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At this point the least they can do is give him better placement on the by-day poster along with something like a 5, 6PM set. Watch them stick him in the tent
Interesting. This is basically what happened with Tame Impala at Panorama last year, and I feel like that went pretty well. TOOL was also something of an adventurous booking - sure, they have a big and passionate fan base, but it's also not the typical festival crowd (as evidenced by the turnout on Sunday).
I think it's always going to be a bit of a balancing act. The big festivals are never going to pass up a larger act like a Beyonce, Jay-Z, or Eminem (yes, everyone's kind of down on it now, but if his new album had been any good, I think the vibe would be much different). I feel like both GovBall and Pano did it right last year - a couple of safe bets, a couple of legacy acts, and then a couple of chances taken on artists stepping up to the big time.
Really hope this crossed off name isn't some filler name that's played everywhere under the sun and actually enhances the lineup. With Travis Scott as a weak #3, another good get in the top 6-7 could go a long way.
It still baffles me that an average festival in Europe (Open'er as example here) can have Bruno Mars, Depeche Mode and Gorillaz as headliners, which is far more interesting than most of the American festivals been announcing so far. Is it laziness, the fact that no matter what, people always will come no matter how the line up turns out across the ocean? Is it laziness, that no matter which pop/rap artist you'll give a high ass billing due to breaking through the mainstream, people are still not questioning what the heck is wrong (Khalid, SZA etc etc..) Is it the mentality of people in America just like that that's so different, is it still about the music or just the #vibes and being there just to have a good time? How's it so that major music festival try to attract the youth when, for every genre you could think of, there's multiple festivals from May till September? Do young people have that much more money in the US that they can afford to go that much festivals a year? Wouldn't it make more sense, business wise, to attract as much people as possible and also think of the people who are 25+ years old (who probably have a very different taste than people who're 16/18 years old). How is it possible that American festivals have such a high price? There are festivals, again take Open'er as example, where weekend tickets cost about half of what you need to pay to get into your average American festival. I mean, these are just a few thoughts regarding the whole American festival landscape, but like.. It's really something, when you think about it, isn't it?
It still baffles me that an average festival in Europe (Open'er as example here) can have Bruno Mars, Depeche Mode and Gorillaz as headliners, which is far more interesting than most of the American festivals been announcing so far. Is it laziness, the fact that no matter what, people always will come no matter how the line up turns out across the ocean? Is it laziness, that no matter which pop/rap artist you'll give a high ass billing due to breaking through the mainstream, people are still not questioning what the heck is wrong (Khalid, SZA etc etc..) Is it the mentality of people in America just like that that's so different, is it still about the music or just the #vibes and being there just to have a good time? How's it so that major music festival try to attract the youth when, for every genre you could think of, there's multiple festivals from May till September? Do young people have that much more money in the US that they can afford to go that much festivals a year? Wouldn't it make more sense, business wise, to attract as much people as possible and also think of the people who are 25+ years old (who probably have a very different taste than people who're 16/18 years old). How is it possible that American festivals have such a high price? There are festivals, again take Open'er as example, where weekend tickets cost about half of what you need to pay to get into your average American festival. I mean, these are just a few thoughts regarding the whole American festival landscape, but like.. It's really something, when you think about it, isn't it?
American festivals barely care about music anymore. It’s about pushing self interests. The dream is over.
Post by manoverboard on Jan 4, 2018 17:18:16 GMT -5
Agree with that article, festivals need to start taking chances. Some of my favorite headliner bookings in the past have been Phoenix at Coachella in 2013, Florence & The Machine at Lolla in 2015, Tame Impala at Panorama in 2017 and Vampire Weekend at Govball 2014. It's exciting to see younger acts make that leap to headliner status and see if they actually have what it takes.
This is why I'm very excited at the idea of Arctic Monkeys getting that 3 or 4 slot at Bonnaroo. It's time America stops sleeping on them.
Goldenvoice signaled their willingness in 2016 when they made him #2 at Buku behind Deadmau5. Buku is a smaller festival which plays to 14-15,000 annually. It's usually ahead of the curve for rappers. Day for Night followed up later billing him #3 behind Aphex Twin and Odesza. It's a smaller fest of around 15-20k people, and it's hometown for Travis. But the handwriting was on the walll. I've said it a million times that I find his auto tuning beyond annoying. But if he stayed in the limelight through 2017, there was no reason to think he wouldn't be in that 3-6 for major festivals this year. Also, because his shows are wild, even an old annoyed guy like me is willing to watch at least some of it because of the train wreck effect and because the punk rocker in me knows there will be stage diving, slam dancing and potential chaos with fires and props. I wouldn't put him down in the same sentence as legendary yet, but his shows are getting that type of review.
Fests like Coachella and Lolla sell out every year with the lineups they have and the price they have.
New fests here pop up all the time with great lineups. If they don't sell, they die. If they are successful they get bought out by AEG or Livenation, who further downgrade the lineups to whatever will sell the best at the biggest margin.
Post by manoverboard on Jan 4, 2018 17:30:34 GMT -5
Some fests like Coach and Lolla will sell out immediately regardless of who's headlining.
It's the smaller fests that should be taking these chances and be more conscious with their bookings, especially when it comes to rock headliners. Like, I LOVE Jack White, but I'm willing to bet these days an act like Tame Impala, Arctic Monkeys and The xx would have a much bigger draw with probably half the booking cost. I'm sure Panorama learned this last year when Tame drew a larger crowd than NIN.
I guarantee Travis gets a bigger turn out than Jack White. And I bet Jack cost a lot more.
Fests like Coachella and Lolla sell out every year with the lineups they have and the price they have.
New fests here pop up all the time with great lineups. If they don't sell, they die. If they are successful they get bought out by AEG or Livenation, who further downgrade the lineups to whatever will sell the best at the biggest margin.
The USA economy is based on capitalism.
Hope that helps!
This is when I'm thankful that neither of those companies bought Boston Calling
It still baffles me that an average festival in Europe (Open'er as example here) can have Bruno Mars, Depeche Mode and Gorillaz as headliners, which is far more interesting than most of the American festivals been announcing so far. Is it laziness, the fact that no matter what, people always will come no matter how the line up turns out across the ocean? Is it laziness, that no matter which pop/rap artist you'll give a high ass billing due to breaking through the mainstream, people are still not questioning what the heck is wrong (Khalid, SZA etc etc..) Is it the mentality of people in America just like that that's so different, is it still about the music or just the #vibes and being there just to have a good time? How's it so that major music festival try to attract the youth when, for every genre you could think of, there's multiple festivals from May till September? Do young people have that much more money in the US that they can afford to go that much festivals a year? Wouldn't it make more sense, business wise, to attract as much people as possible and also think of the people who are 25+ years old (who probably have a very different taste than people who're 16/18 years old). How is it possible that American festivals have such a high price? There are festivals, again take Open'er as example, where weekend tickets cost about half of what you need to pay to get into your average American festival. I mean, these are just a few thoughts regarding the whole American festival landscape, but like.. It's really something, when you think about it, isn't it?
The youth movement is the thing that I find fascinating/depressing. Not that the festivals would cater to young people - they have to go where their bread is buttered, and I get that - but that so many young people are able to go to all these festivals. I know I'm way beyond the oldness curve of your average festival-goer, but when I was in high school and college, I was broke as hell. I barely had money for gas, let alone a cool $300 to drop on a festival ticket, let alone enough disposable income to travel and go to multiple festivals. That kind of scratch wasn't even a possibility until I hit my early-to-mid-20s. So, how are all these kids today (I can't believe I just said that) able to afford all these festivals, thus skewing the demographics, thus leading the festival organizers to book, market, and run the events primarily to their tastes?
EDITED TO ADD: I'm not shitting on anyone who's under 21 and can make this work. Good for you. I just didn't know anyone back in the day with that level of disposable income...or, enough density of people my age at the time to fill out a festival ground, which is why the fests at that time were, I think, catering more to the 25-and-up crowd. I dunno. Ignore me.
Travis Scott is also supporting his headlining role with nation wide arena dates unlike AM who we were discussing earlier. That’s the real difference imo.
Fests like Coachella and Lolla sell out every year with the lineups they have and the price they have.
New fests here pop up all the time with great lineups. If they don't sell, they die. If they are successful they get bought out by AEG or Livenation, who further downgrade the lineups to whatever will sell the best at the biggest margin.
The USA economy is based on capitalism.
Hope that helps!
This is when I'm thankful that neither of those companies bought Boston Calling
I feel like once you book Eminem your company is in play (or will get bankrupted - RIP in peace Kansrocksas)
and more successful, not even close. he should be above uzi but at least that makes sense as far as being hot right now. he should absolutely be ahead of marley.
These are fair points. I guess personally, I don't really care too much about him and I haven't heard very good things about his live performances. I just can't see him higher than Lil Uzi.
and more successful, not even close. he should be above uzi but at least that makes sense as far as being hot right now. he should absolutely be ahead of marley.
These are fair points. I guess personally, I don't really care too much about him and I haven't heard very good things about his live performances. I just can't see him higher than Lil Uzi.
His live shows are fun as hell. I’ve seen 3 of them in 2017.
