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I'm by no means an enormous Depeche Mode fan but if your question boils down to "Is Radiohead or Depeche Mode" the bigger booking?" it's Depeche Mode.
Believe the only U.S. fests they've played is Coachella 2006 and Lollapalooza 2009 (billed #1 overall). Those 3 Hollywood Bowl shows (20k venue)? Sold out instantly .
No.
The fact that they've played fewer festivals (they also played ACL in 2013) is far outweighed by the fact that they blanket every corner of North America in stand-alone shows on every tour. It's been a lot cheaper and easier to see them, no matter where you live, than it has been to see Radiohead over the last decade. Rarer festival appearances doesn't automatically translate to a bigger booking, and there's no way a DM booking pushes any US festival in ticket sales more than RH would.
Having bought tickets to multiple destinations for both acts in the last few months for their current tours, the Radiohead tickets were a LOT harder to get, and actually held their value or increased for the most part. And yes, that's after correcting for the fewer RH shows on this tour. A large majority of the DM shows in the US not only didn't sell out, but haven't even come close. Loads of tickets still remain for 95% of their NA shows. I'd bet you'll be able to get tickets to every non-NY/LA show for $30-40 or less easily, and good seats will be had for less than face value pretty much everywhere.
The demand for DM isn't close to what it currently is for RH and it's not competitive at all.
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I'm by no means an enormous Depeche Mode fan but if your question boils down to "Is Radiohead or Depeche Mode" the bigger booking?" it's Depeche Mode.
Believe the only U.S. fests they've played is Coachella 2006 and Lollapalooza 2009 (billed #1 overall). Those 3 Hollywood Bowl shows (20k venue)? Sold out instantly .
No.
The fact that they've played fewer festivals (they also played ACL in 2013) is far outweighed by the fact that they blanket every corner of North America in stand-alone shows on every tour. It's been a lot cheaper and easier to see them, no matter where you live, than it has been to see Radiohead over the last decade. Rarer festival appearances doesn't automatically translate to a bigger booking, and there's no way a DM booking pushes any US festival in ticket sales more than RH would.
Having bought tickets to multiple destinations for both acts in the last few months for their current tours, the Radiohead tickets were a LOT harder to get, and actually held their value or increased for the most part. And yes, that's after correcting for the fewer RH shows on this tour. A large majority of the DM shows in the US not only didn't sell out, but haven't even come close. Loads of tickets still remain for 95% of their NA shows. I'd bet you'll be able to get tickets to every non-NY/LA show for $30-40 or less easily, and good seats will be had for less than face value pretty much everywhere.
The demand for DM isn't close to what it currently is for RH and it's not competitive at all.
My goal isn't to get into a major argument here given this is a somewhat irrelevant point, but the last time Depeche Mode toured was late 2013 and they sold out every U.S. show on that tour. So, you've proven nothing to be about demand other than it was supposedly easy to buy tickets to their 2017 tour this fall (I live in LA, all 3 shows sold out instantly, so wasn't easy here).
Also, you are using a SUPPLY SIDE argument to make a DEMAND conclusion. You say because Depeche Mode tours a lot and Radiohead has fewer shows, there is less demand? I don't know, man. All I'm saying is there isn't a festival promoter that wouldn't book them as #1 overall no matter what hypothetical pull you think they have or don't have.
The fact that they've played fewer festivals (they also played ACL in 2013) is far outweighed by the fact that they blanket every corner of North America in stand-alone shows on every tour. It's been a lot cheaper and easier to see them, no matter where you live, than it has been to see Radiohead over the last decade. Rarer festival appearances doesn't automatically translate to a bigger booking, and there's no way a DM booking pushes any US festival in ticket sales more than RH would.
Having bought tickets to multiple destinations for both acts in the last few months for their current tours, the Radiohead tickets were a LOT harder to get, and actually held their value or increased for the most part. And yes, that's after correcting for the fewer RH shows on this tour. A large majority of the DM shows in the US not only didn't sell out, but haven't even come close. Loads of tickets still remain for 95% of their NA shows. I'd bet you'll be able to get tickets to every non-NY/LA show for $30-40 or less easily, and good seats will be had for less than face value pretty much everywhere.
The demand for DM isn't close to what it currently is for RH and it's not competitive at all.
My goal isn't to get into a major argument here given this is a somewhat irrelevant point, but the last time Depeche Mode toured was late 2013 and they sold out every U.S. show on that tour. So, you've proven nothing to be about demand other than it was supposedly easy to buy tickets to their 2017 tour this fall (I live in LA, all 3 shows sold out instantly, so wasn't easy here).
Also, you are using a SUPPLY SIDE argument to make a DEMAND conclusion. You say because Depeche Mode tours a lot and Radiohead has fewer shows, there is less demand? I don't know, man. All I'm saying is there isn't a festival promoter that wouldn't book them as #1 overall no matter what hypothetical pull you think they have or don't have.
Agree on all points. The debate here is kind of pointless, but if Depeche Mode were to take 5 years off from touring and only played a handful of shows, the demand would be insane. If you've ever been to a Depeche Mode show you'd also be aware that there is a substantial percentage of attendees who are psychopathic and would pay any price (monetary or otherwise) to be there. How they'd draw at Coachella is kind of an immaterial gauge of their overall popularity.
Radiohead is in that upper echelon of acts (Macca, Waters, Kanye, Prince, Bowie, Beyoncé) whose cost and mass appeal demand the #1 spot of every lineup. That's probably why we don't see them together. As far as traditional shows go, costs for Kanye were still reasonable up to the point he was here and many seats were left empty. I would expect that from a weeknight Kanye show in Dallas though. Seeing these kinds of acts at fests is different. The buzz for these acts exceeds the festival itself at that point. They move tickets and and give brands immediate recognition.
The fact that they've played fewer festivals (they also played ACL in 2013) is far outweighed by the fact that they blanket every corner of North America in stand-alone shows on every tour. It's been a lot cheaper and easier to see them, no matter where you live, than it has been to see Radiohead over the last decade. Rarer festival appearances doesn't automatically translate to a bigger booking, and there's no way a DM booking pushes any US festival in ticket sales more than RH would.
Having bought tickets to multiple destinations for both acts in the last few months for their current tours, the Radiohead tickets were a LOT harder to get, and actually held their value or increased for the most part. And yes, that's after correcting for the fewer RH shows on this tour. A large majority of the DM shows in the US not only didn't sell out, but haven't even come close. Loads of tickets still remain for 95% of their NA shows. I'd bet you'll be able to get tickets to every non-NY/LA show for $30-40 or less easily, and good seats will be had for less than face value pretty much everywhere.
The demand for DM isn't close to what it currently is for RH and it's not competitive at all.
My goal isn't to get into a major argument here given this is a somewhat irrelevant point, but the last time Depeche Mode toured was late 2013 and they sold out every U.S. show on that tour. So, you've proven nothing to be about demand other than it was supposedly easy to buy tickets to their 2017 tour this fall (I live in LA, all 3 shows sold out instantly, so wasn't easy here).
Also, you are using a SUPPLY SIDE argument to make a DEMAND conclusion. You say because Depeche Mode tours a lot and Radiohead has fewer shows, there is less demand? I don't know, man. All I'm saying is there isn't a festival promoter that wouldn't book them as #1 overall no matter what hypothetical pull you think they have or don't have.
"Supposedly." Are you actually this ignorant about something you're trying to argue about, or are you playing dumb for fun? Who gives a shit about 2013 when we have apples to apples comparisons from 2017?
RH sold out every show on their spring tour within minutes or hours of going on sale. Same with the 2016 fall tour. DM tickets have been on sale for FIVE WEEKS, and they're still available at 95%+ of the dates they're playing. Their 2 NYC shows at MSG still have lots of tickets avail and that's the easiest market in the world to sell out. Toronto not sold out. Chicago not sold out. Vancouver not sold out. ALMOST EVERY OTHER FUCKING CITY ON THE DM TOUR has not sold out.
It takes an IQ of about 22 to go to the Depeche Mode ticketmaster page and click around for a few minutes to see the proof with your own eyes. If you're not capable of doing that and have to pretend that 3 Bowl dates are the rule rather than a clear exception, then maybe don't go making retarded proclamations that are easily disproven.
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I say book AF before they have the chance to lose value.
You mean like they did with Muse last time they played?
If they're going with both AF and Tame in the next two years, I think it would work out better to go with a Tame fresh off a new album in '17 and a year old AF rather than the other way around. AF's value is fine no matter when, can't say the same for Tame.
I say book AF before they have the chance to lose value. Let Tame impala's stock grow even more for 2019.
I just think the fact that they're going to supposedly be ending their tour in April 2019 is a big tipoff. I'm guessing we'll get a U.S. tour w/ some fests next summer and then international dates before coming back to close things out at Coachella
Are VW a headliner without Rostam? Maybe I'm just still upset he left.
His departure won't really hurt them popularity-wise, especially when he'll still be all over the next album. Odds are people will still love the next album and I'd be willing to bet that they headline at least one major fest next year.
I say book AF before they have the chance to lose value.
You mean like they did with Muse last time they played?
If they're going with both AF and Tame in the next two years, I think it would work out better to go with a Tame fresh off a new album in '17 and a year old AF rather than the other way around. AF's value is fine no matter when, can't say the same for Tame.
They just ended the Currents touring cycle at Laneway. Pond will still be touring this album next year. Tame are going to take a break. Kevin Parker will probably do more big name production jobs like Gaga before they commit to another album. I'm sure there are ideas, but they are far from completing an album this year.
It's also a possibility that Arcade signed a deal that would have them at Coachella two years after pano. We know they will put out new music soon. If that were the case then Tame could have done the same for 2019, allowing time to finish the album.
Edit: and I would argue that Tame could surpass Arcade. Their sound is slightly dated at this point and Parker grows with every release. Can't say the same for AF.
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You mean like they did with Muse last time they played?
If they're going with both AF and Tame in the next two years, I think it would work out better to go with a Tame fresh off a new album in '17 and a year old AF rather than the other way around. AF's value is fine no matter when, can't say the same for Tame.
They just ended the Currents touring cycle at Laneway. Pond will still be touring this album next year. Tame are going to take a break. Kevin Parker will probably do more big name production jobs like Gaga before they commit to another album. I'm sure there are ideas, but they are far from completing an album this year.
It's also a possibility that Arcade signed a deal that would have them at Coachella two years after pano. We know they will put out new music soon. If that were the case then Tame could have done the same for 2019, allowing time to finish the album.
Edit: and I would argue that Tame could surpass Arcade. Their sound is slightly dated at this point and Parker grows with every release. Can't say the same for AF.
they said laneway would be the final currents show, then pano got announced. i wouldnt take the hiatus super seriously.
They just ended the Currents touring cycle at Laneway. Pond will still be touring this album next year. Tame are going to take a break. Kevin Parker will probably do more big name production jobs like Gaga before they commit to another album. I'm sure there are ideas, but they are far from completing an album this year.
It's also a possibility that Arcade signed a deal that would have them at Coachella two years after pano. We know they will put out new music soon. If that were the case then Tame could have done the same for 2019, allowing time to finish the album.
Edit: and I would argue that Tame could surpass Arcade. Their sound is slightly dated at this point and Parker grows with every release. Can't say the same for AF.
they said laneway would be the final currents show, then pano got announced. i wouldnt take the hiatus super seriously.
It wouldn't make sense for them to come back and headline a show they premiered at Coachella 2 years ago. They need new material. And it's not a hiatus. Pond will be active next year. They won't have the time. A one-off date is different, but they won't headline this festival until they have a new album to promote.
Beyoncé A Tribe Called Quest alt-j Major Lazer Flying Lotus Mygos
Depeche Mode * Frank Ocean The National Kaskade Aphex Twin Odeza Run the Jewels Soulwax
Arcade Fire Lana Del Rey The Chainsmokers Fleet Foxes Kygo Big Sean Royal Blood
Major Lazer and Kaskade won't get the boot down to fourth name on their day. Major Lazer will either stay where they were or be 2nd billed and I think Kaskade would headline next time he plays like Calvin. Other than that, this lokks really awesome. Hoping for Soulwax
Beyoncé A Tribe Called Quest alt-j Major Lazer Flying Lotus Mygos
Depeche Mode * Frank Ocean The National Kaskade Aphex Twin Odeza Run the Jewels Soulwax
Arcade Fire Lana Del Rey The Chainsmokers Fleet Foxes Kygo Big Sean Royal Blood
Major Lazer and Kaskade won't get the boot down to fourth name on their day. Major Lazer will either stay where they were or be 2nd billed and I think Kaskade would headline next time he plays like Calvin. Other than that, this lokks really awesome. Hoping for Soulwax
Kaskade went from being 11 to 17 at Lolla in the span of two years, and that's a festival where he has a hometown advantage. He's definitely not headlining.
Post by Swedish Chef on Apr 20, 2017 21:20:32 GMT -5
I think Vampire Weekend is much more likely than Arcade Fire or Tame Impala next year. They haven't played since 2013, and they were 3rd on their day. If the new album is even remotely successful, they could co-headline with someone like Chance or Frank.
Beyoncé A Tribe Called Quest alt-j Major Lazer Flying Lotus Mygos
Depeche Mode * Frank Ocean The National Kaskade Aphex Twin Odeza Run the Jewels Soulwax
Arcade Fire Lana Del Rey The Chainsmokers Fleet Foxes Kygo Big Sean Royal Blood
Major Lazer and Kaskade won't get the boot down to fourth name on their day. Major Lazer will either stay where they were or be 2nd billed and I think Kaskade would headline next time he plays like Calvin. Other than that, this lokks really awesome. Hoping for Soulwax
Yeah I didn't put much thought into placement. I was trying to produce a realistic mainstage top 3. I would consider Soulwax a lock given the Deewee's history with GV. I could see them playing the main too.
A mainstage that went Soulwax - ATCQ - Depeche Mode would be rad.
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Major Lazer and Kaskade won't get the boot down to fourth name on their day. Major Lazer will either stay where they were or be 2nd billed and I think Kaskade would headline next time he plays like Calvin. Other than that, this lokks really awesome. Hoping for Soulwax
Yeah I didn't put much thought into placement. I was trying to produce a realistic mainstage top 3. I would consider Soulwax a lock given the Deewee's history with GV. I could see them playing the main too.
A mainstage that went Soulwax - ATCQ - Depeche Mode would be rad.
Yeah I didn't put much thought into placement. I was trying to produce a realistic mainstage top 3. I would consider Soulwax a lock given the Deewee's history with GV. I could see them playing the main too.
A mainstage that went Soulwax - ATCQ - Depeche Mode would be rad.
Soulwax would get stuck in the mojave v beyonce
Well geez, I hope they make it out.
Edit: Their setup would look pretty on the main and would fit that Hot Chip spot perfectly. They will probably require the dark though. Against Beyoncé is fine.
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My goal isn't to get into a major argument here given this is a somewhat irrelevant point, but the last time Depeche Mode toured was late 2013 and they sold out every U.S. show on that tour. So, you've proven nothing to be about demand other than it was supposedly easy to buy tickets to their 2017 tour this fall (I live in LA, all 3 shows sold out instantly, so wasn't easy here).
Also, you are using a SUPPLY SIDE argument to make a DEMAND conclusion. You say because Depeche Mode tours a lot and Radiohead has fewer shows, there is less demand? I don't know, man. All I'm saying is there isn't a festival promoter that wouldn't book them as #1 overall no matter what hypothetical pull you think they have or don't have.
"Supposedly." Are you actually this ignorant about something you're trying to argue about, or are you playing dumb for fun? Who gives a shit about 2013 when we have apples to apples comparisons from 2017?
RH sold out every show on their spring tour within minutes or hours of going on sale. Same with the 2016 fall tour. DM tickets have been on sale for FIVE WEEKS, and they're still available at 95%+ of the dates they're playing. Their 2 NYC shows at MSG still have lots of tickets avail and that's the easiest market in the world to sell out. Toronto not sold out. Chicago not sold out. Vancouver not sold out. ALMOST EVERY OTHER FUCKING CITY ON THE DM TOUR has not sold out.
It takes an IQ of about 22 to go to the Depeche Mode ticketmaster page and click around for a few minutes to see the proof with your own eyes. If you're not capable of doing that and have to pretend that 3 Bowl dates are the rule rather than a clear exception, then maybe don't go making retarded proclamations that are easily disproven.
I care nothing for the subject at hand tbh, but your vocab seems well off enough that you probably have a substitute for 'not smart'.
My goal isn't to get into a major argument here given this is a somewhat irrelevant point, but the last time Depeche Mode toured was late 2013 and they sold out every U.S. show on that tour. So, you've proven nothing to be about demand other than it was supposedly easy to buy tickets to their 2017 tour this fall (I live in LA, all 3 shows sold out instantly, so wasn't easy here).
Also, you are using a SUPPLY SIDE argument to make a DEMAND conclusion. You say because Depeche Mode tours a lot and Radiohead has fewer shows, there is less demand? I don't know, man. All I'm saying is there isn't a festival promoter that wouldn't book them as #1 overall no matter what hypothetical pull you think they have or don't have.
"Supposedly." Are you actually this ignorant about something you're trying to argue about, or are you playing dumb for fun? Who gives a shit about 2013 when we have apples to apples comparisons from 2017?
RH sold out every show on their spring tour within minutes or hours of going on sale. Same with the 2016 fall tour. DM tickets have been on sale for FIVE WEEKS, and they're still available at 95%+ of the dates they're playing. Their 2 NYC shows at MSG still have lots of tickets avail and that's the easiest market in the world to sell out. Toronto not sold out. Chicago not sold out. Vancouver not sold out. ALMOST EVERY OTHER FUCKING CITY ON THE DM TOUR has not sold out.
It takes an IQ of about 22 to go to the Depeche Mode ticketmaster page and click around for a few minutes to see the proof with your own eyes. If you're not capable of doing that and have to pretend that 3 Bowl dates are the rule rather than a clear exception, then maybe don't go making retarded proclamations that are easily disproven.
Chill dude. Not going to waste my time posting on responses like that.
