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You guys aren't taking into account, a few things: 1) Melanie's aesthetics have always been controversial. Almost all of her music videos for the Cry Baby album were strange to say the least. 2) An album peaking at #6 ( for her niche in 2015) is definitely high enough to sub because.. 3) You don't have to be "that big" to sub. SZA, HAIM, Janelle Monae, Odesza, Solange recently? I've mentioned this before. 4) Spotify listeners don't necessarily hold too much weight. The booking order of Coachella definitely doesn't go by monthly listeners, or else Saturday 2019 would have been something like: J Balvin, Billie Eilish, Tame Impala, Kid Cudi, Weezer, Solange (who only has 2M monthly, less than Melanie, BASSNECTAR and APHEX only 1M) 5) Melanie's numbers (3M+) are still going off of an album released in 2015, those numbers will definitely go way up. 6) A lot of people tend to put more emphasis on which venues they played, than there needs to be. Once again, go along the recent subs over the past few years and see what venues they play.
I'd put money against anyone who thinks she isn't a second liner because that's just nuts to me. Even if she isn't booked as a sub, I'd put money that she's at least tucked in the middle of the 2nd line and not at the end. I know she has to be booked for any of this to matter but still lol
You also aren't taking into account all of these as a whole. Sure there's been controversial 2nd line artists, not-as-highly streamed 2nd line artists and 2nd line artists whose most recent LA show wasn't that big but who can you name that has had ALL of these things COMBINED against them plus more like lack of critical acclaim or previous Coachella appearances? It's easy to try to individually disprove each factor but your logic is faulty because it doesn't take into consideration ALL of it together.
I'm sure there's a logical fallacy here but since I don't know what it's called, I'll dub this the "kct3722 Fallacy": an attempt to disprove an argument with isolated examples of each individual factor instead of the factors as a whole.
As someone who worked at a fest, the previous venue an artist played in the area is probably more important than streams. This is a stupid discussion though. I know I’m approaching old person age but as someone who is still in college nobody I’ve met since 2016 has EVER mentioned her. And I thought the whole rape stuff cancelled her anyway. She is not a sub unless her label wants to risk pushing her next release like crazy (cough cough Billie Eilish)
My 2019 guesses weren't too far off, line up and set time wise, shrug. There were a lot of "consensus" opinions out there (Inforoo and Coachella boards) pre-2019 line up drop and set time drop that ended up being dead wrong lol anything is possible. I think the fest's trajectory is going in a direction that goes against what has been "the rule" for most of Coachella's existence. I've just noticed a lot of 'chella veterans being dead wrong on a lot of things, based on how things used to work. And relatively new goers being right just based on having a more open mind on possibilities, especially the Ariana booking with her picture being on the app before the line up dropped thing
I'll seriously place bets on Melanie though..
Fine, if Melanie subs, you win, if she doesn’t you delete your account and go away forever.
As someone who worked at a fest, the previous venue an artist played in the area is probably more important than streams. This is a stupid discussion though. I know I’m approaching old person age but as someone who is still in college nobody I’ve met since 2016 has EVER mentioned her. And I thought the whole rape stuff cancelled her anyway. She is not a sub unless her label wants to risk pushing her next release like crazy (cough cough Billie Eilish)
Yeah, I've never heard of her either. I'm getting older, but it's not like I'm living under a rock; Coachella's never booked a sub I hadn't heard of. I saw the streaming numbers are pretty strong for the songs on Cry Baby, so I went to go figure out if it's considered good, and...it seems like nobody felt it was worth reviewing? No page on Metacritic; no review on Pitchfork; only one appearance on a top-10 list. If she was legitimately buzzy on even half of Billie Eilish's scale, that would not be the case.
Anyhow yeah, no chance she subs, let's move on to talking about Spoon's Greatest Hits album (what's the point of a greatest hits album anymore?), the Hold Steady's forthcoming album (with Franz Nicolay back), Thom Yorke's new album, or anything else that might help make next year interesting.
As someone who worked at a fest, the previous venue an artist played in the area is probably more important than streams. This is a stupid discussion though. I know I’m approaching old person age but as someone who is still in college nobody I’ve met since 2016 has EVER mentioned her. And I thought the whole rape stuff cancelled her anyway. She is not a sub unless her label wants to risk pushing her next release like crazy (cough cough Billie Eilish)
I hear what you're saying about venues, but this doesn't line up with the last couple of years, at all. The subs have been relatively weak and few of them played any notable venues. This is really a history vs trajectory thing. This is just the direction things have been trending. Melanie definitely has a budget behind her, I mean she has a whole movie coming out with her album. I'm willing to bet her label will push very, very hard. Not knowing who someone is doesn't negate their popularity? I didnt know who Billie Eilish was before she landed on the 2019 poster and she was obviously super popular. And I'm in that target age range, I had never heard anyone bring her up before. It happens.
Also, I should revise that Melanie was the "Billie Eilish" of 2015, pre-WHEN WE FALL ASLEEP Billie. Because her popularity went up 10 fold once that album and those singles came out. But her Don't Smile At Me era popularity was similar. That's why I'm saying if this album hits as hard as I think it will, there's no reason as to why she couldn't sub.
That's a bit disappointing, but I also think in the last 5 years she's basically reinvented herself, and also festivals in general have also warmed up more to booking pop acts. Wouldn't have expected her at Primavera Sound or Pitchfork 5 years ago but it's not surprising to see her on those lineups today.
Post by jackalope11 on Jun 21, 2019 9:12:19 GMT -5
I think Charli is a solid #3 this year, she's got an incredibly devoted fanbase plus a ton of features on her next album. The real sad question I have is...do we think Halsey subs this year?
I book shows in San Diego (Madlib, Travis Scott, Wiz Khalifa, DJ Mustard, Yves Tumor, Leikeli47, Sam Gellaitry, Sango, Soulection, DJDS, Kelman Duran etc.) and i've legit never heard of Melanie Martinez aside from the rape shit.
I book shows in San Diego (Madlib, Travis Scott, Wiz Khalifa, DJ Mustard, Yves Tumor, Leikeli47, Sam Gellaitry, Sango, Soulection, DJDS, Kelman Duran etc.) and i've legit never heard of Melanie Martinez aside from the rape shit.
Impressive credentials, but kct identified a blurry stock photo and outsmarted the (obviously wrong) set times morons. So I'm torn.
It's fine if you guys have never heard of Melanie Martinez before, but her numbers say that she has a very large fan base. 7.5M YouTube subscribers, none of her music videos have sub 55M views, highest is near 300M, she has over 3M monthly on Spotify as an artist who hasn't dropped an album in 3 years. She was one of the finalist and a fan favorite on The Voice years back.. I think it's silly to act like she's a nobody, regardless of whether she can actually sub or not lol. She definitely has a large following. But we will have a better idea in September after her album drops, on her 2020 probability.