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I am so fucking sick of FJM, holy fucking shit. He's so goddamn tiresome. We get it, guy - you're just too cool and oh-so-above it all. Can't wait for another year of him playing every festival he can get his hands on, then standing on stage and "sarcastically" poking fun at the festival, its fans, the fact that you're playing, whatever.
I've definitely struggle with whether FJM is laughing with or at the audience during his shows. After seeing him three times (each time was great), I think he's laughing with the audience. I think.
I've definitely struggle with whether FJM is laughing with or at the audience during his shows. After seeing him three times (each time was great), I think he's laughing with the audience. I think.
It's neither. He wants desperately to pretend that he's so removed from this. Hence, the low-hanging fruit Ed Sheeran jokes and shit in his "hilarious" Pandora bits. He tries to present himself as this outsider who is just too cool for the industry bullshit, when in reality he's a pandering oaf who would play a Hitler Youth rally if they paid him enough. He is the patron saint of the neckbeard in a Matador t-shirt who claims he doesn't own a television and has never heard of Taylor Swift. He's a turkey and a fraud, and his latest album was a bunch of bullshit diminishing returns.
Haters gonna hate I guess. He put out one of the best albums of 2015 and I think he's fucking hilarious.
I am so fucking sick of FJM, holy fucking shit. He's so goddamn tiresome. We get it, guy - you're just too cool and oh-so-above it all. Can't wait for another year of him playing every festival he can get his hands on, then standing on stage and "sarcastically" poking fun at the festival, its fans, the fact that you're playing, whatever.
Emoney serves more of a purpose than any of you, especially Nate, whose incessant, garbled ramblings are so mindless and pointless that I get depressed just seeing them.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Jan 6, 2016 9:51:14 GMT -5
I don't recall him poking fun at the crowd the two times I've seen him at ACL or the one time at Bonnaroo. Seems like he did a joke aimed at the press pit at this past ACL. I've always enjoyed his live show and albums.
I like the act. It is an act you know? I also like his music. The only part of this that I agree with is Noel Gallagher is definitely more funny. I do think he is trying but maybe not as hard.
I am so fucking sick of FJM, holy fucking shit. He's so goddamn tiresome. We get it, guy - you're just too cool and oh-so-above it all. Can't wait for another year of him playing every festival he can get his hands on, then standing on stage and "sarcastically" poking fun at the festival, its fans, the fact that you're playing, whatever.
I am so fucking sick of FJM, holy fucking shit. He's so goddamn tiresome. We get it, guy - you're just too cool and oh-so-above it all. Can't wait for another year of him playing every festival he can get his hands on, then standing on stage and "sarcastically" poking fun at the festival, its fans, the fact that you're playing, whatever.
Awwww puddin
FJM adopted the puppy Juggs saw at the kennel first.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Jan 6, 2016 11:03:19 GMT -5
So, is FJM expected in the Spoon slot for acts that had a project out and were touring heavily the previous year, but have nothing new on the horizon for the year they play Bonnaroo?
So, is FJM expected in the Spoon slot for acts that had a project out and were touring heavily the previous year, but have nothing new on the horizon for the year they play Bonnaroo?
He has no concerts listed until April 2016... could very well be hitting the studio. When AWOLNATION and 21 Pilots showed up on the 2015 lineup, they also had no new album announced, but by June they had already released one.
But yeah, I suppose it's likely he'll still be touring on ILYHB.
It was something far worse. He talked down about Coachella.
Actually, it was Newport that kinda put me off. Like, Coachella should be made fun of, in many ways, as should Bonnaroo and Lollapaloooza. They attract ridiculous crowds full of ridiculous people who open themselves up to mockery. But when I saw him at Newport (and, believe it or not, I am/was a fan), he just put on this air of being too cool for the whole thing. He was making jokes about suspenders and fedoras, which is fine (because seriously, fuck that shit), but he seemed to have zero self-awareness at all about it. There's just nothing sadder, and less cool, than someone who desperately wants to be seen as cool. He's just trying so hard to let us all know that he just doesn't give a shit, which is really boorish and trite. It's actually very similar to how I feel about Death Grips.
Out of curiosity, how do you feel about Death Grips?
I want to take this from a different angle. I like both albums but the first way more than the second. I just didn't get a specific part of the critique/praise of his 2nd album by the press mainly but on this forum as well. Everyone seemed so happy to pat him on the back for making a more serious/emotional album since he a class clown. As a lifelong class clown/asshole I can readily admit that we have feelings just like everyone else and being praised for not being a smartass is a really weird backhanded compliment. To me on musical content alone, the first album is much superior but because this was his "serious" album somehow it meant more and was better. I didn't get it.
Will I keep seeing him live? Oh yeah.
I think most of the praise came from Father John Misty letting more of Josh Tillman in the music. A few of the songs on Fear Fun like Writing A Novel and Now I'm Learning to Love the War were very self-aware about how creating and publishing art/music/whatever is a narcissistic act. Tillman said he was using sarcasm as defense mechanism for being self-conscious about what he was doing.
On I Love You, Honeybear he kicked out the self doubt and wrote some sincere stuff. The sarcasm and fun stuff was still there but he wasn't apologizing for making music anymore. He also turned his criticism off of himself and onto the world around him like in The Night Josh Tillman Came to Our Apartment and Bored In the USA. It's generall easier to connect to a shared experience with an artist instead of a self-criticism. So I think it's not really the seriousness that critics responded to but the confidence and common ground.
For what it's worth I like both albums but Fear Fun is definitely my favorite as well.
I want to take this from a different angle. I like both albums but the first way more than the second. I just didn't get a specific part of the critique/praise of his 2nd album by the press mainly but on this forum as well. Everyone seemed so happy to pat him on the back for making a more serious/emotional album since he a class clown. As a lifelong class clown/asshole I can readily admit that we have feelings just like everyone else and being praised for not being a smartass is a really weird backhanded compliment. To me on musical content alone, the first album is much superior but because this was his "serious" album somehow it meant more and was better. I didn't get it.
Will I keep seeing him live? Oh yeah.
I think most of the praise came from Father John Misty letting more of Josh Tillman in the music. A few of the songs on Fear Fun like Writing A Novel and Now I'm Learning to Love the War were very self-aware about how creating and publishing art/music/whatever is a narcissistic act. Tillman said he was using sarcasm as defense mechanism for being self-conscious about what he was doing.
On I Love You, Honeybear he kicked out the self doubt and wrote some sincere stuff. The sarcasm and fun stuff was still there but he wasn't apologizing for making music anymore. He also turned his criticism off of himself and onto the world around him like in The Night Josh Tillman Came to Our Apartment and Bored In the USA. It's generall easier to connect to a shared experience with an artist instead of a self-criticism. So I think it's not really the seriousness that critics responded to but the confidence and common ground.
For what it's worth I like both albums but Fear Fun is definitely my favorite as well.
The best part of Honeybear is that it does all of what you said but still has some of the self-criticism. The last line of The Night Josh Tillman Came to Our Apartment is basically implicating him in being complicit in this thing he so detests. Another reason the album got so much praise is because it tackled such an overdone theme from a new perspective. And I disagree that
Between the two albums I'm pretty torn. I think Fear Fun has the stronger songs, but Honeybear is the stronger album.
Also I totally get the criticism about him, especially his festival attitude. It gets tired and douchey after a bit. One of the only times I agreed with CoS was when they wrote a piece on Jack White where the main point was that you can't completely trash on the elements of the media that played a major hand in getting you to where you are. Same applies to FJM.
I think we're all over analyzing Father John Misty. Going back to what Sang briefly interjected, the whole thing is an ACT. One that I particularly enjoy and find entertaining. Purely looking at the music, if you can't admit that Honeybear and Fear Fun (Especially Honeybear in my opinion) have some fantastic arrangements, then you're getting too caught in your dislike for his personality.
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Post by Radius Claus on Jan 7, 2016 15:33:07 GMT -5
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