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Post by itrainmonkeys on Oct 26, 2021 0:36:49 GMT -5
He seems to really be whining about people being critical of him. Didn't he say he loves being canceled? But now his movie is that is touring arenas was uninvited to some film festivals and he thinks he's being silenced?
Is this just a case of a rich guy not being told "no" for a while? He seems out of touch about what the real issues are these days
He seems to really be whining about people being critical of him. Didn't he say he loves being canceled? But now his movie is that is touring arenas was uninvited to some film festivals and he thinks he's being silenced?
Is this just a case of a rich guy not being told "no" for a while? He seems out of touch about what the real issues are these days
i didn't watch the netflix special, he seems really drunk in all the clips i've seen of him recently, .
Post by 3post1jack1 on Oct 26, 2021 13:20:27 GMT -5
i watched The Closer. i think my opinion of it is pretty reflective of the "mainstream" opinion (which fwiw means various people on reddit and twitter). definitely not his best special, not a ton of memorable jokes, it was more of chappelle getting things off his chest, for better or worse.
there were two jokes that were particularly funny. first, him talking about how Da Baby "killed a <person> in a Wal-Mart in North Carolina". this was so shocking to me that i laughed quite involuntarily, since i was completely unaware that Da Baby murdered somebody. to be fair i don't really follow Da Baby's career, but it does say something that, as a casual observer of pop culture, i was aware that Da Baby said some homophobic things at a concert, but was not aware that he had murdered somebody at a Wal-Mart in North Carolina. there is a lot to unpack there. the second joke was kind of a throwaway line about how "trans people make up words to win arguments". again i laughed involuntarily, not because trans activists actually make up words, but because i am unable to follow the arguments of some trans activists because of my own ignorance, even though i wish nothing for that community other than peace, love, joy, and acceptance.
aside from those jokes, the line his trans friend said to him: "i don't need you to understand me, but i do need you to understand i'm having a human experience" just hit me right in the fucking gut.
he also had at least one trans joke that was needlessly cruel and i think he should have cut, i won't repeat it here.
so yeah a mixed bag. but good bad or indifferent, the special has become a flash point in the culture, and has generated a great deal of speech. i'm a fan of speech, and i think the best way to combat speech we disagree with is with more speech, rather than attempting to silence speech. so perhaps naively i think it's a good thing for dave to say what he wants to say and for activists to say they don't like what he said. i don't equate bad speech with harm or violence except in very rare situations. To me typically more speech is a good thing, even if i disagree with it.
having said all that, the special gave me the impression that these were dave's last words on the topic, so i wish he wasn't going around talking about being silenced or cancelled. obviously dave chappelle isn't silenced or cancelled.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Oct 26, 2021 16:38:36 GMT -5
I think if DaBaby had pulled out a gun and murdered someone on stage at Rolling Loud he would have been cancelled for that too. Chapelle he’s trying to make it into some bullshit about how gays have all the power in America and that’s not what happened at all and he should know that.
He’s a whiny joke repeater dead set on tarnishing his legacy to make millions from the cancel culture bros. I don’t think he’s starting any meaningful discussion rather than being a bullhorn for people who don’t understand that they don’t understand everything
Post by problem dog on Oct 26, 2021 16:51:08 GMT -5
More speech isn't good speech when it normalizes negative perceptions of an already marginalized group. He has a massive platform, and there's been a lot of "finally, someone willing to speak the truth" reactions from conservatives and Brogan shitheads. He's emboldening bigots.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Oct 26, 2021 16:54:13 GMT -5
DaBaby said he acted in self defense and he wasn’t charged by the police (meaning he did not, legally speaking, murder anyone). Since it happened in a Walmart parking lot and not on stage at a music festival, the general public has no basis to question his story and the decision not to charge him, so he got the benefit of the doubt. If you’re against cancel culture isn’t that exactly what you’d want?
I think if DaBaby had pulled out a gun and murdered someone on stage at Rolling Loud he would have been cancelled for that too. Chapelle he’s trying to make it into some bullshit about how gays have all the power in America and that’s not what happened at all and he should know that.
if trans people had .00000001 percent of the power Chappelle thinks we do, I would take that.
Eve 6 was one of my first concerts, in the student center of my college. I don't remember enough of it to say if they were good or not, but I had a fun time.
I will say about The Dave Chappelle Thing is that all this stuff is coming out at a cultural moment where you have people like JK Rowling and Margaret Atwood also spreading TERF ideology and whining about being 'cancelled' too, the BBC being openly transphobic, and right-wing legislators in this country festering a moral panic about trans athletes. None of these people or institutions have been deplatformed in any meaningful way. I think what's also disappointing is to hear this kind of basically open bigotry from an ostensibly liberal guy and it sucks to see him contributing to a cultural wave of reactionary bigotry peddled by other people who were, at least at one point, also ostensibly liberal.
I haven't watched the special because I watched the first two Chappelle Netflix specials and thought both of them were horrendous (and this was before there was any transphobic content in them!). It's a shame because he's one of the few comedians I've ever seen live and I thought he was great when I saw him. It sucks to see him stoop so low and while I don't expect any olive branches from any corporations it sucks to see a company that brands itself as progressive like Netflix to basically claim their hands are tied while fucking over their trans employees who (rightfully, I think) don't want to be denigrated by the people their company is handing out millions of dollars to who make content that's not even profitable for them.
Also also, Netflix has already clearly taken an ideologically liberal stance - they gave pretty big platforms for people like Hasan Minhaj and Michelle Wolf to do explicitly political comedy and haven't do so for conservative commentators/comedians. It's not like Ben Shapiro gets a weekly show on Netflix.
So I’m trying to decide whether to watch this thing or not.
Did you watch the last one? It’s just him repeating the jokes in a harsher, more inflammatory way. Go ahead if you haven’t seen that but all the same topics are touched on (calling lgbtq people “letter people”, Kevin hart, etc)
