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Just found out all our offices in the US will require you to be vaccinated. Only exempt for medical reasons. That's about 70k employees for one of the biggest tech companies in the world.
If more big companies with offices in Texas decide to do this it will be interesting to see if Abbott decides to pick a fight with them.
iirc correctly when the big companies threatened to leave over the bathroom bill Abbott had a more let's all settle down approach compared to Patrick's fuck them let them leave attitude
"The hordes of people expected to descend on Chicago's Grant Park for the Lollapalooza music festival this week will be required to show proof that they've been vaccinated for COVID-19 or tested negative for the disease within the last three days.
...This year's festival will look very different than in the past. To gain entry, attendees will have to present their vaccination cards or a printed copy of a negative COVID-19 test that is no more than 72 hours old. That means that anyone with a four-day pass who isn't vaccinated will have to get tested twice. Furthermore, anyone who isn't vaccinated will have to wear a mask."
"The hordes of people expected to descend on Chicago's Grant Park for the Lollapalooza music festival this week will be required to show proof that they've been vaccinated for COVID-19 or tested negative for the disease within the last three days.
...This year's festival will look very different than in the past. To gain entry, attendees will have to present their vaccination cards or a printed copy of a negative COVID-19 test that is no more than 72 hours old. That means that anyone with a four-day pass who isn't vaccinated will have to get tested twice. Furthermore, anyone who isn't vaccinated will have to wear a mask."
I wish there was a way to track the number of vaccine proofs vs. number of negative tests. Despite all the bad news, I still get the feeling that 95% or more of people actively choosing to attend large music festivals are vaccinated.
"The hordes of people expected to descend on Chicago's Grant Park for the Lollapalooza music festival this week will be required to show proof that they've been vaccinated for COVID-19 or tested negative for the disease within the last three days.
...This year's festival will look very different than in the past. To gain entry, attendees will have to present their vaccination cards or a printed copy of a negative COVID-19 test that is no more than 72 hours old. That means that anyone with a four-day pass who isn't vaccinated will have to get tested twice. Furthermore, anyone who isn't vaccinated will have to wear a mask."
I wish there was a way to track the number of vaccine proofs vs. number of negative tests. Despite all the bad news, I still get the feeling that 95% or more of people actively choosing to attend large music festivals are vaccinated.
I wish there was a way to track the number of vaccine proofs vs. number of negative tests. Despite all the bad news, I still get the feeling that 95% or more of people actively choosing to attend large music festivals are vaccinated.
There's no way.
Obviously not a large sample size and probably doesn’t mean shit, but everyone I saw walking in showed a vaccine card not a COVID test
Lolla is the only major festival requiring vaccines or negative tests to get in. I doubt any other festival will have anywhere near the percent of vaccinated attendees.
I really wonder how everybody who attended Rolling Loud is feeling today.
Welp.
I saw this a couple of days ago. She was feeling symptoms on the 25th. The timeline suggests she had it before the festival. Still not great obviously.
"The hordes of people expected to descend on Chicago's Grant Park for the Lollapalooza music festival this week will be required to show proof that they've been vaccinated for COVID-19 or tested negative for the disease within the last three days.
...This year's festival will look very different than in the past. To gain entry, attendees will have to present their vaccination cards or a printed copy of a negative COVID-19 test that is no more than 72 hours old. That means that anyone with a four-day pass who isn't vaccinated will have to get tested twice. Furthermore, anyone who isn't vaccinated will have to wear a mask."
I wish there was a way to track the number of vaccine proofs vs. number of negative tests. Despite all the bad news, I still get the feeling that 95% or more of people actively choosing to attend large music festivals are vaccinated.
I've been surprised with working at a festival an adult summer camp this weekend. I will report back with what I see from both the production/work side and the festival goers. These tucked mini-festivals I think will show a lot of how they'll behave in even larger groups if music is blaring
yesterday my work went to masks required in all buildings for all employees, vaxxed or not.
and new data from the CDC seems like things could be grim:
The delta variant of the coronavirus appears to cause more severe illness than earlier variants and spreads as easily as chickenpox, according to an internal federal health document that argues officials must “acknowledge the war has changed.”
The document is an internal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention slide presentation, shared within the CDC and obtained by The Washington Post. It captures the struggle of the nation’s top public health agency to persuade the public to embrace vaccination and prevention measures, including mask-wearing, as cases surge across the United States and new research suggests vaccinated people can spread the virus.
The document strikes an urgent note, revealing the agency knows it must revamp its public messaging to emphasize vaccination as the best defense against a variant so contagious that it acts almost like a different novel virus, leaping from target to target more swiftly than Ebola or the common cold.
It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant.
“I finished reading it significantly more concerned than when I began,” Robert Wachter, chairman of the Department of Medicine at the University of California at San Francisco, wrote in an email.
Does it sound correct, that if you're fully vaccinated against covid you have a better chance of dieing from the Flu than you do covid?
I was listening to something on the radio this morning but can't find anything online with a direct comparison.
I mean, your risk of dying from the flu is already pretty low unless you have some other health problem, are elderly, or really young. The vaccine so far has shown excellent efficacy in preventing death (and even hospitalization) form COVID. It would be really hard to calculate the actual difference in risk factor for the two because "flu" is a giant umbrella term (just like "corona virus" is) and the confounding factors that influence death vary greatly.
The flu is not known the cause major long term health problems; however preliminary data shows that COVID19 cuold have long term cognitive and cardiovascular effects and there a numerous anecdotal reports of lack of taste and smell persisting for months after infection even in vaccianted people.
Personally, as a Covid-vaccinated person, I'd much rather get the flu. But there are also flu shots...
Post by jorgeandthekraken on Jul 30, 2021 10:10:00 GMT -5
Having read some more analysis of the CDC doc, I'm still bummed, but less ready for ritual suicide. It boils down to a few key points:
- Delta is stupid contagious. We knew this already. Everybody's freaking out about "as contagious as chickenpox" as if that means something new in a quantitative sense, but the data on that has been there since India's Delta wave reached its apex, at least.
- Vaccine efficacy against symptomatic infection is *slightly* diminished vs. Delta -I think the data in the doc still had it somewhere in the 80-something percent range - as is efficacy against any infection at all - 75-80%. This seems like a huge drag, but a virologist I follow said that, when the vaccines were under development, everyone in the medical community would have been THRILLED with a vaccine that was 70% effective against symptomatic disease. We all got spoiled by the stunning results of the trials, because 80-something percent effectiveness against symptomatic disease is still fantastic.
- Vaccine efficacy against hospitalization and death remains in the 90-something percentile range vs. Delta.
- Breakthrough infection is still statistically rare. It's hard, because I think lay people hear the word "rare" and think "next to impossible." But, like...if 1.62 million people are vaccinated, and 5% of them get infected, that's a "rare" event, but you're still looking at 81,000 people - more than attend Bonnaroo. So, there are going to be a lot of breakthrough infections with Delta in an absolute sense, but chances of infection are still dramatically reduced by vaccination.
- Vaccinated people who experience a breakthrough infection still carry a significant viral load in their upper respiratory tract, and it appears that vaccinated-to-vaccinated transmission in those cases is possible. This is the real downer, as early evidence vs. wild-type and Alpha seemed to indicate it wasn't a thing. I'm seeing *some* dispute of this from scientists I follow, along the lines of "Viral load in the nose as measured by PCR test doesn't automatically equal infectiveness," but the general consensus so far seems to be that it's a shift in what we can expect out of vaccine-induced immunity. Which, again, is a drag.
So...I don't know. It's not the best news, but it's not as apocalyptic as it appeared to me at first read. I think what it ultimately says is that we very much, as both individuals and a collective, need to come to grips with the fact that SARS-CoV2 is endemic. It's just here, and it's going to be around for the rest of our lives, and we'll all probably get it at least once at some point, some day. The key will be whether, getting it, we'll just feel like crap for 5 days or so, or end up in the hospital or morgue. Hopefully, science will keep working and get us ever further from the latter.
I don't know. I was really down in the dumps last night, but then I thought about HIV/AIDS. If you time-traveled back to the mid-'80s and told people that someone who contracts HIV today can live a long, healthy life with next to no virus in their body, they would have thought you were nuts. Admittedly, it took a long time to get there...but we did, and as nasty as even the Delta variant of this virus is, HIV is far, far nastier. We'll get there. It's just going to take longer than any of us would have wanted.
Having read some more analysis of the CDC doc, I'm still bummed, but less ready for ritual suicide. It boils down to a few key points:
- Delta is stupid contagious. We knew this already. Everybody's freaking out about "as contagious as chickenpox" as if that means something new in a quantitative sense, but the data on that has been there since India's Delta wave reached its apex, at least.
- Vaccine efficacy against symptomatic infection is *slightly* diminished vs. Delta -I think the data in the doc still had it somewhere in the 80-something percent range - as is efficacy against any infection at all - 75-80%. This seems like a huge drag, but a virologist I follow said that, when the vaccines were under development, everyone in the medical community would have been THRILLED with a vaccine that was 70% effective against symptomatic disease. We all got spoiled by the stunning results of the trials, because 80-something percent effectiveness against symptomatic disease is still fantastic.
- Vaccine efficacy against hospitalization and death remains in the 90-something percentile range vs. Delta.
- Breakthrough infection is still statistically rare. It's hard, because I think lay people hear the word "rare" and think "next to impossible." But, like...if 1.62 million people are vaccinated, and 5% of them get infected, that's a "rare" event, but you're still looking at 81,000 people - more than attend Bonnaroo. So, there are going to be a lot of breakthrough infections with Delta in an absolute sense, but chances of infection are still dramatically reduced by vaccination.
- Vaccinated people who experience a breakthrough infection still carry a significant viral load in their upper respiratory tract, and it appears that vaccinated-to-vaccinated transmission in those cases is possible. This is the real downer, as early evidence vs. wild-type and Alpha seemed to indicate it wasn't a thing. I'm seeing *some* dispute of this from scientists I follow, along the lines of "Viral load in the nose as measured by PCR test doesn't automatically equal infectiveness," but the general consensus so far seems to be that it's a shift in what we can expect out of vaccine-induced immunity. Which, again, is a drag.
So...I don't know. It's not the best news, but it's not as apocalyptic as it appeared to me at first read. I think what it ultimately says is that we very much, as both individuals and a collective, need to come to grips with the fact that SARS-CoV2 is endemic. It's just here, and it's going to be around for the rest of our lives, and we'll all probably get it at least once at some point, some day. The key will be whether, getting it, we'll just feel like crap for 5 days or so, or end up in the hospital or morgue. Hopefully, science will keep working and get us ever further from the latter.
I don't know. I was really down in the dumps last night, but then I thought about HIV/AIDS. If you time-traveled back to the mid-'80s and told people that someone who contracts HIV today can live a long, healthy life with next to no virus in their body, they would have thought you were nuts. Admittedly, it took a long time to get there...but we did, and as nasty as even the Delta variant of this virus is, HIV is far, far nastier. We'll get there. It's just going to take longer than any of us would have wanted.
Thank you for this breakdown, was very helpful for me.
Having read some more analysis of the CDC doc, I'm still bummed, but less ready for ritual suicide. It boils down to a few key points:
- Delta is stupid contagious. We knew this already. Everybody's freaking out about "as contagious as chickenpox" as if that means something new in a quantitative sense, but the data on that has been there since India's Delta wave reached its apex, at least.
- Vaccine efficacy against symptomatic infection is *slightly* diminished vs. Delta -I think the data in the doc still had it somewhere in the 80-something percent range - as is efficacy against any infection at all - 75-80%. This seems like a huge drag, but a virologist I follow said that, when the vaccines were under development, everyone in the medical community would have been THRILLED with a vaccine that was 70% effective against symptomatic disease. We all got spoiled by the stunning results of the trials, because 80-something percent effectiveness against symptomatic disease is still fantastic.
- Vaccine efficacy against hospitalization and death remains in the 90-something percentile range vs. Delta.
- Breakthrough infection is still statistically rare. It's hard, because I think lay people hear the word "rare" and think "next to impossible." But, like...if 1.62 million people are vaccinated, and 5% of them get infected, that's a "rare" event, but you're still looking at 81,000 people - more than attend Bonnaroo. So, there are going to be a lot of breakthrough infections with Delta in an absolute sense, but chances of infection are still dramatically reduced by vaccination.
- Vaccinated people who experience a breakthrough infection still carry a significant viral load in their upper respiratory tract, and it appears that vaccinated-to-vaccinated transmission in those cases is possible. This is the real downer, as early evidence vs. wild-type and Alpha seemed to indicate it wasn't a thing. I'm seeing *some* dispute of this from scientists I follow, along the lines of "Viral load in the nose as measured by PCR test doesn't automatically equal infectiveness," but the general consensus so far seems to be that it's a shift in what we can expect out of vaccine-induced immunity. Which, again, is a drag.
So...I don't know. It's not the best news, but it's not as apocalyptic as it appeared to me at first read. I think what it ultimately says is that we very much, as both individuals and a collective, need to come to grips with the fact that SARS-CoV2 is endemic. It's just here, and it's going to be around for the rest of our lives, and we'll all probably get it at least once at some point, some day. The key will be whether, getting it, we'll just feel like crap for 5 days or so, or end up in the hospital or morgue. Hopefully, science will keep working and get us ever further from the latter.
I don't know. I was really down in the dumps last night, but then I thought about HIV/AIDS. If you time-traveled back to the mid-'80s and told people that someone who contracts HIV today can live a long, healthy life with next to no virus in their body, they would have thought you were nuts. Admittedly, it took a long time to get there...but we did, and as nasty as even the Delta variant of this virus is, HIV is far, far nastier. We'll get there. It's just going to take longer than any of us would have wanted.
Thank you for this!
Meeting with my boss in an hour regarding going back to the office... I'm going to stand firm in my desire to not go back until my kid is vaccinated. We shall see how it goes.
Having read some more analysis of the CDC doc, I'm still bummed, but less ready for ritual suicide. It boils down to a few key points:
- Delta is stupid contagious. We knew this already. Everybody's freaking out about "as contagious as chickenpox" as if that means something new in a quantitative sense, but the data on that has been there since India's Delta wave reached its apex, at least.
- Vaccine efficacy against symptomatic infection is *slightly* diminished vs. Delta -I think the data in the doc still had it somewhere in the 80-something percent range - as is efficacy against any infection at all - 75-80%. This seems like a huge drag, but a virologist I follow said that, when the vaccines were under development, everyone in the medical community would have been THRILLED with a vaccine that was 70% effective against symptomatic disease. We all got spoiled by the stunning results of the trials, because 80-something percent effectiveness against symptomatic disease is still fantastic.
- Vaccine efficacy against hospitalization and death remains in the 90-something percentile range vs. Delta.
- Breakthrough infection is still statistically rare. It's hard, because I think lay people hear the word "rare" and think "next to impossible." But, like...if 1.62 million people are vaccinated, and 5% of them get infected, that's a "rare" event, but you're still looking at 81,000 people - more than attend Bonnaroo. So, there are going to be a lot of breakthrough infections with Delta in an absolute sense, but chances of infection are still dramatically reduced by vaccination.
- Vaccinated people who experience a breakthrough infection still carry a significant viral load in their upper respiratory tract, and it appears that vaccinated-to-vaccinated transmission in those cases is possible. This is the real downer, as early evidence vs. wild-type and Alpha seemed to indicate it wasn't a thing. I'm seeing *some* dispute of this from scientists I follow, along the lines of "Viral load in the nose as measured by PCR test doesn't automatically equal infectiveness," but the general consensus so far seems to be that it's a shift in what we can expect out of vaccine-induced immunity. Which, again, is a drag.
So...I don't know. It's not the best news, but it's not as apocalyptic as it appeared to me at first read. I think what it ultimately says is that we very much, as both individuals and a collective, need to come to grips with the fact that SARS-CoV2 is endemic. It's just here, and it's going to be around for the rest of our lives, and we'll all probably get it at least once at some point, some day. The key will be whether, getting it, we'll just feel like crap for 5 days or so, or end up in the hospital or morgue. Hopefully, science will keep working and get us ever further from the latter.
I don't know. I was really down in the dumps last night, but then I thought about HIV/AIDS. If you time-traveled back to the mid-'80s and told people that someone who contracts HIV today can live a long, healthy life with next to no virus in their body, they would have thought you were nuts. Admittedly, it took a long time to get there...but we did, and as nasty as even the Delta variant of this virus is, HIV is far, far nastier. We'll get there. It's just going to take longer than any of us would have wanted.
Thank you for this!
Meeting with my boss in an hour regarding going back to the office... I'm going to stand firm in my desire to not go back until my kid is vaccinated. We shall see how it goes.
Ugh, good luck. As someone with a WFH adverse boss, I know how stressful preparing for this talk can be.
Meeting with my boss in an hour regarding going back to the office... I'm going to stand firm in my desire to not go back until my kid is vaccinated. We shall see how it goes.
Ugh, good luck. As someone with a WFH adverse boss, I know how stressful preparing for this talk can be.
SO fucking stressful. Especially since HR denied my request already. So now it's just up to me and my boss to hash it out.
It's extra annoying that we all had to flee from the office and figure out how to work from home on a dime, but now they just want us to come back in as cases are rising again and young kids still can't be vaccinated for no apparent reason. Like, wtf y'all.
Ugh, good luck. As someone with a WFH adverse boss, I know how stressful preparing for this talk can be.
SO fucking stressful. Especially since HR denied my request already. So now it's just up to me and my boss to hash it out.
It's extra annoying that we all had to flee from the office and figure out how to work from home on a dime, but now they just want us to come back in as cases are rising again and young kids still can't be vaccinated for no apparent reason. Like, wtf y'all.
At my workplace, they initially started bringing everyone back in the office in June 2020 (WHY?!), then shit really hit the fan and in October a ton of our employees tested positive. So they sent us back home through the holidays, and then back in office again in January 2021. Technically we're supposed to have a 4 days in/1 day at home schedule now, but it's "at your supervisor's discretion," and of course, my supervisor's discretion is a shitty one.
I don't understand why workplaces are so against WFH. It's bananas. If you can't keep track of whether or not your employees are getting their work done, well maybe you're just a terrible boss.