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Dont give a shit about your taste. Get over yourself.
This isn't about me, LP! If you're ok with this brand of mediocrity, I get why you still defend Bonnaroo.
I recognize that not every fucking thing is for me. Some things that I may not enjoy, can be popular. While other things that I do like, may not be popular at all.
You call people with different tastes than yours "mediocre," I call that phenomenon "I dont give a shit."
This isn't about me, LP! If you're ok with this brand of mediocrity, I get why you still defend Bonnaroo.
I recognize that not every fucking thing is for me. Some things that I may not enjoy, can be popular. While other things that I do like, may not be popular at all.
You call people with different tastes than yours "mediocre," I call that phenomenon "I dont give a shit."
You consider things that are well reviewed and rare as unpopular. That's also not true. This past weekend at Coachella proved (as always) that there's an audience for it.
I recognize that not every fucking thing is for me. Some things that I may not enjoy, can be popular. While other things that I do like, may not be popular at all.
You call people with different tastes than yours "mediocre," I call that phenomenon "I dont give a shit."
You consider things that are well reviewed and rare as unpopular. That's also not true. This past weekend at Coachella proved (as always) that there's an audience for it.
I consider things that most people have never heard of and dont sell many tickets to be unpopular. Moderat could not sell out a 3,000 person venue in Manhattan between Coachella weekends. Meaning they are not exactly a huge draw.
Acts can be unpopular and I can still like them. Taste and popularity have absolutely nothing to do with one another.
You consider things that are well reviewed and rare as unpopular. That's also not true. This past weekend at Coachella proved (as always) that there's an audience for it.
I consider things that most people have never heard of and dont sell many tickets to be unpopular. Moderat could not sell out a 3,000 person venue in Manhattan between Coachella weekends. Meaning they are not exactly a huge draw.
Acts can be unpopular and I can still like them. Taste and popularity have absolutely nothing to do with one another.
There are plenty of people like me who are as me who just as fed up with acts like Odezsa. I don't care about ticket sales. You and I are not in this business so we really shouldn't care for profit. I, like you, am a consumer. I want the best. I don't want Porter every fucking time. He's really not that interesting. When festivals aim to satisfy everyone though and book both, tose are usually the best.
I consider things that most people have never heard of and dont sell many tickets to be unpopular. Moderat could not sell out a 3,000 person venue in Manhattan between Coachella weekends. Meaning they are not exactly a huge draw.
Acts can be unpopular and I can still like them. Taste and popularity have absolutely nothing to do with one another.
There are plenty of people like me who are as me who just as fed up with acts like Odezsa. I don't care about ticket sales. You and I are not in this business so we really shouldn't care for profit. I, like you, am a consumer. I want the best. I don't want Porter every fucking time. He's really not that interesting. When festivals aim to satisfy everyone though and book both, tose are usually the best.
The *best* is subjective. If you see a lineup you dont like, just dont go. I dont care about your taste man. Sorry. I like what I like and if other people do too, cool, if not, I dont care. Different strokes.
You realize this debate (which we are now in round 300 of) started over a discussion of Bonnaroo ticket sales and Mysteryland cancelling? If you dont care about ticket sales, maybe you shouldnt have engaged in this conversation about ticket sales?
same, out of all the "cheese" edm, they're one of my favorites.
Is it really cheese? I dunno. I consider Chainsmokers, Martin Garrix, and all those "wait for the beat to drop!" DJs to be cheese.
Odesza, Flume, ect might be overexposed in the US, but to me they are still just chill. They dont yell at me to "get my fuckin hands up" at their live shows.
I am sure others have a difference of opinion though. Oh well.
Odesza definitely isn't cheese but the cheese fans do love them. I had a great time at their show at Bonnaroo 2015 (RTJ preceded them so maybe I was still excited from that). That said I'm sure their crowds at a festival now would be very annoying. But good solid chill EDM imo.
I consider things that most people have never heard of and dont sell many tickets to be unpopular. Moderat could not sell out a 3,000 person venue in Manhattan between Coachella weekends. Meaning they are not exactly a huge draw.
Acts can be unpopular and I can still like them. Taste and popularity have absolutely nothing to do with one another.
There are plenty of people like me who are as me who just as fed up with acts like Odezsa. I don't care about ticket sales. You and I are not in this business so we really shouldn't care for profit. I, like you, am a consumer. I want the best. I don't want Porter every fucking time. He's really not that interesting. When festivals aim to satisfy everyone though and book both, tose are usually the best.
If you are argument is that festivals should be curtailing line ups solely for the consumer, any consumer at that, then is that not what they are doing by booking Bassnectars, Porters, Odesza, ect because they sell out more...TO THE CONSUMER.
The number of "Plenty of people like me" are greatly outweighed by the number of "Ticket Sales."
Or is your value as a consumer bigger than everyone else?
I think some or probably most people under estimate how incredibly hard and challenging it must be to book ANYTHING let alone entire festivals. I would imagine the dream line for "x festival" at the start of booking will end up containing only a handful of available artists. Coachella is the most on brand name festival in the US so I imagine 99% of artists will keep those weekends and open and touring schedules friendly just for the chance to land on the line up. Being booked at something in the middle like this fest, Hangout, M.I.A, FYF, ect probably will have more to do with convenience and most important, $$$.
There are plenty of people like me who are as me who just as fed up with acts like Odezsa. I don't care about ticket sales. You and I are not in this business so we really shouldn't care for profit. I, like you, am a consumer. I want the best. I don't want Porter every fucking time. He's really not that interesting. When festivals aim to satisfy everyone though and book both, tose are usually the best.
The *best* is subjective. If you see a lineup you dont like, just dont go. I dont care about your taste man. Sorry. I like what I like and if other people do too, cool, if not, I dont care. Different strokes.
You realize this debate (which we are now in round 300 of) started over a discussion of Bonnaroo ticket sales and Mysteryland cancelling? If you dont care about ticket sales, maybe you shouldnt have engaged in this conversation about ticket sales?
If I ever mentioned anything it was that Coachella always sales out. I didn't mention sales for Moderat at Pappy & Harriets (as in your go to "NYC club show draw"). My original point was Coachella found success in including these kinds of acts. You yourself are saying you enjoy music that is unpopular and I would assume would even enjoying seeing some of them at your favorite festival.
Otherwise festival culture will just turn the likes of mainstream radio all over again.
There are plenty of people like me who are as me who just as fed up with acts like Odezsa. I don't care about ticket sales. You and I are not in this business so we really shouldn't care for profit. I, like you, am a consumer. I want the best. I don't want Porter every fucking time. He's really not that interesting. When festivals aim to satisfy everyone though and book both, tose are usually the best.
If you are argument is that festivals should be curtailing line ups solely for the consumer, any consumer at that, then is that not what they are doing by booking Bassnectars, Porters, Odesza, ect because they sell out more...TO THE CONSUMER.
The number of "Plenty of people like me" are greatly outweighed by the number of "Ticket Sales."
Or is your value as a consumer bigger than everyone else?
I think some or probably most people under estimate how incredibly hard and challenging it must be to book ANYTHING let alone entire festivals. I would imagine the dream line for "x festival" at the start of booking will end up containing only a handful of available artists. Coachella is the most on brand name festival in the US so I imagine 99% of artists will keep those weekends and open and touring schedules friendly just for the chance to land on the line up. Being booked at something in the middle like this fest, Hangout, M.I.A, FYF, ect probably will have more to do with convenience and most important, $$$.
this is just insane. I thought about taking the morning off to try for this but decided against it. Good thing cause I wouldn't even have gotten close.
Think I would rather see them at a festival with full stage production and a full setlist. These "buy the album and get a wristband" shows at Rough Trade usually are pretty short. We'll see.
this is just insane. I thought about taking the morning off to try for this but decided against it. Good thing cause I wouldn't even have gotten close.
Think I would rather see them at a festival with full stage production and a full setlist. These "buy the album and get a wristband" shows at Rough Trade usually are pretty short. We'll see.
Yeah those Rough Trade album release shows are usually only 4-5 songs... Venue only holds 200-300 people too. Some of those folks are gonna get screwed. Cant even imagine how much it would suck to wait all day/night in the rain only to not get in. Id be furious.
this is just insane. I thought about taking the morning off to try for this but decided against it. Good thing cause I wouldn't even have gotten close.
Think I would rather see them at a festival with full stage production and a full setlist. These "buy the album and get a wristband" shows at Rough Trade usually are pretty short. We'll see.
Yeah those Rough Trade album release shows are usually only 4-5 songs... Venue only holds 200-300 people too. Some of those folks are gonna get screwed. Cant even imagine how much it would suck to wait all day/night in the rain only to not get in. Id be furious.
It's rough. Not exactly the same, but I waited in line for Courtney Barnett last year when Sunday of GB got cancelled and there was like 30 minutes of downpour. I just barely got in, but there were two 19-year-old girls right in front of me who waited the whole time and then realized it was 21+ right as we were getting to the entrance and had to leave. I felt so bad.
Yeah those Rough Trade album release shows are usually only 4-5 songs... Venue only holds 200-300 people too. Some of those folks are gonna get screwed. Cant even imagine how much it would suck to wait all day/night in the rain only to not get in. Id be furious.
It's rough. Not exactly the same, but I waited in line for Courtney Barnett last year when Sunday of GB got cancelled and there was like 30 minutes of downpour. I just barely got in, but there were two 19-year-old girls right in front of me who waited the whole time and then realized it was 21+ right as we were getting to the entrance and had to leave. I felt so bad.
Ouch. That sucks. I'm still bummed about missing that day for Gov Ball. I thought about staying that night and checking other shit out but ultimately just drove home.
Yeah those Rough Trade album release shows are usually only 4-5 songs... Venue only holds 200-300 people too. Some of those folks are gonna get screwed. Cant even imagine how much it would suck to wait all day/night in the rain only to not get in. Id be furious.
It's rough. Not exactly the same, but I waited in line for Courtney Barnett last year when Sunday of GB got cancelled and there was like 30 minutes of downpour. I just barely got in, but there were two 19-year-old girls right in front of me who waited the whole time and then realized it was 21+ right as we were getting to the entrance and had to leave. I felt so bad.
Damn. I got caught in the downpour that day waiting for Prophets of Rage at Warsaw too. That storm didnt last long but was no joke. To stand around through all that and not get in must have really sucked. Poor kids.
There are plenty of people like me who are as me who just as fed up with acts like Odezsa. I don't care about ticket sales. You and I are not in this business so we really shouldn't care for profit. I, like you, am a consumer. I want the best. I don't want Porter every fucking time. He's really not that interesting. When festivals aim to satisfy everyone though and book both, tose are usually the best.
If you are argument is that festivals should be curtailing line ups solely for the consumer, any consumer at that, then is that not what they are doing by booking Bassnectars, Porters, Odesza, ect because they sell out more...TO THE CONSUMER.
The number of "Plenty of people like me" are greatly outweighed by the number of "Ticket Sales."
Or is your value as a consumer bigger than everyone else?
I think some or probably most people under estimate how incredibly hard and challenging it must be to book ANYTHING let alone entire festivals. I would imagine the dream line for "x festival" at the start of booking will end up containing only a handful of available artists. Coachella is the most on brand name festival in the US so I imagine 99% of artists will keep those weekends and open and touring schedules friendly just for the chance to land on the line up. Being booked at something in the middle like this fest, Hangout, M.I.A, FYF, ect probably will have more to do with convenience and most important, $$$.
My argument is that the best festivals include these kinds of acts and I feel that has something to do with why they continue to be successful. The minute a festival isolates itself solely with the kinds of acts you mentioned, they tend to not do as well. Last year's Bonnaroo lineup was proof of that. While I admit those acts move tickets, a fest would still miss out on potential/existing customers by not including more rare/unique acts as well. I know not everyone is willing to settle.
Maybe Kendrick/Travis Scott/Dram all show up on one day?
I would think the combination of that Barclays show in July + his appearance at Panorama last year would rule him out.
Kanye did two shows at MSG in September and then played Meadows in Oct last year. I think Kendrick on this album cycle can drive ticket sales to this even with an arena date in-market. Plus he's only doing one NYC-area show, which seems kind of odd considering his popularity here.
If you are argument is that festivals should be curtailing line ups solely for the consumer, any consumer at that, then is that not what they are doing by booking Bassnectars, Porters, Odesza, ect because they sell out more...TO THE CONSUMER.
The number of "Plenty of people like me" are greatly outweighed by the number of "Ticket Sales."
Or is your value as a consumer bigger than everyone else?
I think some or probably most people under estimate how incredibly hard and challenging it must be to book ANYTHING let alone entire festivals. I would imagine the dream line for "x festival" at the start of booking will end up containing only a handful of available artists. Coachella is the most on brand name festival in the US so I imagine 99% of artists will keep those weekends and open and touring schedules friendly just for the chance to land on the line up. Being booked at something in the middle like this fest, Hangout, M.I.A, FYF, ect probably will have more to do with convenience and most important, $$$.
My argument is that the best festivals include these kinds of acts and I feel that has something to do with why they continue to be successful. The minute a festival isolates itself solely with the kinds of acts you mentioned, they tend to not do as well. Last year's Bonnaroo lineup was proof of that. While I admit those acts move tickets, a fest would still miss out on potential/existing customers by not including more rare/unique acts as well. I know not everyone is willing to settle.
I can agree with that for the most part. I'm also too tired to do any more extrapolating.
Okay I take it back, I do not like this new Odesza song at all.
Same. Sounds like Odesza does chainsmokers
Maybe they just made a pop song for a single, and they have other material similar to their old stuff on the rest of the album? Either way, this is disappointing.
It sounds like one of the songs that wasn't even "good enough" to make it on the Chainsmoekrs album. This song should be buried and never played again (and sadly that isn't exaggeration).
