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Post by Fozzie Bear on Dec 3, 2019 12:27:28 GMT -5
I haven't seen the extended cut, but I will recommend reading the graphic novel as a primer to the show. Especially because it seems like the show continues on from the graphic novel's ending.
I always liked the movie (never read outside a few excerpts here and there) and never saw the extended cut. it has it's problems but its still a pretty good comic movie.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Dec 3, 2019 18:38:45 GMT -5
I had to really re-watch it and know that it's a different kind of hero/comic story. Like....when I originally saw it when it came out I think I was expecting it to be like a typical superhero movie. It's not. It's something much more.
The really long extended cut one I saw (longest of the three) has an extended animation mini-story that is good and more relevant to the comic but not totally necessary for the movie. Could just watch the other directors cut one and be fine.
Definitely keep in mind that the ending is different so you'll need to focus on the comic ending, not the movie ending. Still very similar but a few main differences.
Is the show good or does it just have a lot of pop culture references and good music?
I'm confused man. This is the first show to take a darker view on the goods/bads of superheroes; maybe watching it out of order does it dis-justice narrative wise; but the only thing that you could be annoyed about is the reveals. But there has never been more blatant showing of the complications of race relations, what super hero's probably really stem from in any possible reality, and that there would be HUGE consequences from their direct interaction with society?
Maybe it's me, but the on-the-nose music has always been so well timed that I only saw it as "we could actually afford this"
Is the show good or does it just have a lot of pop culture references and good music?
I'm confused man. This is the first show to take a darker view on the goods/bads of superheroes; maybe watching it out of order does it dis-justice narrative wise; but the only thing that you could be annoyed about is the reveals. But there has never been more blatant showing of the complications of race relations, what super hero's probably really stem from in any possible reality, and that there would be HUGE consequences from their direct interaction with society?
Maybe it's me, but the on-the-nose music has always been so well timed that I only saw it as "we could actually afford this"
The Boys took a satirical, irreverent look at superheroes and came out earlier this year. It's more comedic and its social commentary is more focused on consumerism/marketing and somewhat on religion. I found that show more entertaining and interesting than I have Watchmen so far.
I watched most of the second episode today before leaving for dinner, and I'm finishing it now. Idk what it is but I'm just not really feeling it the way I see my friends talk about it and the critics raving about it. I never was super into the original comic and the movie (the movie having a similar overuse of well-known pop music imo). I don't think it's terrible, but I don't think it's that great, either.
It would be wrong for me to comment on what the show has to say about race, having not seen all of it. I'll save any thoughts I have on that. I'd rather hear what others have to say.
My takeaway has just been that on a stylistic level that the show is using the cultural and emotional weight of music cues in a way that is overt and not necessarily earned. The music is doing so much of the heavy lifting, trying to convince me that the show is good or edgy because they use a Future song or Beastie Boys or whatever it happens to be.
That's not to say music can't be used in a great way to enhance what is seen on-screen. Girls used a cover of Life on Mars in a way that absolutely devastated me and really enhanced what I had seen in the episode. I didn't feel the same way about it last night, and I'm the biggest Trent Reznor fanboy I know. If anyone was predisposed to be into the music in the show, it would probably be me. On the other hand, maybe that's why my viewpoint is so focused on the music.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Dec 3, 2019 19:45:50 GMT -5
The music on the show is awesome and enhances it. I love the score and the soundtrack choices so far. First episode had some synthy horror vibes at the end and it really set the mood.
Keep watching. I feel the show only gets better but I also loved the first two so maybe you'll warm up to it or maybe it's just not your thing
Post by piggy pablo on Dec 3, 2019 19:47:54 GMT -5
I actually like the original music in the show a lot. It's got this kinetic, driving quality in certain parts that I think is good at keeping the energy up, and more atmospheric, creepy parts in others.
The movie is about as good as a Zack Snyder movie could be. It feels underwhelming considering the iconic source material, but I wouldn't call it bad, just mediocre.
The movie is about as good as a Zack Snyder movie could be. It feels underwhelming considering the iconic source material, but I wouldn't call it bad, just mediocre.
Yeah, but Patrick Wilson and Jackie Earle Haley rock and I love everything they do in the movie and pretty much anything I see them in.
The movie is about as good as a Zack Snyder movie could be. It feels underwhelming considering the iconic source material, but I wouldn't call it bad, just mediocre.
Yeah, but Patrick Wilson and Jackie Earle Haley rock and I love everything they do in the movie and pretty much anything I see them in.
I like Patrick Wilson but I thought he fell a little flat in this one. Awesome in Aquaman though.
A Patrick Wilson sex scene was definitely something that didn't need to be as long as it was.
That scene epitomizes the big flaw of the movie: style over substance. That scene carries big weight in the graphic novel, but the movie completely misses the point.
Also, forgot the movie glossed over a pretty huge part of Rorschach's character development. Bleh.
So I'm totally convinced that everything is going according to Trieu's plan, much like Veidt's in the graphic novel. Even that the 7K has a bunch of Trieu tech points to the fact she is playing both sides. I'm trying to think who the wildcard will be, who will throw a wrench in the whole operation. It isn't Laurie, even though she is probably the smartest one in the room, she's basically being used as bait at this point. It could be mirror guy, but we don't even know where he stands after his whole world got torn down. Then it occurred to me. The true wild card that Trieu herself couldn't even account for.
Lubeman will save us all.
Can't wait til Sunday! It's gonna be a wild ride! I low key hope Billy Crudup reprises his role. It would probably make a lot of people really mad, but I loved his performance in film and I would scream.
The 14yo is lobbying hard for this one. Im thinking about watching it with him as there are mature themes but everything is given proper weight.
Has he seen the movie or know the comic? Or just interested cuz it's the new big HBO show getting some buzz?
Either way, I agree the show doesn't get too bad in terms of adult stuff. Sure there's sex stuff and killings but nothing super gratuitous or obnoxious
The 14yo is lobbying hard for this one. Im thinking about watching it with him as there are mature themes but everything is given proper weight.
Has he seen the movie or know the comic? Or just interested cuz it's the new big HBO show getting some buzz?
Either way, I agree the show doesn't get too bad in terms of adult stuff. Sure there's sex stuff and killings but nothing super gratuitous or obnoxious
He knows the comic. I think there's also a certain amount of interest sparking in more adult things recently just because they're more appealing.
Not sure how I feel about this episode. I mean, it was awesome. Loved how they handled Dr. Manhatten's perception of time, and the ending scene was crazy.
But I have a really tough time believing that he couldn't have prevented the "tragedy", or couldn't have known there was that one Kavalry member left to fire the teleport cannon thing. It's like he just let himself get captured. Gotta be more to this that we'll learn next week?
Not sure how I feel about this episode. I mean, it was awesome. Loved how they handled Dr. Manhatten's perception of time, and the ending scene was crazy.
But I have a really tough time believing that he couldn't have prevented the "tragedy", or couldn't have known there was that one Kavalry member left to fire the teleport cannon thing. It's like he just let himself get captured. Gotta be more to this that we'll learn next week?
I'm no hardcore fan so this is just based on me reading other stuff from people online but I think maybe it could be explained that:
Something with tachyons being a thing that do fuck with Dr. Manhattan? I think that's also from the comics from what I've read online but not sure. Something about the presence of them throw him off. Here's from Alan Sepinwall's review for Rolling Stone that I got some detail from:
She desperately wants a family with him, but being with someone who knows every moment of their existence together in advance is too much to handle. So she takes this extraordinary step — and he cares for her enough to agree, even if he doesn’t yet know how it was he fell in love with her in the first place(*). All that matters to Dr. Manhattan is that he has always loved Angela, and he has always agreed to spend a decade with her inside the tunnel of love.
(*) Perhaps this is like how, in the comic, Manhattan is utterly blindsided by every move that Veidt makes against him: tachyons (faster-than-light particles, which Joe Keene’s troops use in their teleportation device) cloud his usual omniscience not only in the moment that they’re used, but for a period of time before and after. Regardless of what causes the blockage, the moment where Manhattan watches, struck with both awe and love, as Angela opens up her Sister Night arsenal to wage a hopeless battle against the Seventh Kavalry is as romantic as a scene involving semiautomatic weapons can or should be.
Not sure how I feel about this episode. I mean, it was awesome. Loved how they handled Dr. Manhatten's perception of time, and the ending scene was crazy.
But I have a really tough time believing that he couldn't have prevented the "tragedy", or couldn't have known there was that one Kavalry member left to fire the teleport cannon thing. It's like he just let himself get captured. Gotta be more to this that we'll learn next week?
I'm no hardcore fan so this is just based on me reading other stuff from people online but I think maybe it could be explained that:
Something with tachyons being a thing that do fuck with Dr. Manhattan? I think that's also from the comics from what I've read online but not sure. Something about the presence of them throw him off. Here's from Alan Sepinwall's review for Rolling Stone that I got some detail from:
She desperately wants a family with him, but being with someone who knows every moment of their existence together in advance is too much to handle. So she takes this extraordinary step — and he cares for her enough to agree, even if he doesn’t yet know how it was he fell in love with her in the first place(*). All that matters to Dr. Manhattan is that he has always loved Angela, and he has always agreed to spend a decade with her inside the tunnel of love.
(*) Perhaps this is like how, in the comic, Manhattan is utterly blindsided by every move that Veidt makes against him: tachyons (faster-than-light particles, which Joe Keene’s troops use in their teleportation device) cloud his usual omniscience not only in the moment that they’re used, but for a period of time before and after. Regardless of what causes the blockage, the moment where Manhattan watches, struck with both awe and love, as Angela opens up her Sister Night arsenal to wage a hopeless battle against the Seventh Kavalry is as romantic as a scene involving semiautomatic weapons can or should be.
that he would for sure bite the dust? I want to think with him still being featured in the clip for next week's episode, that maybe the tragedy he is talking about is Angela getting killed.
Something with tachyons being a thing that do fuck with Dr. Manhattan? I think that's also from the comics from what I've read online but not sure. Something about the presence of them throw him off. Here's from Alan Sepinwall's review for Rolling Stone that I got some detail from:
that he would for sure bite the dust? I want to think with him still being featured in the clip for next week's episode, that maybe the tragedy he is talking about is Angela getting killed.
I do not think they they ever explicitly said that it can 100% happen, but all the smart people seem to be taking it seriously. This leads me to assume that it is theoretically possible at least. There was the scene with him talking about transferring his particles to another being through the use of an inanimate object that the second person could consume.
I agree that there is a strong likelihood that the tragedy is something aside from Dr. Manhattan's death. I could see it as Angela's death, but I do not think him being in the clip is proof of it. He said during the episode that 7K is going to teleport him against his will with the cannon. My thought would be that the scenes from the trailer are clips from whatever changeover process has to happen since they also showed shirtless Keane in another chamber.
Putting this together, my money is on Dr. Manhattan losing his powers in some way whether they go to Keane but the process goes wrong or he transfers them to Angela on the sly. What is getting me is that there are two big factors floating around out there. One, Veidt is still in play, but I am not sold on him coming in to save anything. Two, Lady Trieu's clock cannot be nothing especially since they established the bond between Hooded Justice and Dr. Manhattan. Dr. Manhattan's involvement would certainly explain how she knew about the meteor strike at the farm in advance.
This was said in jest, but I think it's right. Dr M with the egg and saying he could perhaps pass on his powers lines up curiously well with Will Reeves hard boiling eggs and being able to pull them from the water without burning himself.
Post by justinmn9319 on Dec 10, 2019 11:18:56 GMT -5
i just hit the stop casting thing on my phone and heard a voice on the screen so i got lucky that i actually caught the end credit scene on the first watch
