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Comparing the lineup in 2016 to the lineup in 2008 is like comparing the championship wins of NFL teams before the AFL-NFL merger.
Things are going to be easier with less competitive participants.
This is the new normal. Or the new americana - as one of this year's top billed acts would say.
I don't agree with that, though. I think having other fests competing certainly makes it more difficult, but Bonnaroo is/was one of the "big 4" fests, and with LiveNation backing it, should have enough money and muscle, not to mention outright ingenuity, to put together an interesting lineup.
I think it can/should put an interesting lineup together, but I am not long-term as optimistic unless it changes its trajectory. Having a multi day fest on a farm in June was a great idea in 2002. If they could get a redo - would they have switched things? Something closer to one of the major cities? Something not in the prime of Euro fest season? Roo is the product of all of those things, and it wouldn't be the fest it is today (in a positive sense) without them.... but I dunno.
I'm not saying the fest can't continue to thrive and grow - but it's not as simple as "Roo is/was a premier fest and they can reverse the momentum of these other NY/DC/Atlanta fests".
If that really does end up being the superjam I guess that makes my late night options easier. But that's assuming Roo doesn't fuck the other options up, too.
Honestly, for me it's more promising than what the 80's Superjam delivered last year. The music's more guitar-driven and more easy for artists to jam on. Just my opinion.
I must have missed something, but what is this .38 special/Foreigner/Journey one you speak of?
You're probably going to regret asking, but here it is:
I'm not about any of this false flag "the lineup's a fake"/"not near complete" nonsense, but this is really making want to go full on Tinfoil.
Two needless drug references in a press description? Trying to raise nostalgia for an era fucking nobody thinks fondly of? It's mind-blowing. I realize these are the same people that booked Unchained but this is still so hard to believe.
Funny, I feel like concussive brain damage would probably be the main thing that leads to someone enjoying this.
The single biggest try-hard band in history.
My gf like Cage the Elephant until we watched them on Jools the other night. Her initial reaction was "I think seeing them on stage makes me not like them"
I don't get all the references to St. Louis in the superjam description. Capp Dogg has been in knoxville since the 70's and Superfly is a NOLA thing.
and who the hell is sweet meat? a quick google search tells me it's either a Boner or a "60's 70's 80's 90's 2000's Rock Radio tribute band" from Texas. uh oh.
J. Cole is the "Dave Matthews Band of the late 90's" of rap. He's a decent rapper that is way more popular than makes sense, so there is a huge backlash with the music snobs.
IDK, that's not a bad comparison, but I think that DMB and J. Cole garnered popularity for very different reasons. I developed a theory last year when I was trying to figure out this weird cult of "hip-hop heads" who think it's cool to trot around their knowledge of rappers like Logic, J. Cole, G Eazy, Mac Miller, Hopsin, etc. Particularly, Logic and J. Cole fans interested me, because many of their fans will make the erroneous claim that they are best alive right now. Interestingly, many of these people also tend to share a deep hatred for rappers on the radio particularly Drake, Kanye and in some cases Kendrick catches flack too.
My theory is that these people's tastes fall right in line with everything on the radio, but since there's no cool points to gain from listening to that they've found incredibly similar sounding artists in the internet underground to latch onto. So basically what's formed is an anti-Drake counter-culture of artists who all kinda sound like Drake.
Unrelated, but I've wondered if Halsey is ushering in a group of similar thinking people in the pop space.
I've been having trouble vocalizing what I don't like about this lineup, but this quote set it off for me. It's a lot of radio music, but I actually listen to the radio and I like pop music, so that's not really my problem. It's more that it's radio music for people who would never listen to the radio. It's a bunch of second tier pop acts that most people like, but aren't popular enough to ignite a backlash. Ellie Goulding, for example, is perfectly fine, but she's not a tier 1 pop star, and she's not a critical darling like a Sia, Robyn, Grimes. She's just safe. J Cole is supposed to appeal to Drake fans, but he isn't actually Drake. They got Miguel instead of The Weeknd. Death Cab is the safe indie band that everyone used to like but is clearly on the decline, like seeing Weezer on a lineup 3-4 years ago, or Smashing Pumpkins before that, rather than someone still on the come up like Vampire Weekend or Sufjan Stevens. It's a bunch of mainstream stuff, but nothing risky or terribly interesting.
And when they did book someone interesting at the top of the card, like Tame Impala or LCD or even the Dead, there's not much further down that's similar. They didn't even try to throw electronic music fans a bone beyond LCD Soundsystem. You'd think that if they're spending a (reported) large amount of money for one band, they'd throw a few more things on the lineup to appeal to the fans of that act they're hoping to attract. I'd love to see Bonnaroo do with the Christmas Barn what Okeebochee is doing with the Jungle Stage, but even short of that someone like Todd Terje or Simian Mobile Disco would add a little spark to the middle of the lineup.
And looking back at that 2008 lineup, it definitely lacks that totally bananas "great artists from all sorts of genres" thing they used to do. Bonnaroo used to be the "where else could you see Hall and Oates followed by Rae Sremmurd" type of place, but this lineup is very down the middle.
I must have missed something, but what is this .38 special/Foreigner/Journey one you speak of?
You're probably going to regret asking, but here it is:
This has almost convinced me 100% this leak is fake. Busch stadium? Who references that? Your sister in '82? What demo are they going for? She's high? He's a douche?! Whaaaat? And then there's the whole music side of it.. And the icing on the cake, a fest that keeps cranking the price referencing a time when you could see 5 bands for $10!... Hmmm
I don't get all the references to St. Louis in the superjam description. Capp Dogg has been in knoxville since the 70's and Superfly is a NOLA thing.
and who the hell is sweet meat? a quick google search tells me it's either a Boner or a "60's 70's 80's 90's 2000's Rock Radio tribute band" from Texas. uh oh.
Sweet Meat appears to be a mascot for a St Louis radio station
I don't get all the references to St. Louis in the superjam description. Capp Dogg has been in knoxville since the 70's and Superfly is a NOLA thing.
and who the hell is sweet meat? a quick google search tells me it's either a Boner or a "60's 70's 80's 90's 2000's Rock Radio tribute band" from Texas. uh oh.
IDK, that's not a bad comparison, but I think that DMB and J. Cole garnered popularity for very different reasons. I developed a theory last year when I was trying to figure out this weird cult of "hip-hop heads" who think it's cool to trot around their knowledge of rappers like Logic, J. Cole, G Eazy, Mac Miller, Hopsin, etc. Particularly, Logic and J. Cole fans interested me, because many of their fans will make the erroneous claim that they are best alive right now. Interestingly, many of these people also tend to share a deep hatred for rappers on the radio particularly Drake, Kanye and in some cases Kendrick catches flack too.
My theory is that these people's tastes fall right in line with everything on the radio, but since there's no cool points to gain from listening to that they've found incredibly similar sounding artists in the internet underground to latch onto. So basically what's formed is an anti-Drake counter-culture of artists who all kinda sound like Drake.
Unrelated, but I've wondered if Halsey is ushering in a group of similar thinking people in the pop space.
I've been having trouble vocalizing what I don't like about this lineup, but this quote set it off for me. It's a lot of radio music, but I actually listen to the radio and I like pop music, so that's not really my problem. It's more that it's radio music for people who would never admit to enjoying listening to the radio. It's a bunch of second tier pop acts that people listen to and think "this should be on the radio" or hear on the radio and get a smug self-satisfaction that it's better than the more popular songs. Ellie Goulding, for example, is perfectly fine, but she's not a tier 1 pop star, and she's not a critical darling like a Sia, Robyn, Grimes. She's just safe. J Cole is supposed to appeal to Drake fans, but he isn't actually Drake. Death Cab is the safe indie band that everyone used to like but is clearly on the decline, like seeing Weezer on a lineup 3-4 years ago, or Smashing Pumpkins before that, rather than someone still on the come up like Vampire Weekend or Sufjan Stevens.
And when they did book someone interesting at the top of the card, like Tame Impala or LCD, there's not much further down that's similar. They didn't even try to throw electronic music fans a bone beyond LCD Soundsystem. You'd think that if they're spending a (reported) large amount of money for one band, they'd throw a few more things on the lineup to appeal to the fans of that act they're hoping to attract. I'd love to see Bonnaroo do with the Christmas Barn what Okeebochee is doing with the Jungle Stage, but even short of that someone like Todd Terje or Simian Mobile Disco would add a little spark to the middle of the lineup.
And looking back at that 2008 lineup, it definitely lacks that totally bananas "great artists from all sorts of genres" thing they used to do. Bonnaroo used to be the "where else could you see Hall and Oates followed by Rae Sremmurd" type of place, but this lineup is very down the middle.
I really enjoy reading these kinds of analyses and explanation of complaints. It's so much better than "lol derp...this lineup blows". I was also having a hard time putting into words what feels weird about this lineup considering I know I'll like a ton of shows I go see.
I'd agree with this breakdown, though. I like a lot of bands on this lineup but it does feel like Jason Isbell, Leon Bridges, Father John Misty, Haim, etc. all fall into that category of "Sound like they could be on radio but aren't known as radio artists". I am not sure if they get a lot of radio play (I'd imagine Haim and Leon get some love but I haven't listened to radio that wasn't SiriusXM in a long time) but I could see people arguing for them being anti-radio or the types of acts that "aren't mainstream" or whatever.
So after listening to this playlist, Im officially excited. So many amazing bands Id never heard before.
I look forward to discovering a bunch of new acts, as well. I usually do light browsing before the schedule comes out but once I know who is playing where and who is conflicting I really do a ton of festival homework and start digging through everyone on the bottom of the lineup.
I don't get all the references to St. Louis in the superjam description. Capp Dogg has been in knoxville since the 70's and Superfly is a NOLA thing.
and who the hell is sweet meat? a quick google search tells me it's either a Boner or a "60's 70's 80's 90's 2000's Rock Radio tribute band" from Texas. uh oh.
You're probably going to regret asking, but here it is:
I'm not about any of this false flag "the lineup's a fake"/"not near complete" nonsense, but this is really making want to go full on Tinfoil.
Two needless drug references in a press description? Trying to raise nostalgia for an era fucking nobody thinks fondly of? It's mind-blowing. I realize these are the same people that booked Unchained but this is still so hard to believe.
I know. Perhaps they are just trolling us with reckless abandon. But if they are, what's the upside for them?
I don't get all the references to St. Louis in the superjam description. Capp Dogg has been in knoxville since the 70's and Superfly is a NOLA thing.
and who the hell is sweet meat? a quick google search tells me it's either a Boner or a "60's 70's 80's 90's 2000's Rock Radio tribute band" from Texas. uh oh.
Sweet Meat appears to be a mascot for a St Louis radio station
I don't get all the references to St. Louis in the superjam description. Capp Dogg has been in knoxville since the 70's and Superfly is a NOLA thing.
and who the hell is sweet meat? a quick google search tells me it's either a Boner or a "60's 70's 80's 90's 2000's Rock Radio tribute band" from Texas. uh oh.
IDK, that's not a bad comparison, but I think that DMB and J. Cole garnered popularity for very different reasons. I developed a theory last year when I was trying to figure out this weird cult of "hip-hop heads" who think it's cool to trot around their knowledge of rappers like Logic, J. Cole, G Eazy, Mac Miller, Hopsin, etc. Particularly, Logic and J. Cole fans interested me, because many of their fans will make the erroneous claim that they are best alive right now. Interestingly, many of these people also tend to share a deep hatred for rappers on the radio particularly Drake, Kanye and in some cases Kendrick catches flack too.
My theory is that these people's tastes fall right in line with everything on the radio, but since there's no cool points to gain from listening to that they've found incredibly similar sounding artists in the internet underground to latch onto. So basically what's formed is an anti-Drake counter-culture of artists who all kinda sound like Drake.
Unrelated, but I've wondered if Halsey is ushering in a group of similar thinking people in the pop space.
I've been having trouble vocalizing what I don't like about this lineup, but this quote set it off for me. It's a lot of radio music, but I actually listen to the radio and I like pop music, so that's not really my problem. It's more that it's radio music for people who would never admit to enjoying listening to the radio. It's a bunch of second tier pop acts that most people like, but aren't popular enough to ignite a backlash. Ellie Goulding, for example, is perfectly fine, but she's not a tier 1 pop star, and she's not a critical darling like a Sia, Robyn, Grimes. She's just safe. J Cole is supposed to appeal to Drake fans, but he isn't actually Drake. They got Miguel instead of The Weeknd. Death Cab is the safe indie band that everyone used to like but is clearly on the decline, like seeing Weezer on a lineup 3-4 years ago, or Smashing Pumpkins before that, rather than someone still on the come up like Vampire Weekend or Sufjan Stevens. It's a bunch of mainstream stuff, but nothing risky or interesting enough that it might elicit a backlash.
And when they did book someone interesting at the top of the card, like Tame Impala or LCD, there's not much further down that's similar. They didn't even try to throw electronic music fans a bone beyond LCD Soundsystem. You'd think that if they're spending a (reported) large amount of money for one band, they'd throw a few more things on the lineup to appeal to the fans of that act they're hoping to attract. I'd love to see Bonnaroo do with the Christmas Barn what Okeebochee is doing with the Jungle Stage, but even short of that someone like Todd Terje or Simian Mobile Disco would add a little spark to the middle of the lineup.
And looking back at that 2008 lineup, it definitely lacks that totally bananas "great artists from all sorts of genres" thing they used to do. Bonnaroo used to be the "where else could you see Hall and Oates followed by Rae Sremmurd" type of place, but this lineup is very down the middle.
Damn. I drop back in for one day and I'm already getting love from Meatball Sub. Nice extrapolation of my thoughts.
Well, first of all, I doubt that whoever did the write up is going to dictate the setlist.
Secondly, her touring band for the solo material was the Nocturnals minus guitarist Scott Tournet.
Finally, this is about a Superjam. To suggest that she can only perform well with an exact set of musicians is silly. These is plenty of video of her performing with other artists to support that she can hold her own.
Post by brittrock80 on Jan 15, 2016 11:58:39 GMT -5
It may have already been mentioned, but I'm trying to figure out why Third Eye Blind is on the lineup. I cringed when I saw them on the Firefly lineup two years ago. When I would come home from college every summer, I would work out at a gym in NoVA and that bullshiz was on every workout. Seems counter to all the Earth Wind and Fire, Tears for Fears, Alice Cooper type gets that have happened in the past.
I think whats happened this year was a combination of most of the rare and interesting acts bolting for Primavera/the Euro fest circuit a week or two prior, and then Shaky Knees/Beats radius clause gutting the rest. This lineup is what was left over.
Do you think Bonnaroo may try earlier dates in the future so that they can try to get these artists before they head to Europe in June?
Post by Dale Cooper on Jan 15, 2016 12:06:21 GMT -5
Meatball Sub hit the nail on the head about this line-up. I've thought more than once that I would rather be Drake'd than get both J.Cole and Macklemore. At least then you're getting the real guy and two prominent spots in the undercard aren't going to waste.
It may have already been mentioned, but I'm trying to figure out why Third Eye Blind is on the lineup. I cringed when I saw them on the Firefly lineup two years ago. When I would come home from college every summer, I would work out at a gym in NoVA and that bullshiz was on every workout. Seems counter to all the Earth Wind and Fire, Tears for Fears, Alice Cooper type gets that have happened in the past.
Third Eye Blind is indeed a poor substitute for some of the legacy acts that they've billed in previous years.
I'm not sure why they're getting this new push when all indications are that they have nothing to offer at this point. They just played the local "alternative" station's Christmas show with several other Roo artists, too. Maybe they've got some incriminating photos?
Do you think Bonnaroo may try earlier dates in the future so that they can try to get these artists before they head to Europe in June?
I wouldn't know. Maybe in a few years once they are done building the farm up and getting new revenue from renting it out; they'll start increasing the talent budget though? It's not so much that acts would rather play shows in Europe than play Bonnaroo. It's that they can make more money doing so.
Post by shrek_fan_69 on Jan 15, 2016 12:09:50 GMT -5
I think its clear how badly they were undercut by shaky knees/beats. If you could take 5 or so acts from both, plus a couple decent reunion acts, we'd be in business.
Bonnaroo has abandoned the idea of a curated lineup, instead booking straight down the middle, the same pop-indie, bro-EDM you can find at any other (smaller/less expensive) festival. Its dismal, and anyone satisfied with this line-up is part of the problem. I have to assume these are first or second timers who don't see that much live music to begin with.
I think whats happened this year was a combination of most of the rare and interesting acts bolting for Primavera/the Euro fest circuit a week or two prior, and then Shaky Knees/Beats radius clause gutting the rest. This lineup is what was left over.
Do you think Bonnaroo may try earlier dates in the future so that they can try to get these artists before they head to Europe in June?
Eh, I don't really buy this. The Euro circuit isn't new, and Bonnaroo managed perfectly well in the past. Hell, we found out about Paul McCartney playing Roo because one of the Euro fest organizers was complaining Paul chose Bonnaroo over him. As for Shaky Knees/Beats, how on earth are they getting out-muscled by a new regional festival a fraction of Bonnaroo's size?
It seems more like a deliberate choice rather than all the other fests eating Bonnaroo's lunch. Although both scenarios are pretty embarrassing.
Are their any speculations on whose hosting the superjam this year?
Someone I couldn't give a fuck about, based on the hell-scape description they had on the app.
I won't believe that description until Bonnaroo confirms it themselves. It seemed too bizarre/over-the-top to be real. Also, Bonnaroo has never had that kind of info available this early. At most we get key members/basic theme (Soul Superjam or Bluegrass Superjam). I'm convinced that's a Photoshop.
Post by Nautical Disaster on Jan 15, 2016 12:14:56 GMT -5
Third Eye Blind is absolutely NOT anything to do with being a legend band. Simply a 90s cheese act that a lot of people will have fun at, in a tent at 12:30am fri.
