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President incites insurrection on uber popular private network after two years of dog whistling on same network = good for business.
Public opinion shifts making it bad for business.
President gets cancelled = All his crybaby moron minions now concerned with cancel culture, parroting it all over Rogan, twitter, parler, etc cuz "free speech", conveniently burying the precedent they set with lesbians not being able to buy wedding cakes, cuz "privately owned".
Meanwhile, the real problem of not regulating monopolies on new media platforms gets ignored by the FCC because "business/politics".
Thus the rise of "cancel culture", and it having very little to do with the issues of hate, lust, power, greed, or mistreatment in general.
I believe in Australia, they have a national day of apology for the treatment of the natives. In this country, we sanction the open use of water cannons in freezing temperatures against some of the last elder natives who are simply protecting all of our water. But yeah, ain't no corporation losing money on THAT.
I'm sick of it being calling canceled culture. It's fucking accountability.
New information, new decisions. Yes, people can change and deserve second chances when they do. But the problem is people are fucking horrible and don't want to change. They want what is comfortable and familiar.
They cry false outage at shit and cement further into those ideals, and social media amplifies that bad behavior. Yeah, I definitely need to quit Facebook again.
This is my take on it. Cancel culture in general is just a made up problem. If anything it’s capitalism at work. Businesses making decisions based off what they think is most profitable. The people who constantly drone on about it should be lauding it.
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Yeah and there's a Streisand Effect where for example Dr Seuss's estate sells a ton of books because people think buying things is doing politics.
And it's funny because it was whoever pulls the levers at Dr. Seuss Inc (likely his surviving family) who made the decision to pull the 6 books out of print, and to retaliate the opponents of said decision buy up tons of Dr. Seuss books, putting money directly in the pockets of those who "cancelled" Dr. Seuss.
Yeah and there's a Streisand Effect where for example Dr Seuss's estate sells a ton of books because people think buying things is doing politics.
And it's funny because it was whoever pulls the levers at Dr. Seuss Inc (likely his surviving family) who made the decision to pull the 6 books out of print, and to retaliate the opponents of said decision buy up tons of Dr. Seuss books, putting money directly in the pockets of those who "cancelled" Dr. Seuss.
fuckin morons refuse to read anything but a headline
Yeah and there's a Streisand Effect where for example Dr Seuss's estate sells a ton of books because people think buying things is doing politics.
And it's funny because it was whoever pulls the levers at Dr. Seuss Inc (likely his surviving family) who made the decision to pull the 6 books out of print, and to retaliate the opponents of said decision buy up tons of Dr. Seuss books, putting money directly in the pockets of those who "cancelled" Dr. Seuss.
It works both ways in the culture war. There are marketing strategies based on this shit.
An evolution of Mumford and Sons: I liked their first album Their second album was so-so Their third album, I only cared for 1-2 songs Their most recent album I only listened to twice
MumSons were fun during the folk revivalism of their time and really failed to keep the momentum they had when the gimmick wore off. If this means they don’t play fests anymore I’m fine with that
This is great example. This guy endorses a shitty terrible book and is basically kicked out of a band. Could you imagine firing someone at your job for liking shitty books? Could you imagine your workplace firing people over their political beliefs? It's not actually changing anyone's minds, nor is it fixing any problems.
Completely separate train of thought here, but couldn't he just change the lyric to "bow that dick like a cello"? Keeps an almost identical rhyme and flow, while continuing to be a simile with basically the same meaning
This is great example. This guy endorses a shitty terrible book and is basically kicked out of a band. Could you imagine firing someone at your job for liking shitty books? Could you imagine your workplace firing people over their political beliefs? It's not actually changing anyone's minds, nor is it fixing any problems.
I guarantee this happens more often than we think. things like "not fitting the office culture". I imagine there are all kinds of employers who would see a book on unionization on a table in a break room and get to the bottom of it.
art as a lifestyle exists in a balance between creating and sharing, and it's a privilege to get to a level that people want your art. but there are thousands of artists we know, and potentially a billion more.
he's not getting his arms cut off, he can still pick up a guitar and start his own band. a billionaire baby getting kicked out of a band because he took the veil off.
simply too many people and artists in the world to worry about cutting down the thistle and weeds.
This is great example. This guy endorses a shitty terrible book and is basically kicked out of a band. Could you imagine firing someone at your job for liking shitty books? Could you imagine your workplace firing people over their political beliefs? It's not actually changing anyone's minds, nor is it fixing any problems.
This isn't the same as liking shitty books, it's using a platform with a very wide reach to endorse hateful ideology. It's absolutely ok to fire someone for pushing racist/nationalist politics in the workplace.
Post by 3post1jack1 on Mar 10, 2021 10:31:20 GMT -5
i think every "cancel" situation has to be considered individually. and in a lot of these situations there are multiple layers to consider, and often stuff could be going on behind the scenes the public isn't privy to. as such, i am generally against twitter mobs jumping all over people without knowing all the facts, particularly when the cancelee in question isn't a celebrity.
furthermore nuance comes into this, particularly when it comes to jokes. i've said before you can joke about anything so long as you make it funny. any fan of contemporary comedy can point to a hundred different jokes that taken at face value would immediately be considered "cancellable", but taken in context of the comedian or overall project we know it isn't meant to be hateful. the example of this we talk about a lot in the TV thread is Veep. i could pull a hundred jokes from that show which taken out of the context of the show's overall tone would be considered horrible, but anyone who knows Veep knows that's just how Veep is.
and when discussing cancel culture it's also important to note the unsuccessful attempts to cancel somebody, which often go unnoticed, making the more successful attempts to cancel more visible. for example last year sometime some folks tried to drum up some outrage over RDJ doing blackface in "Tropic Thunder" and they were pretty much laughed off of twitter. while it's easy to roll our eyes at where people miss context, it's also important to point out where people do get it.
and some situations we deem a "cancellation" is just somebody saying something that pissed off a certain group of people. this isn't cancellation, it's the same shit humans have been doing since ancient greece. only in ancient greece they made you drink hemlock in prison, in 2021 you just start a substack or a podcast and make more money than you ever did pre-cancellation.
and when discussing cancel culture it's also important to note the unsuccessful attempts to cancel somebody, which often go unnoticed, making the more successful attempts to cancel more visible. for example last year sometime some folks tried to drum up some outrage over RDJ doing blackface in "Tropic Thunder" and they were pretty much laughed off of twitter. while it's easy to roll our eyes at where people miss context, it's also important to point out where people do get it.
After James Gunn was fired from Guardians of the galaxy for his old tweets, which was partially because of dumbass right wing idiot Mike Cernovich thinking he is some kind of investigative journalist, it made Cernovich think he was some powerful cancel culture dude so he started quickly going after a ton of left-leaning comedians and attempted to get them "cancelled" for their old tweets that may have been offensive or contained subject matter like underage sex or rape or other topics that are less acceptable now.
He went after Patton Oswalt, Michael Ian BLack, Sarah Silvernamn, Dan Harmon, Anthony Jesselnick, and others. He utterly failed because half of his "evidence" was taken out of context (Patton had a running joke where he'd tweet something fucked up but then continue the tweet in a second tweet making it clear that the first was just the beginning of a thought/joke.....when you leave out the second part obviously it looks bad). He thought he had this ultimate power to ruin people's careers but really he just failed.
I respect your opinions about this, but I disagree with firing/cancelling people over their opinions
You realize it's less about his opinion and more about how it affects business and the band's bottom line, right? If it didn't cause a backlash and just went under the radar he wouldn't be "taking time away" from the band for sharing his opinion on a book.
This is great example. This guy endorses a shitty terrible book and is basically kicked out of a band. Could you imagine firing someone at your job for liking shitty books? Could you imagine your workplace firing people over their political beliefs? It's not actually changing anyone's minds, nor is it fixing any problems.
I think there are two separate issues here.
#1: his actual beliefs. I don't think he got kicked out of the band because of this. Many people in music think the same stuff as the MumSons guy's posts, notably Rick Rubin, who are still very hireable. #2: being dumb enough to make that post. It's a PR concern and will hurt the money of the other members of the group. If I were someone whose group/company/etc. suffered financial harm because of a tweet of another member, I would be very annoyed/angry.
If he gets canned its not because of #1, its because of #2, and I think thats very reasonable.
I respect your opinions about this, but I disagree with firing/cancelling people over their opinions
It's about when and how you express your opinions, not the opinions themselves. Expressing toxic opinions at work can even create a legally actionable hostile work environment. It also limits the range of people that would be interested in working for you. Good luck ever hiring or retaining women or PoC if you run a workplace that tolerates openly hateful bullshit.
It should be noted that people who are "cancelled" are rarely formally cancelled. Usually someone does something offensive and people are just done with them. Being "against" that is kinda silly.
Considering I work with a number of far-right leaning individuals, I usually keep my mouth shut when it comes to politics and current affairs.
There's at least one Three Percenter. There might be Oath Keepers, wouldn't surprise me if there was. My supervisor is a NRA member and openly talks about Trump. I've seen several people have Breitbart loaded up on their computers. One of my coworkers listens to talk radio all day long.
I do not match up with the culture here at all, which is the worst part of being here.
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