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To your second point, why would i speak out during a Day 1 fake reveal? That's basically giving up and giving the Mafia the game from Day 1. By staying silent, and announcing in Day 2, I gave the town more additional confirmed roles.
Because bullshit is bullshit whenever it happens.
What, you let a Mafia (according to you) get away and we're supposed to be cool with that?
You "cleared" Potent. He had a single vote all game.
Come to think of it, I did mention that I couldn't explain the votes involving him in D1R1. Potent > Carini danbob > Potent
Carini and Danbob are the players you're making noise that you're going to inquire about now. Made me go "hmm" then. Might be a good time to go "hmm" again?
Potent did switch to me, putting me back into the runoff. And we know you and/or Viking are lying, and you both voted for me in that round too.
Wait... are you suggesting that Viking and ZIG are in on it together?
Can you elaborate?
I'm not suggesting it. They have to be because they are both calling my mafia and I am not.
It's a war of attrition. If they throw enough shade around they can get the third to the end. That's why I was saying it's funny this happened after our Inspector talk this morning. If I was mafia why would I even be arguing that the inspector was alive? Especially if I'm mafia with Viking(not to many all the other shit that doesn't make sense about that). Anyway, I think they got a read on all remaining townies. After nobody came forward after our extended Inspector talk, they double faked to try to get Viking out of the looming Mike D/Viking runoff. It buys them another round.
But like i've said twice now, you guys should vote me off. I understood that reality last night. The only way the townies have a shot is to try and clear some of the confusion. Nobody is going to trust me, so it's best if I'm gone. In fact, it's best if townies don't even interact with me and taint their good names. It will just cause suspicion in later rounds.
WTF? You stealing my corn? This is way better thwn some of the shit Ive come uo with in the past. A double fake? That would be complete suicide.
Ref's Note: I'm getting on a plane to Las Vegas in a couple hours. I won't be on my personal computer again until Friday morning. Forgive me if my posts lack clarity and my responses are a tad slow. kdogg, feel free to post tallies if I'm late. You can even add the noob ref tally back in.
Day Two, Round One
Vote Tally SFA 3 (ZIG, Rummy, Mike D) Mike D 3 (Viking, Carini, danbob) Viking 2 (SFA, Potent) ZIG 1 (kdogg)
Vote History R1 Mike D > Viking R1 Viking > Mike D R1 kdogg > SFA R1 Potent > Mike D R1 SFA > Viking R1 Carini > Mike D R1 kdogg > SFA > Mike D R1 danbob > Mike D R1 ZIG > SFA R1 Potent > Mike D > Viking R1 kdogg > SFA > Mike D > SFA R1 Rummy > SFA R1 Mike D > Viking > SFA R1 kdogg > SFA > Mike D > SFA > ZIG
Left To Vote N/A
This round will end on Monday, July 11th at 12:00 P.M. EDT
Predictions if they live Viking comes into Day Three claiming ZIG is Mafia. ZIG comes into Day Three claiming Danbob is Mafia.
Predictions if they die Viking punches something, curses, and fixes himself a stiff drink. ZIG basks in the glow of a monitor in a dark room, weeping gently as he enters his own name into a cell on a spreadsheet.
Predictions if they live Viking comes into Day Three claiming ZIG is Mafia. ZIG comes into Day Three claiming Danbob is Mafia.
Predictions if they die Viking punches something, curses, and fixes himself a stiff drink. ZIG basks in the glow of a monitor in a dark room, weeping gently as he enters his own name into a cell on a spreadsheet.
Viking already has had several stiff drinks.
I honestly have no idea what to say. I mean I laid it all out Day 1 and it all came true. I am surprised it was Zig who faked but he has the best chance to be believed.
Willing to answer whatever you guys need. Glad I didn't post what I was thinking though. Zig may have tried to hide then.
Either way, I don't know what else to say. It comes down to the town. Trying to hold my tongue but pissed atm
Predictions if they live Viking comes into Day Three claiming ZIG is Mafia. ZIG comes into Day Three claiming Danbob is Mafia.
Predictions if they die Viking punches something, curses, and fixes himself a stiff drink. ZIG basks in the glow of a monitor in a dark room, weeping gently as he enters his own name into a cell on a spreadsheet.
Viking already has had several stiff drinks.
I honestly have no idea what to say. I mean I laid it all out Day 1 and it all came true. I am surprised it was Zig who faked but he has the best chance to be believed.
Willing to answer whatever you guys need. Glad I didn't post what I was thinking though. Zig may have tried to hide then.
Either way, I don't know what else to say. It comes down to the town. Trying to hold my tongue but pissed atm
You didn't lay anything out. You set it up. When has an Inspector ever had all 3 names figured out in round 1? That's crap.
Also, you aren't surprised by Zig at all. I'm to lazy to go look for quotes but you've fantasized about pulling this trick for a long time. I know you suggested it when EAP and I were mafia with you like 4 years ago.
^^too bad that screenshot doesn't have a Wednesay timestamp. Because the timestamp you included is in the body of the message. The real message timestamp says "less than a minute ago" which could have happened at any time...maybe like from 30 minutes ago...
^^too bad that screenshot doesn't have a Wednesay timestamp. Because the timestamp you included is in the body of the message. The real message timestamp says "less than a minute ago" which could have happened at any time...maybe like from 30 minutes ago...
Yeah, totally didn't see that getting pointed out to me in advance, either...
Your little side show is completely irrelevant. You state that you would become the perfect target for a lynch mob. When during Day 2 has there been a lynch mob against you? And when has anyone used the Viking and Thor votes against you?
Also interesting that you created that message to yourself right before Viking's fake reveal...
Your little side show is completely irrelevant. You state that you would become the perfect target for a lynch mob. When during Day 2 has there been a lynch mob against you? And when has anyone used the Viking and Thor votes against you?
Also interesting that you created that message to yourself right before Viking's fake reveal...
Pretty sure that would've been the agenda if not for the reveal. As I said, I was expecting to be in a situation where I had to cover my ass. I had lying Mafia scum voting for me, you know.
Anyway. Enough of my responses with you. I would've been better off reaching data overage territory with midget porn than arguing with you, to be quite honest. I have something more important at the moment, as far as this game goes. Stay tuned.
Fuck it, I vote we move this "dueling Inspector" business higher up on our agenda.
kdogg > ZIG
Do I have a second?
As y'all know, we currently have competing Inspector claims. I know they both overlap with SFA, and if you don't take me up on this proposal I'm still OK with lynching him. But hear me out here.
We also have a Night Two whack coming up. I think the obvious course of action for the Mafia right now is to whack a player voting for SFA. It would give us less to go on in Day Three, and Mafia could keep this guessing game going.
Let's force their hand. Let's draw the line between these competing Inspectors. Let's take sides on this now.
Mafia won't get an ambiguous Night Two whack out of it. Their whack would give us more information than lynching SFA now. The votes would likely be more informative, too.
That especially goes for you, ZIG, Rummy & Mike D. Y'all are voting for SFA right now, and that's basically a death sentence for one of you once Night falls. Just sayin.
I'm not saying SFA is innocent or that we shouldn't lynch him. We should. What I'm saying is: Can we please put Viking vs. ZIG ahead of SFA on the agenda - for our own sake?
I think we would be safer (for some more than others?) and smarter (as a Town) for rearranging the order of these priorities. Thank you for your consideration.
Already have posted on why I think he's full of shit and kdoggs post makes a lot of sense. Voting for a silent player (Mike D) doesn't help any of this confusion.
Well, as promised, here are my final thoughts although maybe not in a way you anticipated KDogg. Congrats to the conscious voters. You have decided you no longer want to play with your inspector.
I was going to post this last night but the tone had softened by the time I landed and it just seems that Jimmy can't help but punch himself in the face. The hope was that one of you would actually play the game and realize that the votes I had pulled prior to everything with Jimmy were highly suspect, but regardless, here we are. For the record, I absolutely hate this role and it is the worst role for me because I am so polarizing.
So here we go. My given name was Mike D. I was going to ask about SFA tonight. For what it is worth, I actually think Jimmy is town. Jimmy is the new roonectar. His unforced errors make him an ideal person to use to try and draw out mafia members. Unfortunately feelings prevented doing that this game.
Anyways, I voted for KDogg just because he is KDogg and we were going to GNFnR that weekend.
My vote switch to SFA is actually something that I do every time he plays but I never moved off of him because Mike D was voting for him and for whatever reason, mafia members tend to vote for each other earlier thinking that voting partners means hiding. That was reinforced with all the "no one uses voting partners" talk early on. SFA has posted very little of substance and even self-admits his posts have been fluffy this game. He also reciprocated my vote which he rarely ever does when I do the "lucky" vote, hence why I believe him to be mafia and was going to guess him.
Given the balance of players, I have Dan & Jimmy as probably townies, then KDogg as a likely townie. Potent I have shaded towards townie as well.
That leaves Carini, Rummy, Jaz, & ZIG.
I personally think Rummy is just a woman scorned, and as I have stated all along, that is her right. Maybe this is a blind spot for me trying to be sensitive to her need to lash out but it no longer matters since I am going to die. You guys can figure that one out.
That left Carini, Jaz, & ZIG. Originally, I had it narrowed down to Carini or Jaz for the last one, but after ZIG's vote for me, he moved up to the top of that group. Note, it is not the fact that he voted for me but the why. ZIG is a creature of habit to a huge fault. He has previously stated that he always believes that there is a mafia voter in the last 4 voters and yet, conspicuously forgot about it this game and voted along with 3 of the last 4. This is while I was the initial vote for 2 of them. It does not ring true especially after how big a deal he has made of this in previous games. Carini is a black hole at this point and I have no read on him. I think Jaz is also voting based on emotions here.
So thats all I have guys. As a recap, Mike D is known, SFA is likely, then ZIG. If that doesn't work, Carini or Jaz (or I guess Rummy but unlikely). I tried to do a better job hiding than I did in Mafia 76, and left out all the connections I normally make in my posts, but the inertia of history was too great.
I am heading into a meeting shortly here that will last most of the day. You have everything from me, but if you have questions, ask JR for an extension and I will try and answer them.
For all you idiots that actually believe Viking, here is his initial reveal from Day 1.
As I have previously said, how is anyone comfortable with the fact that he arbitrarily provides no evidence but somehow easily clears 5 players as town (balance of powers?? and a woman scorned). He even mentions that he left out all the "connection" he normally posts. How convenient. He has no evidence because he is lying.
Go back and see if we have ever had an inspector accurately guess all 3 Mafia before the end of Day 1? You probably can't because it doesn't happen.
There are so many red flags with Viking's reveal even without considering a second reveal, yet no one questions Viking...
Good morning all. I will be responding Mr Zig today once my brain unscrambles and then breaking down how I think the stretch will go. On Friday, I said I was guarding something but there is no need now and I was wrong anyways.
Zigzag, go back and look at the 2 other games I have been inspector. I had all 3 the first time and had 2 of 3 the last time. Tried to survive the night but left all the evidence before before getting whacked.
1. Viking named EVERYBODY in that post. His exact wording on that was "then ZIG. If that doesn't work" and goes on to include three other players in that sentence. It's not the rock-solid accusation that you're making it out to be. That statement admits room for error.
2. You're a big proponent of this "Last Four" theory. There's a Mafia in them thar votes, yes? Riddle me this then.
These are players 8-11 to cast an initial vote in D1R1, and how they went. Rummy > Viking danbob > Potent *Thor > kdogg *^Thor > kdogg > Potent Jaz > Viking
Here is how those players receiving votes had been voting at the time: Viking > kdogg kdogg > ZIG Potent > Carini
We can rule out Jaz, because he got whacked. We can likely rule out Thor, because (1) a Mafia vs. Mafia runoff seems highly unlikely and (2) Thor basically endorsed Viking's claim with his self-vote. Plus, you're not really in a position to debate this point since you said yourself his role is basically irrelevant.
Are you suggesting one of these two is another Mafia? Because I notice only one of these last four was on your "ask list."
3. I still have a mixed read on Jaz. He voted against Viking, but he talked about Mike D in what few posts he made. One of those two things that got him whacked, in combination with the lowest output.
Jaz had posted in thread when there was a chance to make a competing reveal, but he did not do so. If he was an Inspector, with his vote on a guy he knew to be faking, and did nothing... I find that suspicious.
Also: No way am I sitting out 20 games, if only because (against my better judgment) you bet your ass I want in for Mafia 100. I started out here watching Mafia VII and joining Mafia VIII way back when they were named with Roman numerals. I'm Town, I'm not 100% on anything, and I'm not betting with a player who started the game out with some information who has a 50-50 shot of having all the information at this point. That's a stacked deck, and you know it.
I have a Congressional District party committee meeting I have to leave for in a half hour, and will most likely barely make it back in time for work. I'll shut up a bit for now.
I do want to encourage my fellow Town to consider my proposal about drawing a line between competing Inspectors this round though. I mentioned that I think there's a benefit to be had in doing that first, and I stand by that.
I think it would: 1. Prevent the ambiguous whack of an SFA voter. 2. Perhaps teach us something by how the votes fall. 3. Make Mafia define their preference with their whack. 4. Put SFA on the record voting against (possibly lynching) one or the other.
Mike D: Mike D is usually a quiet person, but when he decides to speak, his words have meaning. Viking named his potential Sith Lord during the fake reveal as SFA, Mike D, and ZIG. ZiG is a Jedi, and SFA is a Sith Lord. Interesting that Viking called out SFA and then confirmed SFA Sith Lordship. Seems like a solid tactic to add a little validity into his fake theory but also create safety for SFA if the plan falls apart. This led to Mike D. I felt that it would be extremely reckless for Viking to name both of his Sith Lord companions in his fake theory, just in case the theory didn't work out. Plus, if the fake reveal worked, then all the townspeople would be looking at Mike D as the "1 confirmed Sith Lord" and vote him vote during Day 2. Mike D pushed back a bit on Viking, plus Mike D pushed Sith Lord Viking into the final runoff. Pretty solid evidence that Mike D would be a townsperson.
Thor: From my Jedi perspective, his role is now irrelevant. I know 2 Sith Lords (SFA and Viking) so if Thor is a Sith Lord, then we take a Jedi victory over the Sith Lords on Day 4 of this galactic conflict.
Jaz / Rummy These two I lumped together because they both fell into the same category. Both placed their initial Day 1 votes on Viking and didn't moved. Adding in SFA's vote for Viking, I found it unlikely that there would be 2 Sith Lords voting out their 3rd Sith Lord 6-5 with 2 potential votes to move to save Sith Lord Viking. This is further bolstered by the fact that Viking pulled a "fake reveal". Why go to that extreme decision of a fake reveal if you had 2 Sith Lords votes that are movable over to Thor. Didn't make sense so I'm guessing Jaz and Rummy are likely town. (Jaz was then killed during night 1 and confirmed as town).
KDogg: His Day 1 voting pattern was basically no help. But I did find his behavior after the "fake reveal" to be useful. It seemed as though he pushed back a bit on Viking and his reveal trying to poke holes in the information Viking revealed. So for now, Jedi ZiG would lean town for KDogg.
Jedi ZiG was now left with 3 candidates for the Night 1 Jedi Mind Reading: Danbob Potent Carini
Danbob: He's made a bunch of odd moves or comments so far. They seem to potentially be excused as rookie mistakes. Knowing that Viking and SFA are experienced Sith Lords, ZiG would normally assume Viking and SFA would have kept a tight leash on Danbob but Jedi ZiG cannot be sure if Danbob is a Sith Lord or not.
Carini: Zero help whatsoever in the game. Not sure why he even plays. First, his initial vote is based on his stupid rule, so he voted for Thor and then kept his vote there the entire Day 1. Plus, the lack of activity basically provides nothing to really look at. Seriously, go back and read through Carini's posts. At best, Carini is an unhelpful townie. At worst, he is playing the silent Mafia card. Role unknown.
Potent: He's voted for players that I know are Sith Lords, but also players I believe are townspeople. He's stayed involved, made a couple posts that have piqued my interest. Nothing concrete either.
So the options were basically a quiet player (Carini), a new player (Danbob), an experienced player (Potent).
Nothing about these three really stuck out as obvious, so I wanted to confirm the identity of the most experienced player.
Sadly at least one of Kdogg and Danbob is town, maybe both, but they are driving the town down the wrong road and will cause the town to lose.
I have answered every possible question regarding my reveal, where are the questions for Viking?
For those that care, initial "last 4" voters this game: Rummy Danbob Thor Jaz
and for those that think insider bring up my "last 4" theory, you clearly aren't doing a good job of rereading. I brought it up, no one wanted to discuss, so I moved on. And look back at all the games wen I have discussed Last 4. I have discussed it less and less each game based on the reaction from the remaining players.
Zig, I had the town almost kill me for longer, substantial posts and I have promised to play different. However, I have just as much backup as you. Just trying to be easier to play with. Even you called me a slime ball and glossed over my posts Day 1.
I would be happy to provide full logic and reason but the difference right now is that even the limited reasoning I posted makes sense. You have to post more because you are trying to make some real stretches to save your life. I've never
I will give you and your friends points for creativity but at the end of the day, the truth will out. You would have been much better served trying to fake immediately at the start of Day2 instead of when your plan started to fall apart.
Zig, I had the town almost kill me for longer, substantial posts and I have promised to play different. However, I have just as much backup as you. Just trying to be easier to play with. Even you called me a slime ball and glossed over my posts Day 1.
I would be happy to provide full logic and reason but the difference right now is that even the limited reasoning I posted makes sense. You have to post more because you are trying to make some real stretches to save your life. I've never
I will give you and your friends points for creativity but at the end of the day, the truth will out. You would have been much better served trying to fake immediately at the start of Day2 instead of when your plan started to fall apart.
I would like to hear your full logic and reason Viking. Would give us more to work with.
Zig, I had the town almost kill me for longer, substantial posts and I have promised to play different. However, I have just as much backup as you. Just trying to be easier to play with. Even you called me a slime ball and glossed over my posts Day 1.
I would be happy to provide full logic and reason but the difference right now is that even the limited reasoning I posted makes sense. You have to post more because you are trying to make some real stretches to save your life. I've never
I will give you and your friends points for creativity but at the end of the day, the truth will out. You would have been much better served trying to fake immediately at the start of Day2 instead of when your plan started to fall apart.
I would like to hear your full logic and reason Viking. Would give us more to work with.
Fair enough. Still on my mobile atm. Will post it when I get to my computer. Wrapping up a golf tournament today hence posting has been limited.
