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Post by piggy pablo on Jun 24, 2019 6:18:03 GMT -5
There's a ton of negative stuff about Liz Warren that I don't post lol
I know you're joking, but it would be especially weird of your wife to vote for Liz Warren because a stranger that her husband interacts with on the internet thinks Bernie is a better candidate.
Edit: went back and looked at my posts. I've made two posts in this thread that are explicitly opposed to Warren.
I've posted one or two and deleted them pretty quickly before anyone responded to them. It's not like what you did in the previous thread where you deleted all of your posts responding to me about my issues with Warren's claiming Cherokee heritage.
Bernie is unveiling a bill today to cancel all student loan debt. As I have over $100k in student loan debt and my wife has more than double that, we shift our allegiances from Liz to Bernie as of this morning. The major thing that could get us to switch back is piggy pablo 's weird obsession with posting everything negative about Liz.
Other than Navient breathing down my neck over less than 100 bucks a month, it doesn't do me any real favors, but holy shit will it save my family who is paying forever for my brother's Syracuse undergrad and now (since I think there is a partial-cost payment associated for post-grad) medical school payments. The loan reduced would save my asshole of a brother, and maybe he'll lighten the fuck up.
We gonna all look silly/sick when we have to pick between Trump or Biden.
We've just all got to do our part to talk to people. I've already got 4 people voting for Sanders and 3 for Warren. Moved 3 of those from Biden over to the light side. I feel like if progressives focused more on doing that then fighting with each other we'd at least maybe not end up with the worst possible ending.
Then, at some point in the primaries, we've got to vote for the best candidate with a chance of beating the establishment.
Seriously, don't take the polling that uses phone dialing that recently released to disenfranchise you. He's got to engage young people across the nation and those who are cognitive and fighting for you. Oh, Biden there doesn't have it in his bones to run a proper campaign.
This is the stuff right here. I wish more politicians would challenge this type of obscurification from the media/political opposites.
This has probably been posted somewhere on this site before, but there was a great two-part Citations Needed podcast on what they called "Anodyne Foreign Policy Speak":
There needs to be a Belcher kids gif here with them fighting over nothing.
They are basically like the bro/sis team who make each other better policy wise by just being in the race. Have we collectively even thought about the fact that combined their numbers make Biden look like an afterthought?
We have to understand that we still use a primary system, including not gaining automatic points in each primary district and with the ability to shift some of those points in caucuses. So, we are still spit-balling on incomplete facts.
Post by piggy pablo on Jun 24, 2019 8:39:48 GMT -5
I think it's perfectly fine for us to talk about why we think one is better than the other. There are substantive differences between the two and they're the top two candidates for most people that post in the thread, as far as I can tell.
Just on the college debt thing, real quick: I think it's good overall, and it would certainly help me personally. But there's a little bit of it that's appealing to people who were privileged enough to even go to college, and especially to those who went to professional or graduate schools, and those people made their own decisions.
So, while I welcome it, it's also important to do things that will improve the lives of people who aren't so lucky to be in the (shrinking) middle to upper-middle class, so it also needs to come with raises in the minimum wage, universal healthcare, universal childcare, drug policy overhaul, universal voter registration, and so on.
This has probably been posted somewhere on this site before, but there was a great two-part Citations Needed podcast on what they called "Anodyne Foreign Policy Speak":
I posted part 1. haha.
They have a new one about who the "experts" are that always get quoted in pieces on Iran. It's really good. "experts say."
Look at this Starship Troopers sounding shit. My God what a bad, somewhat redundant, proposal.
I think it's perfectly fine for us to talk about why we think one is better than the other. There are substantive differences between the two and they're the top two candidates for most people that post in the thread, as far as I can tell.
Just on the college debt thing, real quick: I think it's good overall, and it would certainly help me personally. But there's a little bit of it that's appealing to people who were privileged enough to even go to college, and especially to those who went to professional or graduate schools, and those people made their own decisions.
So, while I welcome it, it's also important to do things that will improve the lives of people who aren't so lucky to be in the (shrinking) middle to upper-middle class, so it also needs to come with raises in the minimum wage, universal healthcare, universal childcare, drug policy overhaul, universal voter registration, and so on.
It's true. But we shouldn't forget that people who are also in this low-middle class also have put themselves in substantial debt and thus can't contribute or raise in the system (which stat wise raises people under them, unlike when the rich collect wealth; because of a tendency to spend said money back into the economy). Also with debt forgiveness we have to assume there will also be an adjustment of the "for profit" insured loan market for schooling at the same time. It's hard to detail both at the same time, or at least, as a campaigning point -- but it will cause more people to gain education at colleges who are in the lower class groups spoken of. Over time, and maybe as fast as a year or two afterwards, more people will be able to make said choices to gain an education that could assist them greatly in our current world design.
This has probably been posted somewhere on this site before, but there was a great two-part Citations Needed podcast on what they called "Anodyne Foreign Policy Speak":
I posted part 1. haha. They have a new one who the "experts" are that always get quoted in pieces on Iran. It's really good. "experts say."
Look at this Starship Troopers sounding shit. My God what a bad, somewhat redundant, proposal.
Higher taxes but also pro war. Beto is the true enlightened centrist.
War tax... when you are unable to just say, we need to get the fuck out of the Middle East and let them democratize themselves. Send them some damn food, clothes, and stop bombing them and they might ya know, modernize with us instead of against us.
Post by piggy pablo on Jun 24, 2019 9:11:07 GMT -5
Ideally every tax return should detail to people what their money is going to.
But yeah, idk what he's on about. They put enough tax money into the military budget that we should already easily be able to take care of our veterans. But the number one way to take care of them has to be not putting then in unnecessary combat situations and giving them PTSD and combat-related physical injuries.
I think it's perfectly fine for us to talk about why we think one is better than the other. There are substantive differences between the two and they're the top two candidates for most people that post in the thread, as far as I can tell.
Just on the college debt thing, real quick: I think it's good overall, and it would certainly help me personally. But there's a little bit of it that's appealing to people who were privileged enough to even go to college, and especially to those who went to professional or graduate schools, and those people made their own decisions.
So, while I welcome it, it's also important to do things that will improve the lives of people who aren't so lucky to be in the (shrinking) middle to upper-middle class, so it also needs to come with raises in the minimum wage, universal healthcare, universal childcare, drug policy overhaul, universal voter registration, and so on.
I was just busting your stones, buddy. I consider myself a pretty high information voter, but I don't know and can't read everything, so I appreciate opposing viewpoints (as slightly opposed as they are) popping up here to help round out my information base.
Yeah..... my hot take is that this war tax is stupid and my taxes should already be going towards veteran benefits and we shouldn't be in these wars in the first place. So excuse me for not wanting to pay more in taxes for stuff that should already be included.
I'll pay more taxes if it's for universal healthcare. Or if I ever become ultra wealthy. Then tax the shit out of me, hard.
I'm sure after the debates I'll have more candidates to direct my ire at.
Coming for you, Andrew Yang.
He's said that he is just going to continue introducing himself during this debate. If he makes it to the September debates, that is when he will more clearly draws the lines between himself and the others. If we can get to a point where it's Biden, Kamala, Pete, Beto, Warren, Bernie, Yang all duking out with much more speaking time during the debates... I think Yang will make a lot of them (not all) look bad by comparison. Not sure he will really stand out among 20 though.
If he doesn't see a bump after Thursday, I'll officially be concerned and weeping into my signed copy of his book.
Post by piggy pablo on Jun 24, 2019 9:42:52 GMT -5
The thing that concerns me about Yang is that he wants to offer the UBI in lieu of all other social services, so you could either have the 1000/month OR food stamps, Medicaid, social security.. but not both. At that point it doesn't seem like it would really help anyone and in many cases would just hurt them.
The thing that concerns me about Yang is that he wants to offer the UBI in lieu of all other social services, so you could either have the 1000/month OR food stamps, Medicaid, social security.. but not both. At that point it doesn't seem like it would really help anyone and in many cases would just hurt them.
He's been pressed on this by many progressive "youtube pundits" and has held his ground impressively. You should take a look if you haven't yet. What you are saying is correct, but it definitely wouldn't hurt anyone, and his reasoning and explanation is solid imo. Finally, when you say it doesn't seem like it will help "anyone" that much... compared to what? Free college? What are other candidates proposing that is better than giving people cash?
1. If someone is only receiving $500 in food stamps, they will receive $1000 cash under Yang's plan. That is a $500 increase in value that will absolutely make a difference. In certain cases, it means more or less than that.
2. Being universal + cash means no tracking, no reporting, no time wasting on bureaucracy. Being universal also means no worries if you do get promoted from crew member to shift manager. Doing better financially doesn't make you worried that you will lose your benefits. There is no reason to spend time under-reporting or trying to find loopholes.
4. Just want to state the obvious... some people say oh well that person is only getting $500 and Jeff Bezos gets $1000... what the heck? I'd still remind you that the 1000 means nothing to Bezos and the 500 means the world to someone who makes only a little more than that on a 2 week paycheck.
5. Finally, Yang admits that his plan isn't perfect and that he will need to do more for the poorest in our country than just the UBI alone.
My biggest concern is inflation in housing + the VAT hitting the poorest people that aren't able to use the UBI. But Yang has said that he would make consumer staples exempt from the VAT in effort to avoid this problem. I wish I had more time to go into this.