacket, Tenacious D and Tame Impala. What kind of festival is Boston Calling trying to be, and who are they trying to cater to?
Regardless, I hope those who enjoy the lineup have fun! It's just not my cup of tea, but I won't knock anyone who likes this lineup.
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Of course, there are people who like both. I see their posts here.
But if you're trying to be a musically diverse fest, something like Bonnaroo, Jr., then be a musically diverse fest. And if you're trying to be a more specialized fest like Electric Daisy Carnival or Riot Fest or Newport Folk Fest, then be that. But be clear about what you are in your marketing, so people can make blind early bird purchases or not, based upon where you place yourself in the market.
Had I known that a festival which has had acts like My Morning Jacket, The Replacements, Alabama Shakes, The Decemberists, and Neutral Milk Hotel in their top two lines would deliver this group of headliners, I probably wouldn't have gone for the early bird. But there was no heads up that this is what would happen, especially after a rather diverse group of three headliners last September.
Exactly! One of the main problems with Boston Calling is that it's struggling to find its own identity - the lineups have been so drastically different from each other. This lineup doesn't even feel like the same festival as last Spring, which had The quacking Pixies, Beck, My Morning Jacket, Tenacious D and Tame Impala. What kind of festival is Boston Calling trying to be, and who are they trying to cater to?
Regardless, I hope those who enjoy the lineup have fun! It's just not my cup of tea, but I won't knock anyone who likes this lineup.
But last May also had Marina and the Diamonds, Tove Lo, MØ, Gerard Way, Run the Jewels, Vance Joy, ILoveMakonnen, Halsey, and was supposed to have Chet Faker. I agree that one more diverse headliner would have been good. But BC has always put together rather diverse lineups and I'd say that's their identity. There's been no May or September fest that's had a cohesively themed lineup. They'll never have something that looks as solid as Shaky Knees or Newport because they're trying to just present as much different types of music as they can.
Of course, there are people who like both. I see their posts here.
But if you're trying to be a musically diverse fest, something like Bonnaroo, Jr., then be a musically diverse fest. And if you're trying to be a more specialized fest like Electric Daisy Carnival or Riot Fest or Newport Folk Fest, then be that. But be clear about what you are in your marketing, so people can make blind early bird purchases or not, based upon where you place yourself in the market.
Had I known that a festival which has had acts like My Morning Jacket, The Replacements, Alabama Shakes, The Decemberists, and Neutral Milk Hotel in their top two lines would deliver this group of headliners, I probably wouldn't have gone for the early bird. But there was no heads up that this is what would happen, especially after a rather diverse group of three headliners last September.
If you are that upset about it, sell me your tickets at early bird price.
Let's talk when the tickets arrive and the daily lineups have been announced. I'm open to it, especially if the acts in which I have some interest are more or less all on the same day and I'd save money by getting a one day pass instead.
That might be fair if "rockists" were calling for six strings, Marshall amps, and nothing else.
A lot of rockists also dig rap and country and soul. We just don't care for dance pop, EDM, disco, whatever you call it.
The schism is between what you look for in music and want to get out of the listening and concertgoing experience. People who enjoy dance pop/EDM are looking for a carefree, celebratory experience when they listen to music. They want to dance.
Others prefer to listen to music as a way to confront their deepest feelings and get a measure of emotional catharsis from the experience. I want to hear songs that remind me of the girls who got away, my mentally ill late mother, my shattered hopes and dreams, the compromises which come with age, and whatever light I can find in the distance. I want to have a good cry when I listen to an album or go to a show.
With 23 acts, there's room for all of the above, you know? You could drop two of the four dance acts at the top of the bill and replace them with two rock or alt-country performers, and EVERYBODY would be happy. What's wrong with that?
I do agree that I could have done with one or two more big name rock/folk/whatever acts. But I'm going to enjoy the hell out of myself both in a cathartic and and joyful way. I mean if you think "Chandelier" is a happy dance track, you aren't paying attention. But for non-pop/dance, if that's what you're after, you've got Sufjan, Haim, City and Colour, Courtney Barnett, Elle King, The Front Bottoms, Charles Bradley, The Vaccines, Battles, Unknown Mortal Orchestra, and Palehound. The only thing I get is headliners, where they chose four artists that play in two genres. Replace Disclosure with The Strokes or Odesza with Ryan Adams and this lineup would be an A+ instead of an A.
Fair points, although I'll disagree with you on UMO. I just checked out their Multi-Love on YouTube and it was very pop to my ears.
There are around 14 acts I've got some interest in seeing, but not a single one which I'm really excited about. It would be nice if there was one.
Post by theeimportance on Jan 14, 2016 18:11:47 GMT -5
There's this fest called Newport Folk Festival that might interest you.
Sarcasm aside, it's not like Boston doesn't get tons of those types of acts touring through here. There's enough variety in this line up to please most people. Both of last year's fests were totally filled with that type of music anyway so this is a nice change of pace.
Plus if Sufjan ain't crying music I don't know what it is.
There's this fest called Newport Folk Festival that might interest you.
Sarcasm aside, it's not like Boston doesn't get tons of those types of acts touring through here. There's enough variety in this line up to please most people. Both of last year's fests were totally filled with that type of music anyway so this is a nice change of pace.
Plus if Sufjan ain't crying music I don't know what it is.
Going to Newport would be a dream come true. Sadly, I don't own a car and can't afford the upscale hotels right in town. Those with transportation can stay more cheaply within a half-hour drive, but if you take a bus to Newport, you're stuck in town with the priciest rooms this side of midtown Manhattan.
Sufjan? He's cool, but I want to hear the songwriters with whom I resonate profoundly, not who the critics or crowds say I'm supposed to like. My tastes are diverse enough that I should hit on at least one out of 23 acts each edition.
There's this fest called Newport Folk Festival that might interest you.
Sarcasm aside, it's not like Boston doesn't get tons of those types of acts touring through here. There's enough variety in this line up to please most people. Both of last year's fests were totally filled with that type of music anyway so this is a nice change of pace.
Plus if Sufjan ain't crying music I don't know what it is.
Going to Newport would be a dream come true. Sadly, I don't own a car and can't afford the upscale hotels right in town. Those with transportation can stay more cheaply within a half-hour drive, but if you take a bus to Newport, you're stuck in town with the priciest rooms this side of midtown Manhattan.
Sufjan? He's cool, but I want to hear the songwriters with whom I resonate profoundly, not who the critics or crowds say I'm supposed to like. My tastes are diverse enough that I should hit on at least one out of 23 acts each edition.
Very fair. Obviously if you don't resonate with the artist you don't resonate them. But the issue with the lineup is not lack of diversity or lack of emotionally compelling or lyrically interesting artists. It's just a lack of artists you like, which is fine.
EDIT: I know this is what you were saying to begin with. Not what others were saying though
There's this fest called Newport Folk Festival that might interest you.
Sarcasm aside, it's not like Boston doesn't get tons of those types of acts touring through here. There's enough variety in this line up to please most people. Both of last year's fests were totally filled with that type of music anyway so this is a nice change of pace.
Plus if Sufjan ain't crying music I don't know what it is.
Of course, most every touring act comes to Boston. The catch is that ticket prices run up if you go to a lot of shows.
Festivals are an ideal way to see those bands other than your top favorites on whom you'll always spend money for tickets when they come to town. As mixed as I've been about all of the lineups to date, if I get seven artists whom I like to some degree, that works out to a very reasonable $20 per band on an early bird three day pass.
I just keep hoping for the eighth, ninth, and tenth acts to my liking (Honestly, I want a few acts to skip, so I can sit down somewhere for a while or grab a bite to eat.)
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The design firm that did the map posted the entire map on Twitter @knorth_studios
The interesting thing about it is that it turns out that the pieces which people received in the mail had artist names airbrushed out. A lot of the online speculation focused upon the fact that each piece had only four names on it, so what happened to the final seven?
There's this fest called Newport Folk Festival that might interest you.
Sarcasm aside, it's not like Boston doesn't get tons of those types of acts touring through here. There's enough variety in this line up to please most people. Both of last year's fests were totally filled with that type of music anyway so this is a nice change of pace.
Plus if Sufjan ain't crying music I don't know what it is.
Going to Newport would be a dream come true. Sadly, I don't own a car and can't afford the upscale hotels right in town. Those with transportation can stay more cheaply within a half-hour drive, but if you take a bus to Newport, you're stuck in town with the priciest rooms this side of midtown Manhattan.
Sufjan? He's cool, but I want to hear the songwriters with whom I resonate profoundly, not who the critics or crowds say I'm supposed to like. My tastes are diverse enough that I should hit on at least one out of 23 acts each edition.
That's fine if you're not a massive fan of one specific artists on the line up, but there's no need to act like the festival owes you that particular artist. Like cgs299 nicely said the line up is both varied and unique.
Post by setlistvulture on Jan 14, 2016 23:25:45 GMT -5
So to change topics, I just saw the lineup video, and the way they presented it I think the third daily headliner will be Sufjan on top of Sia and Robyn. This how I see/hope the days go
Friday Sufjan Miike Snow Christine and the Queens
Saturday Sia Disclosure Janelle Monae Courtney Barnett Elle King The Vaccines Vince Staples Unknown Mortal Orchestra Palehound Michael Christmas
Sunday Robyn Odesza Haim City and Colour The Front Bottoms Borns Charles Bradley Battles Lisa Hannigan & Aaron Dessner Lizzo
he/they '12 - Firefly '13 - Firefly, Made In America '14 - Firefly, Made In America '15 - Mountain Jam (Sunday), Firefly, Pitchfork, Made In America '16 - Boston Calling, Firefly, Osheaga, Made In America, Roots Picnic NYC '17 - Boston Calling, Gov Ball, Firefly (Sunday), Pitchfork, Day For Night '18 - Boston Calling, Mountain Jam, Osheaga '19 - Form, Firefly (Sunday) '22 - Boston Calling, Firefly '24 - Solid Sound, Soundside
So to change topics, I just saw the lineup video, and the way they presented it I think the third daily headliner will be Sufjan on top of Sia and Robyn. This how I see/hope the days go
Friday Sufjan Miike Snow Christine and the Queens
Saturday Sia Disclosure Janelle Monae Courtney Barnett Elle King The Vaccines Vince Staples Unknown Mortal Orchestra Palehound Michael Christmas
Sunday Robyn Odesza Haim City and Colour The Front Bottoms Borns Charles Bradley Battles Lisa Hannigan & Aaron Dessner Lizzo
It's possible, but every past Friday has been headlined by the first act on the poster. Haven't seen the video though so you may be right.
I can confirm that multiples of each map piece went out. There was one waiting for me at my PO box this morning. There was also a letter from Aaron Dessner which I lightly skimmed. It made references to changes and surprises and such. (I don't have a cell phone or a digital camera -- photography isn't my thing -- so I can't post a copy of it anywhere).
Given the intersection of Grrl Power with international flavor at the May edition, this band would fit in perfectly with the lineup (and bring some much needed guitar crunch):
So to change topics, I just saw the lineup video, and the way they presented it I think the third daily headliner will be Sufjan on top of Sia and Robyn. This how I see/hope the days go
Friday Sufjan Miike Snow Christine and the Queens
Saturday Sia Disclosure Janelle Monae Courtney Barnett Elle King The Vaccines Vince Staples Unknown Mortal Orchestra Palehound Michael Christmas
Sunday Robyn Odesza Haim City and Colour The Front Bottoms Borns Charles Bradley Battles Lisa Hannigan & Aaron Dessner Lizzo
It's possible, but every past Friday has been headlined by the first act on the poster. Haven't seen the video though so you may be right.
This will be my first BC so that's probably more likely if that's the case. I just found it interesting in the lineup video that they revealed Odesza and Disclosure so Early, and then Sia Robyn and Sufjan were all towards the end.
he/they '12 - Firefly '13 - Firefly, Made In America '14 - Firefly, Made In America '15 - Mountain Jam (Sunday), Firefly, Pitchfork, Made In America '16 - Boston Calling, Firefly, Osheaga, Made In America, Roots Picnic NYC '17 - Boston Calling, Gov Ball, Firefly (Sunday), Pitchfork, Day For Night '18 - Boston Calling, Mountain Jam, Osheaga '19 - Form, Firefly (Sunday) '22 - Boston Calling, Firefly '24 - Solid Sound, Soundside
That's fine if you're not a massive fan of one specific artists on the line up, but there's no need to act like the festival owes you that particular artist. Like cgs299 nicely said the line up is both varied and unique.
On the bright side, there's always September!
Absolutely fair comment.
It was just my bad luck to pick Boston when I wanted to move to a big city in the late 80's, without having the precognitive ability to know that festivals would become such a big thing in 20 years and that Boston would end up getting less festival action than other cities of similar size.
When I moved here, every band played Boston on every tour. I moved here with the same certainty that a skier moving to Colorado or deep sea fisherman moving to Florida has: "I'm moving to a place where the thing that I like the most is available and plentiful."
Had I known that festivals would eventually dominate the live music industry and which cities would have the most festival action, I would have moved to a different city back then. (Trust me, in 1988, no one in their right mind could have predicted that Atlanta and Austin would have more and bigger in-town music festivals than Boston.)
This will be my first BC so that's probably more likely if that's the case. I just found it interesting in the lineup video that they revealed Odesza and Disclosure so Early, and then Sia Robyn and Sufjan were all towards the end.
I didn't notice it until the second time I watched the video, but they did all of the artists alphabetically this time (although it varied, with some placed by first name and some placed by last name.)
It wasn't a case of the first three acts being the three headliners, but then again, the first three artists in the Sept 2014 video included Lorde and The Replacements, both of whom ended up being the 2nd line acts on their nights.
With the increasing pop and dance aspect starting last September with the three Europop divas on Saturday, it's interesting to note that last September was the first edition where they changed up their graphic design to include thin, sleek lines, thinner fonts...basically a look which you might find in a fashion magazine.
I wonder if they settled upon an identity last year, perhaps with the intention of transitioning to that new identity within the space of a few editions.
The moment we'll know whether that's true is when the September lineup video goes up on Sunday night. If there's an even stronger emphasis upon pop and electronic music, and even fewer rock artists, we'll know that they've found their identity. Unless, of course, they're going to need a full sales cycle on the May 2016 fest to judge whether this direction sells more tickets than previous editions did. They probably have half of the acts for Sept booked already.
So, maybe it's the May 2017 lineup which will be the real indication as to whether they've settled on the current mix as their fixed identity.
If they settle upon the current mix as the Boston Calling brand they might then end up doing another festival with a different name in Boston to sell tickets to a somewhat older skewing crowd. If BC keeps trending in the current direction, there's going to be room in the market for something which feels like a cross between Newport Folk and Riot Fest. If no one else like LiveNation (who already own a ridiculous number of the big fests) or Bowery Boston step in to fill that need, Crash Line might just do it. After all, General Motors has around five different brands, each designed to appeal to different car buyers.
The same folks run Shaky Knees, Shaky Beats, and Shaky Boots in Atlanta. No reason why Crash Line couldn't do the same here.
With the increasing pop and dance aspect starting last September with the three Europop divas on Saturday, it's interesting to note that last September was the first edition where they changed up their graphic design to include thin, sleek lines, thinner fonts...basically a look which you might find in a fashion magazine.
I wonder if they settled upon an identity last year, perhaps with the intention of transitioning to that new identity within the space of a few editions.
The moment we'll know whether that's true is when the September lineup video goes up on Sunday night. If there's an even stronger emphasis upon pop and electronic music, and even fewer rock artists, we'll know that they've found their identity. Unless, of course, they're going to need a full sales cycle on the May 2016 fest to judge whether this direction sells more tickets than previous editions did. They probably have half of the acts for Sept booked already.
So, maybe it's the May 2017 lineup which will be the real indication as to whether they've settled on the current mix as their fixed identity.
If they settle upon the current mix as the Boston Calling brand they might then end up doing another festival with a different name in Boston to sell tickets to a somewhat older skewing crowd. If BC keeps trending in the current direction, there's going to be room in the market for something which feels like a cross between Newport Folk and Riot Fest. If no one else like LiveNation (who already own a ridiculous number of the big fests) or Bowery Boston step in to fill that need, Crash Line might just do it. After all, General Motors has around five different brands, each designed to appeal to different car buyers.
The same folks run Shaky Knees, Shaky Beats, and Shaky Boots in Atlanta. No reason why Crash Line couldn't do the same here.
With the increasing pop and dance aspect starting last September with the three Europop divas on Saturday, it's interesting to note that last September was the first edition where they changed up their graphic design to include thin, sleek lines, thinner fonts...basically a look which you might find in a fashion magazine.
I wonder if they settled upon an identity last year, perhaps with the intention of transitioning to that new identity within the space of a few editions.
The moment we'll know whether that's true is when the September lineup video goes up on Sunday night. If there's an even stronger emphasis upon pop and electronic music, and even fewer rock artists, we'll know that they've found their identity. Unless, of course, they're going to need a full sales cycle on the May 2016 fest to judge whether this direction sells more tickets than previous editions did. They probably have half of the acts for Sept booked already.
So, maybe it's the May 2017 lineup which will be the real indication as to whether they've settled on the current mix as their fixed identity.
If they settle upon the current mix as the Boston Calling brand they might then end up doing another festival with a different name in Boston to sell tickets to a somewhat older skewing crowd. If BC keeps trending in the current direction, there's going to be room in the market for something which feels like a cross between Newport Folk and Riot Fest. If no one else like LiveNation (who already own a ridiculous number of the big fests) or Bowery Boston step in to fill that need, Crash Line might just do it. After all, General Motors has around five different brands, each designed to appeal to different car buyers.
The same folks run Shaky Knees, Shaky Beats, and Shaky Boots in Atlanta. No reason why Crash Line couldn't do the same here.
No.
Crashline already puts on 3 festivals.
Also the europop singers were last May, which pretty much nullifies your entire argument.
Like I said before, BC's identity is it's diversity. Some lineups might lean more towards the pop and electronic side, and some might lean more rock and folk, but other than headliners, this year isn't much different than past ones.
With the increasing pop and dance aspect starting last September with the three Europop divas on Saturday, it's interesting to note that last September was the first edition where they changed up their graphic design to include thin, sleek lines, thinner fonts...basically a look which you might find in a fashion magazine.
I wonder if they settled upon an identity last year, perhaps with the intention of transitioning to that new identity within the space of a few editions.
The moment we'll know whether that's true is when the September lineup video goes up on Sunday night. If there's an even stronger emphasis upon pop and electronic music, and even fewer rock artists, we'll know that they've found their identity. Unless, of course, they're going to need a full sales cycle on the May 2016 fest to judge whether this direction sells more tickets than previous editions did. They probably have half of the acts for Sept booked already.
So, maybe it's the May 2017 lineup which will be the real indication as to whether they've settled on the current mix as their fixed identity.
If they settle upon the current mix as the Boston Calling brand they might then end up doing another festival with a different name in Boston to sell tickets to a somewhat older skewing crowd. If BC keeps trending in the current direction, there's going to be room in the market for something which feels like a cross between Newport Folk and Riot Fest. If no one else like LiveNation (who already own a ridiculous number of the big fests) or Bowery Boston step in to fill that need, Crash Line might just do it. After all, General Motors has around five different brands, each designed to appeal to different car buyers.
The same folks run Shaky Knees, Shaky Beats, and Shaky Boots in Atlanta. No reason why Crash Line couldn't do the same here.
I think you're wildly over thinking this.
Perhaps he is, but you don't need to give such a bad attitude about it. How about instead of being snarky, you actually respond to this person with more than one sentence?
He has a point - Boston Calling has struggled to find an identity in an already crowded festival market. Many of its headliners over past editions have been shared with other festivals, and besides a few local acts, have had zero focus or emphasis on Massachusetts or Boston-based bands. What makes this stand out from other festivals of its size?
Perhaps he is, but you don't need to give such a bad attitude about it. How about instead of being snarky, you actually respond to this person with more than one sentence?
He has a point - Boston Calling has struggled to find an identity in an already crowded festival market. Many of its headliners over past editions have been shared with other festivals, and besides a few local acts, have had zero focus or emphasis on Massachusetts or Boston-based bands. What makes this stand out from other festivals of its size?
I'm not being snarky at all, I'm being honest. Strawman explained it well also. I also find it humourous you accuse me of having a bad attitude when the person I was replying to has been shitting all over this lineup since it came out, and implying people who like it must be young/hate rock music. Get over it.
Perhaps he is, but you don't need to give such a bad attitude about it. How about instead of being snarky, you actually respond to this person with more than one sentence?
He has a point - Boston Calling has struggled to find an identity in an already crowded festival market. Many of its headliners over past editions have been shared with other festivals, and besides a few local acts, have had zero focus or emphasis on Massachusetts or Boston-based bands. What makes this stand out from other festivals of its size?
I think they don't have to have a set identity. I think they should just book acts that are great to see live, regardless of genre or where the band is from. It seems to work for them now. I like that one year I can see The Replacements, one year The Roots, one year Hozier and one year Robyn and Disclosure. What's wrong with that?
Perhaps he is, but you don't need to give such a bad attitude about it. How about instead of being snarky, you actually respond to this person with more than one sentence?
He has a point - Boston Calling has struggled to find an identity in an already crowded festival market. Many of its headliners over past editions have been shared with other festivals, and besides a few local acts, have had zero focus or emphasis on Massachusetts or Boston-based bands. What makes this stand out from other festivals of its size?
I'm not being snarky at all, I'm being honest. Strawman explained it well also. I also find it humourous you accuse me of having a bad attitude when the person I was replying to has been shitting all over this lineup since it came out, and implying people who like it must be young/hate rock music. Get over it.
You seem like a really nice person. Do you really care that much if someone is shitting over a lineup you like? Who cares? As you said yourself, "get over it." I'm not knocking anyone who likes this lineup, I hope anyone that goes enjoys themselves!
There's a handful of artists I like on there, but it just isn't enough for me to go all three days. To each his own!
Perhaps he is, but you don't need to give such a bad attitude about it. How about instead of being snarky, you actually respond to this person with more than one sentence?
He has a point - Boston Calling has struggled to find an identity in an already crowded festival market. Many of its headliners over past editions have been shared with other festivals, and besides a few local acts, have had zero focus or emphasis on Massachusetts or Boston-based bands. What makes this stand out from other festivals of its size?
I think they don't have to have a set identity. I think they should just book acts that are great to see live, regardless of genre or where the band is from. It seems to work for them now. I like that one year I can see The Replacements, one year The Roots, one year Hozier and one year Robyn and Disclosure. What's wrong with that?
I totally agree with this. Not every line-up appeals to me, but its nice to have so much variety. I loved seeing Lorde one day and than Spoon into The Replacements into Nas x The Roots the next day.
Plus IIRC acts like The Replacements, Roots x Nas, and Sia (so far) were/are Northeastern festival exclusives which is pretty cool.
I'm not being snarky at all, I'm being honest. Strawman explained it well also. I also find it humourous you accuse me of having a bad attitude when the person I was replying to has been shitting all over this lineup since it came out, and implying people who like it must be young/hate rock music. Get over it.
You seem like a really nice person. Do you really care that much if someone is shitting over a lineup you like? Who cares? As you said yourself, "get over it." I'm not knocking anyone who likes this lineup, I hope anyone that goes enjoys themselves!
There's a handful of artists I like on there, but it just isn't enough for me to go all three days. To each his own!
I don't care if someone doesn't like a lineup, I don't like Bonnaroo's this year either. What I find off putting is acting like a festival owes you something.
