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This is the first message board I've ever been on, the only reason I joined is because I love Bonnaroo and wanted to read and talk about it all year long.
My point was that I care about Bonnaroo's lineup being great. I'm not as concerned by if they "won" the festival competition as I am by if I'd we got a winning festival lineup.
Just take care of your own shit. Them trying to be like everyone else (and flailing) is why they've become so mediocre, IMO.
While I'd love to have longer sets again, and I know some bands can definitely fill that time, I think MOST bands have their little 30-40 minute festival setlist setup, and that's just what they are going to play, regardless of timeslot length. This results in situations like Tame Impala (Late Night) Gate.
My point was that I care about Bonnaroo's lineup being great. I'm not as concerned by if they "won" the festival competition as I am by if I'd we got a winning festival lineup.
Just take care of your own shit. Them trying to be like everyone else (and flailing) is why they've become so mediocre, IMO.
I agree with this sentiment. While lineups are the single most important factor for me when deciding what festival to attend, a festival shouldn't completely abandon what worked in the past in order to "keep up" with other festivals, which results in a race to mediocrity (here are some headliners + all the cheap undercard acts you twentysomethings love to listen to via youtube and social medias).
What made Bonnaroo great wasn't jambands or any particular genre, it was the absurdity and wackiness of the lineups. It was a day where I could see Michael Kiwanuka, Aziz Ansari, Feist, Ludacris, St. Vincent, Radiohead, Major Lazer and Flying Lotus. Or Bad Brains, Flogging Molly, Punch Brothers, Santigold, Mogwai, Danzig, Dispatch, RHCP, Alice Cooper, Skrillex, and GZA. Or Gary Clark Jr, The Beach Boys, Mac Miller, War on Drugs, Ben Folds Five, Bon Iver, fun., and Phish. And that's just acts pulled from each day of 2012.
Included in the above are some acts I'd personally consider mediocre, but it takes the sting out of having Major Lazer on the lineup when Flying Lotus is right after (or you can see Black Star instead). Like you can have the shitty acts that shitty people love and still have cool acts that cool people love too. And all the cool people can go see Mac Miller ironically and relish in their superiority over the fans that are actually enjoying the music.
While I'd love to have longer sets again, and I know some bands can definitely fill that time, I think MOST bands have their little 30-40 minute festival setlist setup, and that's just what they are going to play, regardless of timeslot length. This results in situations like Tame Impala (Late Night) Gate.
It wasn't a problem ten years ago for bands to fill their timeslot. Aside from The Police, it seems like it was rare for sets to end early.
The fact that they typically have shorter festival sets is precisely what makes the longer sets so special. Even if you get someone that is playing every other festival, you get a different set with room for a deeper cut, extended jam or maybe a fun cover. They shortened sets by an average of more than six minutes between 2011 and 2016, and that is including about 25-30 half hour Sonic Stage sets in '11. That can be a song or two, depending on the artist.
On top of that, if you're someone who likes to sample rather than take in one set at a time, it's that much harder to catch multiple artists since their windows are shorter.
So, on the spot with no knowledge of what question I was going to be asked, I went with that one.
Post by Jake Jortles on May 4, 2017 8:24:21 GMT -5
Were you guys speaking to humans on the other end or just prerecorded shit?
If it was a human, I think you should have taken them way off track of their questions and just drove home repeatedly that the lineups have CLEARLY changed and set times + latenights have been reduced. Those are the only factors that matter imo.
Were you guys speaking to humans on the other end or just prerecorded shit?
If it was a human, I think you should have taken them way off track of their questions and just drove home repeatedly that the lineups have CLEARLY changed and set times + latenights have been reduced. Those are the only factors that matter imo.
It was a human. Possibly a teenager. Definitely an intern. They didn't care.
Wow. I feel super prescient after looking at this schedule. So insulting. If I wasn't done with this festival, I'd go back and compare the amount of music this year to '11 or '12. I guarantee the sets are at least an average of 15 minutes shorter with a lot fewer sets, two less tents and costing a buttload more.
I'm just bummed that I got pressured into going this year because I'd just rather not at this point. I'll make the best of it but at this point it's like going to see a made for tv sequel to a great film.
Post by pondo ROCKS on May 5, 2017 11:07:37 GMT -5
It's kinda hard to just say "oh well it's Bonnaroo" after two years of this in a row. Cafe Where could still help with this but getting that back seems impossible at this point. Shorter sets, longer wait times seems to be the norm
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It's kinda hard to just say "oh well it's Bonnaroo" after two years of this in a row. Cafe Where could still help with this but getting that back seems impossible at this point. Shorter sets, longer wait times seems to be the norm
Yeah. It's a shame but I think that they have just decided to be a different festival than the one a lot of us have loved for a long time.
