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Legacy of black players in the history of a very white league, at an especially white position is important. I'm sure the first African American ____ across the board is probably represented in the hall in some way. I think comparing a late round OT who never really had any significant play time is very dismissive (and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that factoid was some where in the hall). It's closer imo to someone like Yao, minus the morals.
Marino had just 3 seasons above 60% completion, and also never went to a Superbowl. What Marino was to passing qbs, Vick is to rushing QBs. They're both record breaking transformative players that happened to not be on amazing teams or have great coaches.
And it's not a privilege, it requires an incredible amount of work, is incredibly damaging to their life expectancy, the money has been proven to not guaranteed, and it's not just something your should be "grateful" for and not seek reinstatement as a player. Most of these guys aren't getting as good of an education/are literally having their brains destroyed from their youth because of a sick cultural fascination with the sport. what youre essentially saying is that someone cleared by the court system, who has served time, should not be allowed to do the one thing they love/have been taught/have been forced to do/have done all their lives (in a way that isn't a banker being a thief, a doctor being a murderer, a pedophile being a teacher). That's a whole different problem and is so much deeper than "I think Vick shouldn't be reinstated because he killed dogs". That's on the courts, the education system in VA, the laws regarding mistreatment of animals, world cultural attitude towards animal fighting, etc. Similarly to Lewis, it's a miracle more underprivileged kids who grow up around gang activity, who are driven by testosterone and thrown into a gladiator environment don't kill everyone who tries to fight them in clubs.
Also it shouldn't be the NFLs job to be a second layer to the court system. We've seen how that becomes murky recently.
Yo, Marino played in the Super Bowl in his rookie season (and he had a pretty bad supporting cast his entire career but that's for another day).
There is no way that Michael Vick is a HOF player.
Post by piggy pablo on Feb 4, 2018 16:02:06 GMT -5
It truly is a shame that Michael Vick could have been a transformative player for African-Americans in the NFL but instead derailed his career by being a serial animal abuser and criminal.
The point was cherry picking completion % and Superbowl success isn't a great indicator. I 100% support Marino in the hall.
I wasn't cherry picking. My point was that he is not very good at throwing the football, which is something that I consider an important part of being a QB, especially at a HOF level.
I cited that stat because it was pretty damning and toggling back and forth with stats on mobile is a pain for me. When I can get to a laptop later I'll revisit.
Warren Moon was one of the greatest qbs of all time. He was a more traditional qb but he got in in 2006. So I feel like if they wanted a black qb in there for that reason, he was the right first choice. (I can’t think of anyone who went in before him and am not sure if Doug Williams ever got in. I think Cunningham got into the college hall but I don’t think nfl. ). Just the same, Moon got in on his body of work
I agree Vick isn’t a hall of famer. He was good and an arch enemy, but I don’t think he was elite. One or two Super Bowl wins could have changed the argument in his case.
