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Post by piggy pablo on Jun 16, 2019 9:35:16 GMT -5
You mean Tyler's early days of extreme hype and being on Fallon doing Sandwiches like three days after the Yonkers video came out? You're sorta underselling the amount of marketing heft that's been behind Odd Future since very early on.
Texas is not big on Tyler in my personal experience. Still should be enough Indie heads to fill that venue in the 4th largest metropolis area in the US, one would think. i can't think of a Hip Hop fan I know that is into Tyler.
Houston isn't the same thing as Texas. Houston's support for rap and hip-hop (Cardi B being one of the biggest concerts in Houston Rodeo history, for example) is much stronger than its support for indie (many indie acts skipping us on tours).
Trying to divorce Tyler from hip-hop and rap is weird as shit, too.
Houston isn't the same thing as Texas. Houston's support for rap and hip-hop (Cardi B being one of the biggest concerts in Houston Rodeo history, for example) is much stronger than its support for indie (many indie acts skipping us on tours).
Trying to divorce Tyler from hip-hop and rap is weird as shit, too.
But thanks for the back-up?
Who doesnt go to the Houston Rodeo?
Tyler, for one.
I haven't been since high school. There were a few things I would've gone for this year, though. Kacey, Santana, Cardi.
75,580 people at Cardi, a record at the time. Passed by Los Tigres del Norte nine days later (75,586).
Random post, but came across an Excel file on my CPU while looking for something else. The question was on the Coachella boards in early 2016 and was "Rank your preference of these legacy headliners from 1-10." If the headliner was ranked #1, they received 1 point, ranked last they received 10 points, lowest score wins. Got 14 responses, here was the results:
1. The Rolling Stones - 49 points 2. U2 - 52 points 3. Bruce Springsteen & the E St. Band - 71 points 4t. Fleetwood Mac - 72 points 4t. Neil Young - 72 points 6. Stevie Wonder - 81 points 7. Elton John - 82 points 8. The Who - 85 points 9. Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers (RIP) - 99 points 10. Metallica - 107 points
During a particularly long commute the other day, I was thinking about what it would look like if Coachella's lineup did consist of half women artists, especially now that Primavera and Pitchfork seem to be sticking to that standard. So I created a half-speculation, more-than-likely-half-wishlist lineup to reflect that. I'm not really interested in relitigating the politics behind it (especially since, again, I'm not of the belief that our biggest political priority should be getting congress to pass the All Festival Lineups Must Be Demographically Equal Act), but I am interested in seeing how the composition would change. I roughly organized this using Clashfinder but I know I'm missing a few Sahara and likely a few Yuma-type acts, and of course billing is going to be off blah blah blah. But anyway:
J Cole . BTS Melanie Martinez . Dua Lipa . The Chemical Brothers . Big Sean . X Ambassadors . FKA Twigs Los Tigres Del Norte . Bryson Tiller . Elohim . Two Door Cinema Club . The Jonas Brothers . Freddie Gibbs & Madlib Ari Lennox . Jonwayne . Goldroom . Badflower . Brent Fiyaz . Kina Grannis . Halfnoise
Coldplay The Spice Girls . Marshmellow . Logic . Ozuna . James Blake . Charli XCX . Run The Jewels Flying Lotus . Jhene Aiko . Greta Van Fleet . BROCKHAMPTON . Of Monsters and Men . Joji . The Midnight Jay Rock . JMSN . Aly & AJ . Best Coast . Hiatus Kaiyote . Homeshake
Rihanna Flume . Vampire Weekend . Miley Cyrus . The National . Illenium . Lil Uzi Vert . TWICE Daddy Yankee . Carley Rae Jepsen . DaBaby . Nina Las Vegas . Rhye. Denzel Curry . King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard Snoh Aalegra . Duke Dumont . Childish Major . Jay Som . Mndsgn . Pepper
I know I'm lacking a lot of types of music, and this is half realistic/half wish list, but I was bored and don't know how to photoshop it lol
The National announced dates for March & April 2020 in Aus/NZ/JP and it's right before Coachella. Maybe 2020 will be the year they'll be booked for this.
J Cole . BTS Melanie Martinez . Dua Lipa . The Chemical Brothers . Big Sean . X Ambassadors . FKA Twigs Los Tigres Del Norte . Bryson Tiller . Elohim . Two Door Cinema Club . The Jonas Brothers . Freddie Gibbs & Madlib Ari Lennox . Jonwayne . Goldroom . Badflower . Brent Fiyaz . Kina Grannis . Halfnoise
Coldplay The Spice Girls . Marshmellow . Logic . Ozuna . James Blake . Charli XCX . Run The Jewels Flying Lotus . Jhene Aiko . Greta Van Fleet . BROCKHAMPTON . Of Monsters and Men . Joji . The Midnight Jay Rock . JMSN . Aly & AJ . Best Coast . Hiatus Kaiyote . Homeshake
Rihanna Flume . Vampire Weekend . Miley Cyrus . The National . Illenium . Lil Uzi Vert . TWICE Daddy Yankee . Carley Rae Jepsen . DaBaby . Nina Las Vegas . Rhye. Denzel Curry . King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard Snoh Aalegra . Duke Dumont . Childish Major . Jay Som . Mndsgn . Pepper
I know I'm lacking a lot of types of music, and this is half realistic/half wish list, but I was bored and don't know how to photoshop it lol
Melanie Martinez is very cancelled. She raped a woman.
J Cole . BTS Melanie Martinez . Dua Lipa . The Chemical Brothers . Big Sean . X Ambassadors . FKA Twigs Los Tigres Del Norte . Bryson Tiller . Elohim . Two Door Cinema Club . The Jonas Brothers . Freddie Gibbs & Madlib Ari Lennox . Jonwayne . Goldroom . Badflower . Brent Fiyaz . Kina Grannis . Halfnoise
Coldplay The Spice Girls . Marshmellow . Logic . Ozuna . James Blake . Charli XCX . Run The Jewels Flying Lotus . Jhene Aiko . Greta Van Fleet . BROCKHAMPTON . Of Monsters and Men . Joji . The Midnight Jay Rock . JMSN . Aly & AJ . Best Coast . Hiatus Kaiyote . Homeshake
Rihanna Flume . Vampire Weekend . Miley Cyrus . The National . Illenium . Lil Uzi Vert . TWICE Daddy Yankee . Carley Rae Jepsen . DaBaby . Nina Las Vegas . Rhye. Denzel Curry . King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard Snoh Aalegra . Duke Dumont . Childish Major . Jay Som . Mndsgn . Pepper
I know I'm lacking a lot of types of music, and this is half realistic/half wish list, but I was bored and don't know how to photoshop it lol
Melanie Martinez is very cancelled. She raped a woman.
She’s headlining a fest in DC that’s reportedly pro-women, so who the hell knows.
Melanie Martinez is not cancelled in the slightest. Firstly nothing was ever proven, secondly most people probably don't even remember that being brought up. Her fanbase basically all took her side, not saying what's right and what's wrong, just saying she's not "cancelled". Wouldn't be the most questionable Coachella booking ever.
But honestly, Melanie Martinez is the strongest sub that they could possibly (and realistically) book, her fanbase is massive. She was basically Billie Eilish before Billie Eilish. And with a new album (and film) coming out after 4 long years.
The National announced dates for March & April 2020 in Aus/NZ/JP and it's right before Coachella. Maybe 2020 will be the year they'll be booked for this.
Regardless of what she did or did not do, Melanie Martinez is nowhere close to big enough to sub. End of second line, at best.
You're kidding, right? Melanie was end of 2nd line with her first album alone. 2nd album easily puts her as a sub if it's anywhere near the same level as Cry Baby was. Like I said, she was Billie Eilish before Billie Eilish at the time. It's been four long years since Cry Baby came out, though, so it may seem like she's not as relevant now. But wait until September.
Regardless of what she did or did not do, Melanie Martinez is nowhere close to big enough to sub. End of second line, at best.
You're kidding, right? Melanie was end of 2nd line with her first album alone. 2nd album easily puts her as a sub if it's anywhere near the same level as Cry Baby was. Like I said, she was Billie Eilish before Billie Eilish at the time. It's been four long years since Cry Baby came out, though, so it may seem like she's not as relevant now. But wait until September.
I mean, right now the online reaction is mostly either people saying that her new album’s aesthetic is sexualizing children and her stand saying that her new album’s aesthetic isn’t sexualizing children, so it sounds like the album rollout is going great so far!
Man, I had no idea Bonnaroo sold out this year. That's kinda wild. I guess Phish still does it for that crowd.
Probably didn't have much to do with them. I read they had the smallest headliner crowd. Along with that lots of people hit the road Sunday after Lumineers/Cardi
I've only heard of this Melanie Martinez person through the allegations, which I think already keeps GV away from ever booking her (fair or not, I don't know the details of the case).
But her one album looks like it peaked at #6, that's far from "Billie Eilish before Billie Eilish."
Regardless of what she did or did not do, Melanie Martinez is nowhere close to big enough to sub. End of second line, at best.
You're kidding, right? Melanie was end of 2nd line with her first album alone. 2nd album easily puts her as a sub if it's anywhere near the same level as Cry Baby was. Like I said, she was Billie Eilish before Billie Eilish at the time. It's been four long years since Cry Baby came out, though, so it may seem like she's not as relevant now. But wait until September.
Lol no. She’s wasn’t Billie Eilish before Billie Eilish. She never got nearly as popular as Billie Eilish did. The best she could do in LA was one Shrine show and her current streaming numbers don’t even put her in the top 500 artists. If she puts out a successful album then she MIGHT make the 2nd line but she likely won’t even be booked so it’s a moot point.
Regardless of what she did or did not do, Melanie Martinez is nowhere close to big enough to sub. End of second line, at best.
You're kidding, right? Melanie was end of 2nd line with her first album alone. 2nd album easily puts her as a sub if it's anywhere near the same level as Cry Baby was. Like I said, she was Billie Eilish before Billie Eilish at the time. It's been four long years since Cry Baby came out, though, so it may seem like she's not as relevant now. But wait until September.
Is it that time of year again? I always forget about the summer of hot takes until we are right in the thick of it.
Other people have said this a lot more eloquently, but this seems crazy unlikely. She was playing tiny theaters for most of her last tour, and while she did graduate to some bigger venues, they weren't THAT big. I was actually working for WB when that record released and their marketing push for Cry Baby wasn't significantly more intense than any of the other major releases around that time....
While I get the Billie comparison.....just because an artist is similar to another one doesn't mean they have equal draw. GVF draws comparison to Led Zeppelin...do they sell the same amount of tickets?
Man, I had no idea Bonnaroo sold out this year. That's kinda wild. I guess Phish still does it for that crowd.
Probably didn't have much to do with them. I read they had the smallest headliner crowd. Along with that lots of people hit the road Sunday after Lumineers/Cardi
I wouldn't be surprised if they sold thousands of extra tickets this year simply from Okeechobee and the second weekend of Electric Forest dying.
You guys aren't taking into account, a few things: 1) Melanie's aesthetics have always been controversial. Almost all of her music videos for the Cry Baby album were strange to say the least. 2) An album peaking at #6 ( for her niche in 2015) is definitely high enough to sub because.. 3) You don't have to be "that big" to sub. SZA, HAIM, Janelle Monae, Odesza, Solange recently? I've mentioned this before. 4) Spotify listeners don't necessarily hold too much weight. The booking order of Coachella definitely doesn't go by monthly listeners, or else Saturday 2019 would have been something like: J Balvin, Billie Eilish, Tame Impala, Kid Cudi, Weezer, Solange (who only has 2M monthly, less than Melanie, BASSNECTAR and APHEX only 1M) 5) Melanie's numbers (3M+) are still going off of an album released in 2015, those numbers will definitely go way up. 6) A lot of people tend to put more emphasis on which venues they played, than there needs to be. Once again, go along the recent subs over the past few years and see what venues they play.
I'd put money against anyone who thinks she isn't a second liner because that's just nuts to me. Even if she isn't booked as a sub, I'd put money that she's at least tucked in the middle of the 2nd line and not at the end. I know she has to be booked for any of this to matter but still lol
My 2019 guesses weren't too far off, line up and set time wise, shrug. There were a lot of "consensus" opinions out there (Inforoo and Coachella boards) pre-2019 line up drop and set time drop that ended up being dead wrong lol anything is possible. I think the fest's trajectory is going in a direction that goes against what has been "the rule" for most of Coachella's existence. I've just noticed a lot of 'chella veterans being dead wrong on a lot of things, based on how things used to work. And relatively new goers being right just based on having a more open mind on possibilities, especially the Ariana booking with her picture being on the app before the line up dropped thing
... especially the Ariana booking with her picture being on the app before the line up dropped thing
Wait, you also think that was an actual hint even though those were stock photos and it was reported she was booked within a day of the lineup release?