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I swear, where do you come up with this stuff sometimes?
What the quack are you talking about? Most acts which have headlined the Super Bowl have announced an arena tour and on-sale dates on the Monday after the Super Bowl since Tom Petty in 2008.
As for the N'Sync speculation, I read that 2018 is some sort of anniversary for them and there was talk about them doing something. I suspect that at the very least it would be something in the halftime show.
And if Timberlake was doing the festivals, don't you think he would have shown up on a lineup by now, especially Coachella? In what universe do the Coachella bookers say, "Yeah, we'll take The Weeknd over Justin Timberlake"?
Not sure if you have followed this at all, but Timberlake is dropping a Folky/Country pop album next month. He will most likely tour by himself this year but it wont be with N'SYNC
If Jack White can headline Gov Ball, then I suppose QOTSA can headline Boston Calling.
There's some decent and interesting stuff on the Gov Ball undercard, but not necessarily the decent and interesting acts I'd choose (except for Margo Price). I really thought I'd be seeing the likes of Seratones, Pinegrove, (Sandy) Alex G, and The Lemon Twigs all over this year's undercards.
Pretty much anything which might fall under a "rocking Americana" umbrella has been missing from lineups -- My Morning Jacket, Ryan Adams, Dawes, Isbell, etc. have been MIA from all of the early lineup drops. I wonder if there actually is some sort of festival industry consensus to avoid acts/genres whose audiences skew a bit older, so as not to drive away younger fans uncomfortable by the presence of Gen X'ers and Baby Boomers at festivals.
I'm going into tomorrow with very low expectations, judging from all of the lineups I've seen so far, and hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
If Jack White can headline Gov Ball, then I suppose QOTSA can headline Boston Calling.
There's some decent and interesting stuff on the Gov Ball undercard, but not necessarily the decent and interesting acts I'd choose (except for Margo Price). I really thought I'd be seeing the likes of Seratones, Pinegrove, (Sandy) Alex G, and The Lemon Twigs all over this year's undercards.
Pretty much anything which might fall under a "rocking Americana" umbrella has been missing from lineups -- My Morning Jacket, Ryan Adams, Dawes, Isbell, etc. have been MIA from all of the early lineup drops. I wonder if there actually is some sort of festival industry consensus to avoid acts/genres whose audiences skew a bit older, so as not to drive away younger fans uncomfortable by the presence of Gen X'ers and Baby Boomers at festivals.
I'm going into tomorrow with very low expectations, judging from all of the lineups I've seen so far, and hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
Jesus this is the kind of shit I'm talking about. Young fans being "uncomfortable" with people older than them being at the same festival? Who even thinks like this?
What the quack are you talking about? Most acts which have headlined the Super Bowl have announced an arena tour and on-sale dates on the Monday after the Super Bowl since Tom Petty in 2008.
As for the N'Sync speculation, I read that 2018 is some sort of anniversary for them and there was talk about them doing something. I suspect that at the very least it would be something in the halftime show.
And if Timberlake was doing the festivals, don't you think he would have shown up on a lineup by now, especially Coachella? In what universe do the Coachella bookers say, "Yeah, we'll take The Weeknd over Justin Timberlake"?
You don’t make any sense about 90% of the times you post here and this isn’t any different.
Just like I didn't make any sense when I predicted Eminem headlining Boston Calling 2018 on May 31, 2017?
The fun of lineup speculation is looking at industry trends, recent show history in a market, touring schedules, and your own intuition. It's the NFL mock draft for music fans.
This is just like speculating about sports or politics. You think three moves ahead and see if you can figure out what's going to happen.
You don’t make any sense about 90% of the times you post here and this isn’t any different.
Just like I didn't make any sense when I predicted Eminem headlining Boston Calling 2018 on May 31, 2017?
The fun of lineup speculation is looking at industry trends, recent show history in a market, touring schedules, and your own intuition. It's the NFL mock draft for music fans.
This is just like speculating about sports or politics. You think three moves ahead and see if you can figure out what's going to happen.
Dude, you've predicted nearly every single band, plus The Smiths and Oasis, for this thing. You throw enough shit against a wall it's going to stick.
If Jack White can headline Gov Ball, then I suppose QOTSA can headline Boston Calling.
There's some decent and interesting stuff on the Gov Ball undercard, but not necessarily the decent and interesting acts I'd choose (except for Margo Price). I really thought I'd be seeing the likes of Seratones, Pinegrove, (Sandy) Alex G, and The Lemon Twigs all over this year's undercards.
Pretty much anything which might fall under a "rocking Americana" umbrella has been missing from lineups -- My Morning Jacket, Ryan Adams, Dawes, Isbell, etc. have been MIA from all of the early lineup drops. I wonder if there actually is some sort of festival industry consensus to avoid acts/genres whose audiences skew a bit older, so as not to drive away younger fans uncomfortable by the presence of Gen X'ers and Baby Boomers at festivals.
I'm going into tomorrow with very low expectations, judging from all of the lineups I've seen so far, and hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
Jesus this is the kind of shit I'm talking about. Young fans being "uncomfortable" with people older than them being at the same festival? Who even thinks like this?
OK, then offer some reasons why the big multi-genre fests are moving away like crazy from acts which draw a lot of fans over 40. If you're trying to sell as many tickets as possible, you'd aim for a lineup which hits as many eras and genres as possible. Look at the Coachella, Hangout, and Gov Ball lineups and you'll see that all of those lineups are phasing out acts which appeal to older music fans...acts which we still saw in festival lineups a couple of years ago.
As for younger people being uncomfortable around older people, when I was in high school or college, the last thing me and my friends wanted were people our parents' or grandparents' age around when we were partying in one way or another. I get it. It's perfectly normal to not want the old folks around at festivals, on spring break, at the club, whatever. And I wonder whether festivals are trying to create as hospitable an environment as possible for Millennials -- since they comprise the largest segment of the festival market -- by managing the lineups in a way that discourages older people from attending.
If I'm running a business, I want to maximize my profits. If festival promoters are backing away from the sort of acts which appeal strongly to older audiences and leaving short term dollars on the table by not selling an extra 5,000 tickets or so by bringing in acts that appeal to Boomers, the most logical reason for doing that is that the industry feels that there's long term financial advantage in creating a Millennial Wonderland which younger fans will want to return to year after year.
Jesus this is the kind of shit I'm talking about. Young fans being "uncomfortable" with people older than them being at the same festival? Who even thinks like this?
OK, then offer some reasons why the big multi-genre fests are moving away like crazy from acts which draw a lot of fans over 40. If you're trying to sell as many tickets as possible, you'd aim for a lineup which hits as many eras and genres as possible. Look at the Coachella, Hangout, and Gov Ball lineups and you'll see that all of those lineups are phasing out acts which appeal to older music fans...acts which we still saw in festival lineups a couple of years ago.
As for younger people being uncomfortable around older people, when I was in high school or college, the last thing me and my friends wanted were people our parents' or grandparents' age around when we were partying in one way or another. I get it. It's perfectly normal to not want the old folks around at festivals, on spring break, at the club, whatever. And I wonder whether festivals are trying to create as hospitable an environment as possible for Millennials -- since they comprise the largest segment of the festival market -- by managing the lineups in a way that discourages older people from attending.
If I'm running a business, I want to maximize my profits. If festival promoters are backing away from the sort of acts which appeal strongly to older audiences and leaving short term dollars on the table by not selling an extra 5,000 tickets or so by bringing in acts that appeal to Boomers, the most logical reason for doing that is that the industry feels that there's long term financial advantage in creating a Millennial Wonderland which younger fans will want to return to year after year.
Your biggest problem is you associate all acts that aren't Americana/Rock with being for teenagers. You're wrong.
Just like I didn't make any sense when I predicted Eminem headlining Boston Calling 2018 on May 31, 2017?
The fun of lineup speculation is looking at industry trends, recent show history in a market, touring schedules, and your own intuition. It's the NFL mock draft for music fans.
This is just like speculating about sports or politics. You think three moves ahead and see if you can figure out what's going to happen.
Dude, you've predicted nearly every single band, plus The Smiths and Oasis, for this thing. You throw enough shit against a wall it's going to stick.
That's ridiculous. I predicted Oasis and The Smiths (if either reunited), Eminem, and Lorde in headlining spots for 2018. That's all.
There was considerable talk of Oasis reuniting a year ago, the prediction made sense at the time.
Jesus this is the kind of shit I'm talking about. Young fans being "uncomfortable" with people older than them being at the same festival? Who even thinks like this?
OK, then offer some reasons why the big multi-genre fests are moving away like crazy from acts which draw a lot of fans over 40. If you're trying to sell as many tickets as possible, you'd aim for a lineup which hits as many eras and genres as possible. Look at the Coachella, Hangout, and Gov Ball lineups and you'll see that all of those lineups are phasing out acts which appeal to older music fans...acts which we still saw in festival lineups a couple of years ago.
As for younger people being uncomfortable around older people, when I was in high school or college, the last thing me and my friends wanted were people our parents' or grandparents' age around when we were partying in one way or another. I get it. It's perfectly normal to not want the old folks around at festivals, on spring break, at the club, whatever. And I wonder whether festivals are trying to create as hospitable an environment as possible for Millennials -- since they comprise the largest segment of the festival market -- by managing the lineups in a way that discourages older people from attending.
If I'm running a business, I want to maximize my profits. If festival promoters are backing away from the sort of acts which appeal strongly to older audiences and leaving short term dollars on the table by not selling an extra 5,000 tickets or so by bringing in acts that appeal to Boomers, the most logical reason for doing that is that the industry feels that there's long term financial advantage in creating a Millennial Wonderland which younger fans will want to return to year after year.
It's more that promoters are slowly turning their festivals into massive parties rather than actual music festivals. You know, hedonism over culture/art.
OK, then offer some reasons why the big multi-genre fests are moving away like crazy from acts which draw a lot of fans over 40. If you're trying to sell as many tickets as possible, you'd aim for a lineup which hits as many eras and genres as possible. Look at the Coachella, Hangout, and Gov Ball lineups and you'll see that all of those lineups are phasing out acts which appeal to older music fans...acts which we still saw in festival lineups a couple of years ago.
As for younger people being uncomfortable around older people, when I was in high school or college, the last thing me and my friends wanted were people our parents' or grandparents' age around when we were partying in one way or another. I get it. It's perfectly normal to not want the old folks around at festivals, on spring break, at the club, whatever. And I wonder whether festivals are trying to create as hospitable an environment as possible for Millennials -- since they comprise the largest segment of the festival market -- by managing the lineups in a way that discourages older people from attending.
If I'm running a business, I want to maximize my profits. If festival promoters are backing away from the sort of acts which appeal strongly to older audiences and leaving short term dollars on the table by not selling an extra 5,000 tickets or so by bringing in acts that appeal to Boomers, the most logical reason for doing that is that the industry feels that there's long term financial advantage in creating a Millennial Wonderland which younger fans will want to return to year after year.
Your biggest problem is you associate all acts that aren't Americana/Rock with being for teenagers. You're wrong.
Not at all. There's a world of difference between booking Travis Scott or Public Enemy (or Diplo or Kraftwerk).
OK, then offer some reasons why the big multi-genre fests are moving away like crazy from acts which draw a lot of fans over 40. If you're trying to sell as many tickets as possible, you'd aim for a lineup which hits as many eras and genres as possible. Look at the Coachella, Hangout, and Gov Ball lineups and you'll see that all of those lineups are phasing out acts which appeal to older music fans...acts which we still saw in festival lineups a couple of years ago.
As for younger people being uncomfortable around older people, when I was in high school or college, the last thing me and my friends wanted were people our parents' or grandparents' age around when we were partying in one way or another. I get it. It's perfectly normal to not want the old folks around at festivals, on spring break, at the club, whatever. And I wonder whether festivals are trying to create as hospitable an environment as possible for Millennials -- since they comprise the largest segment of the festival market -- by managing the lineups in a way that discourages older people from attending.
If I'm running a business, I want to maximize my profits. If festival promoters are backing away from the sort of acts which appeal strongly to older audiences and leaving short term dollars on the table by not selling an extra 5,000 tickets or so by bringing in acts that appeal to Boomers, the most logical reason for doing that is that the industry feels that there's long term financial advantage in creating a Millennial Wonderland which younger fans will want to return to year after year.
It's more that promoters are slowly turning their festivals into massive parties rather than actual music festivals. You know, hedonism over culture/art.
It's more that promoters are slowly turning their festivals into massive parties rather than actual music festivals. You know, hedonism over culture/art.
And getting fucked up appeals to EVERYBODY
But festivals are a hot mess 9 out of 10 times, and the younger you are, the more apt you are to put up with more bullshit and less amenities... look at Desert Trip which (for example) featured seats (SEATS!) that skewed towards an older crowd looking for a good time.
But festivals are a hot mess 9 out of 10 times, and the younger you are, the more apt you are to put up with more bullshit and less amenities... look at Desert Trip which (for example) featured seats (SEATS!) that skewed towards an older crowd looking for a good time.
Look at this guy, thinking I'm actually attempting to contribute to the discussion.
That's ridiculous. I predicted Oasis and The Smiths (if either reunited), Eminem, and Lorde in headlining spots for 2018. That's all.
There was considerable talk of Oasis reuniting a year ago, the prediction made sense at the time.
No, it never, ever ever made sense. Boston Calling was never going to get Oasis,.
Oasis was never as big in the U.S. as in Europe. Boston Calling is as likely to get them, or The Smiths, as any festival smaller than Bonnaroo, Lolla, or Coachella. While Boston Calling may not have as many acts as Gov Ball, last year they showed their willingness to offer a top line on par with the rest of the 2nd tier festivals.
No, it never, ever ever made sense. Boston Calling was never going to get Oasis,.
Oasis was never as big in the U.S. as in Europe. Boston Calling is as likely to get them, or The Smiths, as any festival smaller than Bonnaroo, Lolla, or Coachella. While Boston Calling may not have as many acts as Gov Ball, last year they showed their willingness to offer a top line on par with the rest of the 2nd tier festivals.
I can never take you seriously ever again after this comment.
The Smiths will never, ever, ever, ever, ever play Boston Calling. I am literally laughing out loud over here. Talking Heads reunion 2019, amirite?
Yeah sure.. Out of all the festivals they can choose from to do a reunion performance or even tour, they sure are going to choose Boston Calling over Coachella, Bonnaroo or Lollapalooza..
Jesus this is the kind of shit I'm talking about. Young fans being "uncomfortable" with people older than them being at the same festival? Who even thinks like this?
OK, then offer some reasons why the big multi-genre fests are moving away like crazy from acts which draw a lot of fans over 40. If you're trying to sell as many tickets as possible, you'd aim for a lineup which hits as many eras and genres as possible. Look at the Coachella, Hangout, and Gov Ball lineups and you'll see that all of those lineups are phasing out acts which appeal to older music fans...acts which we still saw in festival lineups a couple of years ago.
As for younger people being uncomfortable around older people, when I was in high school or college, the last thing me and my friends wanted were people our parents' or grandparents' age around when we were partying in one way or another. I get it. It's perfectly normal to not want the old folks around at festivals, on spring break, at the club, whatever. And I wonder whether festivals are trying to create as hospitable an environment as possible for Millennials -- since they comprise the largest segment of the festival market -- by managing the lineups in a way that discourages older people from attending.
If I'm running a business, I want to maximize my profits. If festival promoters are backing away from the sort of acts which appeal strongly to older audiences and leaving short term dollars on the table by not selling an extra 5,000 tickets or so by bringing in acts that appeal to Boomers, the most logical reason for doing that is that the industry feels that there's long term financial advantage in creating a Millennial Wonderland which younger fans will want to return to year after year.
Let's just start off by saying that we're barely into the lineup season right now. Hangout shifted to being a shitty party festival years ago so that's old news. So that leaves Coachella and Gov Ball. 3 of Gov Ball's headliners have been around for the better part of 2 decades. Longer in Eminem's case. And there's a handful of older indie, hip-hop, and electronic in the undercard. Coachella's lineup is actually fairly well rounded this year, despite being on the weaker side for them. So your entire premise is built on shaky foundations.
Next, how would deliberately alienating the audience who tends to spend the most money at festivals serve to maximize profits?
Let's look at the rocking Americana artists you named: MMJ aren't playing the US this year. Ryan will likely do some festivals, but played Coach and Gov Ball on his last album cycle so it's understandable those two fests didn't bring him back. Dawes have never really been a staple for the big fests, and they haven't announced much in the way of touring this year. Isbell seems to not have a big affinity for playing festivals so I wouldn't be surprised if he favors ones where his audiences will be more attentive to what he's doing. The disinterest of the crowd at his Boston Calling set a few years back was a shame.
Everyone else seems to have addressed the other glaring issues with your thinking
Also, as much as I hate him, Jack White is 10x as big as QOTSA
not really
That was a bit of hyperbole, but at festivals he's at least 5x the draw that QOTSA is. People constantly wish for him on every festival board I'm on, and no one talks about QOTSA.
Oasis was never as big in the U.S. as in Europe. Boston Calling is as likely to get them, or The Smiths, as any festival smaller than Bonnaroo, Lolla, or Coachella. While Boston Calling may not have as many acts as Gov Ball, last year they showed their willingness to offer a top line on par with the rest of the 2nd tier festivals.
I can never take you seriously ever again after this comment.
The Smiths will never, ever, ever, ever, ever play Boston Calling. I am literally laughing out loud over here. Talking Heads reunion 2019, amirite?
Newsflash, The Smiths were basically a theater/amphitheater band when they toured the U.S. during their original run.
Yes, if some band reunites and only wants to do a couple of U.S. festivals, they're playing the big three, not Boston Calling. But if an act decides that they're going to do a dozen plus U.S. festivals, Boston Calling is as likely as any to get them.
I can never take you seriously ever again after this comment.
The Smiths will never, ever, ever, ever, ever play Boston Calling. I am literally laughing out loud over here. Talking Heads reunion 2019, amirite?
Newsflash, The Smiths were basically a theater/amphitheater band when they toured the U.S. during their original run.
Yes, if some band reunites and only wants to do a couple of U.S. festivals, they're playing the big three, not Boston Calling. But if an act decides that they're going to do a dozen plus U.S. festivals, Boston Calling is as likely as any to get them.
The Smiths would be one the biggest festival bookings of the decade if they reunited. You have the worst logic I've ever seen.
That was a bit of hyperbole, but at festivals he's at least 5x the draw that QOTSA is. People constantly wish for him on every festival board I'm on, and no one talks about QOTSA.
that's just not true. they're in europe during a lot of festivals so it doesn't matter.
