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They had him close out the second biggest stage at FYF and he subbed for Radiohead at ACL. It could happen. His new show will probably be better suited for an Outdoor spot in the dark though, but he’s one they might also be willing to get creative with too.
Edit: being that he has only been in a tent before, Outdoor is the most logical next step. I would take it.
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Post by donalddrumpf on Apr 26, 2019 19:22:43 GMT -5
I would think FlyLo would be early 3rd line, but he was there in 2015. So either starting 3rd line or end of 2nd line. Closing or 2nd to closing outdoor
eh I get what you're saying regarding best lineup possible, but Solange and Janelle aren't actually that similar musically in my mind - I disagree with anyone who would have argued that they're too similar, especially with respect to their live performances. Disclosure/Flume aren't really especially similar either, but generally two not-band electronic acts subheadlining hasn't happened in the last decade as far as I know, and I think it counts extra for Flume because if he were to play his typical touring set it's not a very dynamic main stage tier live show.
I agree that they're not that similar. I just think the logic holds for Flume/Disclosure in the way it held for Janelle/Solange. We also don't know what Flume's live show is gonna look like this time around (although I'm not holding my breath)
I think that's too high for M.I.A., and I don't think they'd book her again barring some major momentum. I think they'd book the YYYs again, but not that high without a pretty successful crossover album. I do think we've missed the Chems for this cycle (and unfortunately, probably for good).
This would get me there in a heartbeat.
Yeah, I wasn't sure where to place M.I.A. Chem Bros are right on the edge, since their album just came out. But I do think we'll get at least one act like that (and I treat Thom Yorke as a separate thing from the Underworld/Royksopp/Jamiroquai/Aphex Twin/Massive Attack/Chem Bros of the world).
Agreed on both counts (rare electronic and Thom doesn't count), I just don't think it's Chems. I've been beating this drum for awhile but man the draw is REALLY not there for them right now. Their CA shows still aren't sold out, and NYC sold out GA floor pretty quick but will probably not sell out.
Yeah, I wasn't sure where to place M.I.A. Chem Bros are right on the edge, since their album just came out. But I do think we'll get at least one act like that (and I treat Thom Yorke as a separate thing from the Underworld/Royksopp/Jamiroquai/Aphex Twin/Massive Attack/Chem Bros of the world).
Agreed on both counts (rare electronic and Thom doesn't count), I just don't think it's Chems. I've been beating this drum for awhile but man the draw is REALLY not there for them right now. Their CA shows still aren't sold out, and NYC sold out GA floor pretty quick but will probably not sell out.
Yeah, I’ve been kinda shocked to see how long it’s taking to sell out in SF. My glass half full view is: they would be cheaper than in the past and thus easier to book, and if they want to re-establish themselves in the US there’s no better place than Coachella. Obviously the glass half empty view is that they wouldn’t get anyone to buy tickets the way Aphex/the others likely did. I continue to hope for them mostly because I think their show would be more appealing to attendees than most of the other rare electronic acts Coachella’s been bringing in, and they had such a good relationship until the 2011 debacle.
Meanwhile Massive Attack sold like gangbusters in SF. I really, really regret not getting tickets to that because it’s $120+ now.
Agreed on both counts (rare electronic and Thom doesn't count), I just don't think it's Chems. I've been beating this drum for awhile but man the draw is REALLY not there for them right now. Their CA shows still aren't sold out, and NYC sold out GA floor pretty quick but will probably not sell out.
Yeah, I’ve been kinda shocked to see how long it’s taking to sell out in SF. My glass half full view is: they would be cheaper than in the past and thus easier to book, and if they want to re-establish themselves in the US there’s no better place than Coachella. Obviously the glass half empty view is that they wouldn’t get anyone to buy tickets the way Aphex/the others likely did. I continue to hope for them mostly because I think their show would be more appealing to attendees than most of the other rare electronic acts Coachella’s been bringing in, and they had such a good relationship until the 2011 debacle.
Meanwhile Massive Attack sold like gangbusters in SF. I really, really regret not getting tickets to that because it’s $120+ now.
Honestly, I think Chems and GV were at least talking about it, but GV decided against it. GV is promoting all of the CA shows and the NYC show, they have them playing All Points East, Chems set up a tour that had them leaving their rig in Mexico December-April, the new album dropped Friday of W1 (we bumped it in the campground and it was a great antidote to Losing It)...this whole thing was set up for them to play. I honestly think Paul looked at the draw and didn't think they could justify booking them where they would need to be, which is realistically no lower than 4th on their day, and they probably would've wanted higher. I don't think it's a GV relationship thing, or a Coachella relationship thing - I think people just don't care about the Chemical Brothers enough to make it a good booking for Coachella.
I really, really wanted the Chems to play too. I've never seen them and I've been dying to see them. But I think we may need to let this one go.
Yeah, I’ve been kinda shocked to see how long it’s taking to sell out in SF. My glass half full view is: they would be cheaper than in the past and thus easier to book, and if they want to re-establish themselves in the US there’s no better place than Coachella. Obviously the glass half empty view is that they wouldn’t get anyone to buy tickets the way Aphex/the others likely did. I continue to hope for them mostly because I think their show would be more appealing to attendees than most of the other rare electronic acts Coachella’s been bringing in, and they had such a good relationship until the 2011 debacle.
Meanwhile Massive Attack sold like gangbusters in SF. I really, really regret not getting tickets to that because it’s $120+ now.
Honestly, I think Chems and GV were at least talking about it, but GV decided against it. GV is promoting all of the CA shows and the NYC show, they have them playing All Points East, Chems set up a tour that had them leaving their rig in Mexico December-April, the new album dropped Friday of W1 (we bumped it in the campground and it was a great antidote to Losing It)...this whole thing was set up for them to play. I honestly think Paul looked at the draw and didn't think they could justify booking them where they would need to be, which is realistically no lower than 4th on their day, and they probably would've wanted higher. I don't think it's a GV relationship thing, or a Coachella relationship thing - I think people just don't care about the Chemical Brothers enough to make it a good booking for Coachella.
I really, really wanted the Chems to play too. I've never seen them and I've been dying to see them. But I think we may need to let this one go.
But — tinfoil hat time — maybe this was a gamble of sorts for both sides. Those CA tickets went on sale after the lineup came out, didn’t they? GV didn’t know it wouldn’t sell well. Neither did Chems. So maybe it was a game of chicken, the album timed so they could play this year or next. Now it’s clear they’re not a top 4 draw. So GV wins the game of chicken.
I know, probably not. But I still think they’d be a good draw at Coachella - better than Massive Attack, who sold really well - just not a good use of a ton of money. And they no longer command that ton of money.
Anyhow, any mocks I use from here with Chem Bros, it should be understood they represent “rare electronic act” more than Chem Bros specifically lol.
Honestly, I think Chems and GV were at least talking about it, but GV decided against it. GV is promoting all of the CA shows and the NYC show, they have them playing All Points East, Chems set up a tour that had them leaving their rig in Mexico December-April, the new album dropped Friday of W1 (we bumped it in the campground and it was a great antidote to Losing It)...this whole thing was set up for them to play. I honestly think Paul looked at the draw and didn't think they could justify booking them where they would need to be, which is realistically no lower than 4th on their day, and they probably would've wanted higher. I don't think it's a GV relationship thing, or a Coachella relationship thing - I think people just don't care about the Chemical Brothers enough to make it a good booking for Coachella.
I really, really wanted the Chems to play too. I've never seen them and I've been dying to see them. But I think we may need to let this one go.
But — tinfoil hat time — maybe this was a gamble of sorts for both sides. Those CA tickets went on sale after the lineup came out, didn’t they? GV didn’t know it wouldn’t sell well. Neither did Chems. So maybe it was a game of chicken, the album timed so they could play this year or next. Now it’s clear they’re not a top 4 draw. So GV wins the game of chicken.
I know, probably not. But I still think they’d be a good draw at Coachella - better than Massive Attack, who sold really well - just not a good use of a ton of money. And they no longer command that ton of money.
Anyhow, any mocks I use from here with Chem Bros, it should be understood they represent “rare electronic act” more than Chem Bros specifically lol.
Tickets went on sale at the beginning of December. And GV has a pretty good idea of their draw, I'd think, even without the sales figures.
I don't think they're a better draw than Massive Attack at Coachella. They fit the old Coachella really well; one of the iconic acts of Coachella's history. But the festival has moved on.
Yeah I feel that on "rare electronic act" haha. I just keep pushing on this point because I feel like people are really overstating the draw.
Did Aphex Twin even pull enough of a crowd to warrant his pay? I think we might be reading too far into this. This is not even just wishful thinking, but I don’t think Chems are too far removed to never play here again (even if that means having to wait for the next album cycle).
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Did Aphex Twin even pull enough of a crowd to warrant his pay?
I don't have a good answer to this, but I think at a certain point Coachella is the only US festival that consistently books acts like ChemBros/Underworld/Aphex/etc., which has to count for something.
Yeah if they didn’t just have Aphex Twin, Soulwax, Royksopp, Underworld, etc over the last few years I would be less hopeful for the future for acts like these. They consistently give us 1-2 of them at this point though and that pool is quite limited. I’m not giving up hope yet.
Aphex has a status, and a rarity, that Chems don't have. Which is not meant as a slight to them - Aphex is just incredibly rare and arguably the most influential electronic musician of all time. Coachella is going to book Aphex if they can, full stop. The Chemical Brothers are legends, but they don't have the cachet of Aphex (because no one does).
There's a sliding scale for those acts. Soulwax, Rokysopp, Moderat don't require the fee, the billing, or the placement that Chems would. Underworld didn't pack the Sahara, but they filled it (and is also a draw, they sold out the Hollywood Bowl).
I 100% think we will continue to get acts like these. Barring a shift in the ask in fee/billing, or a major spike in popularity, I don't think we're getting the Chems. We've missed them on two album cycles now, when they were active and available.
Did Aphex Twin even pull enough of a crowd to warrant his pay? I think we might be reading too far into this. This is not even just wishful thinking, but I don’t think Chems are too far removed to never play here again (even if that means having to wait for the next album cycle).
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Apr 27, 2019 12:49:32 GMT -5
Chem Bros appearing at a bunch of second and third tier festivals the last few years but not Coachella makes me believe it’s just not gonna happen. I don’t think they’re worth the amount of time we spend talking about them anyway.
Did Aphex Twin even pull enough of a crowd to warrant his pay? I think we might be reading too far into this. This is not even just wishful thinking, but I don’t think Chems are too far removed to never play here again (even if that means having to wait for the next album cycle).
I'd be willing to bet Aphex got more than everyone but the headliners, tbh. They didn't book Aphex for a strict ROI, they booked him because it's Aphex Twin, and they want to be the kind of festival that books Aphex Twin. From a marketing perspective, it really does go a long way for them to be the kind of festival that will book Aphex Twin, especially when people take potshots at them for booking pop acts. From a music fan perspective, it's obvious why they'd book Aphex Twin: cuz he's fucking awesome.
Part of the problem is billing, not fees IMO. Look at 2013. Passion Pit, who that very year sold out Madison Square Garden, was happy to take an 11th slot. La Roux took a steep hit on billing after her cancelled Coachella 2012 slot, from 6th to 11th. Sahara headliners were happy to be at the front end of the third line, and enormously popular acts like Major Lazer and 2 Chainz accepted fifth line bookings.
Now everybody has wisened up to the fact that a high billing at Coachella can mean big paychecks at other fests. That story from the New Yorker (?) in 2017 was eye opening, where huge profile music agents were showing up unannounced on lineup release day to make pleas to move their clients up ONE name. (Garrix's agent was begging them to put him in front of Snake). Paul mentioned there was a big blowout fight with an act over a one point difference in font. We saw Burna Boy's public meltdown over his positioning this year (although he still agreed to play).
Labels interfering to get prime billing and positioning for clients of theirs by packaging them with a bigger artist GV wants is pretty obvious by this point, and I think accounts for a lot of "they booked [name] in 2019? Why?" reactions come lineup day.
So in short, I feel like GV would book Chem Bros in a heartbeat but not in that #2-#3 range (were they'd probably want). I think this goes for a LOT of artists. Which is silly. Gorgon City accepted fourth line and played a universally well received set on the outdoor to a ginormous crowd. James Bay obviously fought tooth and nail for second line and played like the Gobi or something in the afternoon.
Part of me thus hopes they start working deals with bands like The National who have proven themselves to give zero fucks about where they are on the poster (Grimes too).
Part of the problem is billing, not fees IMO. Look at 2013. Passion Pit, who that very year sold out Madison Square Garden, was happy to take an 11th slot. La Roux took a steep hit on billing after her cancelled Coachella 2012 slot, from 6th to 11th. Sahara headliners were happy to be at the front end of the third line, and enormously popular acts like Major Lazer and 2 Chainz accepted fifth line bookings.
Now everybody has wisened up to the fact that a high billing at Coachella can mean big paychecks at other fests. That story from the New Yorker (?) in 2017 was eye opening, where huge profile music agents were showing up unannounced on lineup release day to make pleas to move their clients up ONE name. (Garrix's agent was begging them to put him in front of Snake). Paul mentioned there was a big blowout fight with an act over a one point difference in font. We saw Burna Boy's public meltdown over his positioning this year (although he still agreed to play).
Labels interfering to get prime billing and positioning for clients of theirs by packaging them with a bigger artist GV wants is pretty obvious by this point, and I think accounts for a lot of "they booked [name] in 2019? Why?" reactions come lineup day.
So in short, I feel like GV would book Chem Bros in a heartbeat but not in that #2-#3 range (were they'd probably want). I think this goes for a LOT of artists. Which is silly. Gorgon City accepted fourth line and played a universally well received set on the outdoor to a ginormous crowd. James Bay obviously fought tooth and nail for second line and played like the Gobi or something in the afternoon.
Part of me thus hopes they start working deals with bands like The National who have proven themselves to give zero fucks about where they are on the poster (Grimes too).
100%. "Coachella wouldn't book them" is always followed by a parenthetical "(where they would demand to be booked)"
Post by gibsonguy20 on Apr 27, 2019 20:15:10 GMT -5
I thought I read somewhere that Hawtin was bringing back Plastikman in 2020. That would be a cool rare electronic booking! I assume it would be somewhere on the third line.
I thought I read somewhere that Hawtin was bringing back Plastikman in 2020. That would be a cool rare electronic booking! I assume it would be somewhere on the third line at Primavera.
I heard that buzz too but I think it was before CLOSE, which made me think it just got conflated. Plastikman would probably be on the third line at Coachella, though.
If Plastikman is coming back, I think that's a lock from both sides. Hawtin obviously had enough respect for the fest to debut his last show at Coachella, and the crowd turnout as I understand it was very good and into it. The nighttime techno shows in Mojave/Gobi have been huge hits recently (Kraviz would have been a huge hit if she had read the crowd better). It's an easy booking from both Hawtin and GV's sides that has the added benefit of looking extremely impressive on paper. Slam dunk if it happens.
If Plastikman is coming back, I think that's a lock from both sides. Hawtin obviously had enough respect for the fest to debut his last show at Coachella, and the crowd turnout as I understand it was very good and into it. The nighttime techno shows in Mojave/Gobi have been huge hits recently (Kraviz would have been a huge hit if she had read the crowd better). It's an easy booking from both Hawtin and GV's sides that has the added benefit of looking extremely impressive on paper. Slam dunk if it happens.
Hawtin drew very well in 2017, great set and crowd too.
Speaking of great sets/crowds, should have included Jayda G in my wishlist.
I feel like this is a borderline lock as long as she's interested. GV has obviously been extremely focused on having female representation in both Sahara and Yuma (which is awesome), and the pool is much smaller than for male DJs. I said this somewhere else in here, but I predicted almost every female DJ on my mock for this year, and whiffed on all the male ones LOL. I feel like Alison Wonderland, Jayda G, Peggy Gou, Black Madonna, and mayyyybe Helena Hauff (I thought it'd be this year so maybe she's just not that interested) are pretty solid bets at this point.
