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The anti-vax and vaccine hesitancy is really spinning my brain into a pretzel. I do not understand why this one vaccine is such a big deal compared to all of the other vaccines people have gotten throughout their lifetimes? We've eradicated Polio. We've eradicated Smallpox. Who decided to not trust this one all of a sudden? I generally don't try and blame people for their beliefs because it likely wasn't even their choice to get to that point in the first place, but like, what the fuck? Where is this coming from?
I'm fucking pissed off. Don't know why its really hitting me now, but I am just so fed up with this anti-science, conspiratorial bullshit. Am I out of line? This is such a trivial fucking task - milliliters of liquid into your arm - that will literally save human lives, and people refuse to do it because the internet said so. Does anyone have any type of hope to bestow upon me? I am down in the dumps about this right now.
The anti-vax and vaccine hesitancy is really spinning my brain into a pretzel. I do not understand why this one vaccine is such a big deal compared to all of the other vaccines people have gotten throughout their lifetimes? We've eradicated Polio. We've eradicated Smallpox. Who decided to not trust this one all of a sudden? I generally don't try and blame people for their beliefs because it likely wasn't even their choice to get to that point in the first place, but like, what the fuck? Where is this coming from?
I'm fucking pissed off. Don't know why its really hitting me now, but I am just so fed up with this anti-science, conspiratorial bullshit. Am I out of line? This is such a trivial fucking task - milliliters of liquid into your arm - that will literally save human lives, and people refuse to do it because the internet said so. Does anyone have any type of hope to bestow upon me? I am down in the dumps about this right now.
Yeah it’s pretty baffling to me too. My brother hasn’t gotten vaccinated yet, and it seems his hesitancy stems from nothing other than fear of these vaccines because they’re mRNA vaccines. He can’t give me any legitimate reason for fearing them, it’s literally just being afraid of something because it’s “new” combined with a general distrust of “big pharma” that has nothing empirical to back up his feelings.
I’m tired of being told to stop living in fear from people who are afraid of a fucking shot.
The anti-vax and vaccine hesitancy is really spinning my brain into a pretzel. I do not understand why this one vaccine is such a big deal compared to all of the other vaccines people have gotten throughout their lifetimes? We've eradicated Polio. We've eradicated Smallpox. Who decided to not trust this one all of a sudden? I generally don't try and blame people for their beliefs because it likely wasn't even their choice to get to that point in the first place, but like, what the fuck? Where is this coming from?
I'm fucking pissed off. Don't know why its really hitting me now, but I am just so fed up with this anti-science, conspiratorial bullshit. Am I out of line? This is such a trivial fucking task - milliliters of liquid into your arm - that will literally save human lives, and people refuse to do it because the internet said so. Does anyone have any type of hope to bestow upon me? I am down in the dumps about this right now.
I read something that said vaccinated people are starting to get empathy exhaustion. Basically they're saying that everybody's who's vaccinated who had empathy for people who were not vaccinated before are now basically at their wits end. It's impossible to change their minds and we're the ones that are still trying to get us out of the pandemic. Doing the right thing, masking, social distancing and trying to convince others to get vaccinated. It's hard to empathize with someone that is against/opposite of what you're trying to do.
What you're experiencing, is what the majority of vaccinated people are currently experiencing. It went further into how this is affecting everybody's mental health including those who are anti-vaccine. I guess it's just as exhausting constantly trying to find a way to hold onto your very incorrect belief?
Idk I've seen some crazy shit said by people who I thought were good people. Hateful nasty hurtful shit to best friends from best friends. It's all cult like behavior to me. I just don't get it.
The anti-vax and vaccine hesitancy is really spinning my brain into a pretzel. I do not understand why this one vaccine is such a big deal compared to all of the other vaccines people have gotten throughout their lifetimes? We've eradicated Polio. We've eradicated Smallpox. Who decided to not trust this one all of a sudden? I generally don't try and blame people for their beliefs because it likely wasn't even their choice to get to that point in the first place, but like, what the fuck? Where is this coming from?
I'm fucking pissed off. Don't know why its really hitting me now, but I am just so fed up with this anti-science, conspiratorial bullshit. Am I out of line? This is such a trivial fucking task - milliliters of liquid into your arm - that will literally save human lives, and people refuse to do it because the internet said so. Does anyone have any type of hope to bestow upon me? I am down in the dumps about this right now.
I read something that said vaccinated people are starting to get empathy exhaustion. Basically they're saying that everybody's who's vaccinated who had empathy for people who were not vaccinated before are now basically at their wits end. It's impossible to change their minds and we're the ones that are still trying to get us out of the pandemic. Doing the right thing, masking, social distancing and trying to convince others to get vaccinated. It's hard to empathize with someone that is against/opposite of what you're trying to do.
What you're experiencing, is what the majority of vaccinated people are currently experiencing. It went further into how this is affecting everybody's mental health including those who are anti-vaccine. I guess it's just as exhausting constantly trying to find a way to hold onto your very incorrect belief?
Idk I've seen some crazy shit said by people who I thought were good people. Hateful nasty hurtful shit to best friends from best friends. It's all cult like behavior to me. I just don't get it.
What you described pretty much sums up exactly how I feel. I'm going to look more into that. Already from a Google search I turned up an article about doctors feeling "compassion fatigue" towards the unvaccinated. I can't imagine how it would feel to be in their shoes.
I feel torn because for the most part I feel like people should have free reign over their own bodies, but I think that line can kind of be drawn where it starts to harm others. The most frustrating part is just how insignificant the cost is for the reward. Like you literally just have to get a shot - mine was completely painless until about 6 hours later when I was a little sore (but less sore than if I have a good workout), and at best you are saving lives and at worst you are giving only yourself a better shot at not catching the disease.
I'm really starting to judge those around me who are unvaccinated, especially if I know they have the background and means to understand the science. They are making a conscious decision to get in the way of public health and risk their own and possibly others' lives just because they have some hunch or because a talking head on the internet told them they would be a sheep. They are making this pandemic carry on when we could've pretty much squashed it. UGH.
Conservative talk radio host Phil Valentine has died following a lengthy battle with COVID-19.
Recently Phil Valentine voiced skepticism about the COVID-19 vaccine. In December of 2020 he tweeted "I have a very low risk of A) Getting COVID and B) dying of it if I do. Why would I risk getting a heart attack or paralysis by getting the vaccine?"
I don't get why antivaxxers think that the impact of Covid would be less than potential side effects of the vaccine. I mean, I get that logic doesn't come into play with the vast majority of these people but still...
Also the logic of "its a chinese made virus but I'm not going to get american made vaccine developed under trump"
I will tell you that my mom has never been more ready for retirement - as there are medical practitioners at her hospital who still don't want to take the vaccine, angry that soon they'll have to cover getting tested twice a week.
My mom is a bit religious so she's extra pissed that they are trying to pull "religious exemptions" and she knows these people haven't prayed to anything. Watching my family fall further left is really interesting.
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Post by jorgeandthekraken on Aug 22, 2021 10:17:29 GMT -5
Since we're painfully short on good news, these days, here's a bit. A new study out of a respected lab in the Netherlands attempted to measure the infectiousness of breakthrough infections not just based on viral RNA load from a a PCR test, but by determining whether said results could be cultured (i.e., whether what's being collected is viable virus, or remnants).
From the look of it (and based on interpretations from several not-Pollyanna scientists I follow on twitter), vaccinated people who experience breakthrough infections with Delta shed less viable virus over less time, making them less infectious than vaccine-naive individuals. What's even more interesting is that the control group of vaccine-naive people is from last year, meaning Delta-fueled breakthrough cases are less infectious than even vaccine-naive cases of previous, less-transmissible variants.
I don't know if this one study will somehow squash the "ZOMG VACCINATED PEOPLE ARE JUST AS INFECTIOUS AS UNVACCINATED PEOPLE" narrative that has emerged, but it made me feel better to read it.
I think a lot of people are very quick to lump the vaccine-hesitant with anti-vaxxers or Fox News redhat types, and I think that's an unhelpful association. Although I'm totally pro-vaccine and got my shot in February, this is the first application of mRNA vaccines in humans (please correct me if I'm wrong in this), and frankly I can pretty easily see why someone would be hesitant to take it. Science can be intimidating, and people need others to walk them through it. Unfortunately, the open forum that is the Internet allows anybody to call themselves a trusted source on anything.
People don't need to actually believe misinformation to be hesitant - just the knowledge that a supposed "other side" exists is enough to give pause. They now have differing opinions to sort through, and both sides claim that listening to the other would be detrimental to one's health. That framing makes it a big decision that people are scared to get wrong. So now people are weighing the potential of catching COVID and dying/having negative health effects against the guarantee that a foreign substance they're unsure about is entering their body. The mental math becomes [maybe I catch COVID, maybe I don't, but if I do I'll probably be alright] vs. [this new technology is being injected into my body, and it'll protect me from COVID, but also it might ???].
Many of us wade through this and come out seeing the risk of COVID to ourselves, others, and society as being greater than the risk of the vaccine, so we get the shot. Easy choice for some. Others get stuck in doing those calculations. We can call it selfish to not get the shot but the vaccine-hesitant view getting the vaccine as a potential risk to their own health. Their reasoning for that view may be misguided, but when you start from that viewpoint, being asked to potentially risk your health for the good of others is a big ask.
Are the hesitant currently stopping us from putting this pandemic behind us? Yes. And that's frustrating when we've all endured and suffered so much, and there are more lives that will be lost. But I think this is a Very Big Decision for some people, and our anger and frustration is better directed towards those with a platform supplying misinformation than those caught in it.
I think a lot of people are very quick to lump the vaccine-hesitant with anti-vaxxers or Fox News redhat types, and I think that's an unhelpful association. Although I'm totally pro-vaccine and got my shot in February, this is the first application of mRNA vaccines in humans (please correct me if I'm wrong in this), and frankly I can pretty easily see why someone would be hesitant to take it. Science can be intimidating, and people need others to walk them through it. Unfortunately, the open forum that is the Internet allows anybody to call themselves a trusted source on anything.
People don't need to actually believe misinformation to be hesitant - just the knowledge that a supposed "other side" exists is enough to give pause. They now have differing opinions to sort through, and both sides claim that listening to the other would be detrimental to one's health. That framing makes it a big decision that people are scared to get wrong. So now people are weighing the potential of catching COVID and dying/having negative health effects against the guarantee that a foreign substance they're unsure about is entering their body. The mental math becomes [maybe I catch COVID, maybe I don't, but if I do I'll probably be alright] vs. [this new technology is being injected into my body, and it'll protect me from COVID, but also it might ???].
Many of us wade through this and come out seeing the risk of COVID to ourselves, others, and society as being greater than the risk of the vaccine, so we get the shot. Easy choice for some. Others get stuck in doing those calculations. We can call it selfish to not get the shot but the vaccine-hesitant view getting the vaccine as a potential risk to their own health. Their reasoning for that view may be misguided, but when you start from that viewpoint, being asked to potentially risk your health for the good of others is a big ask.
Are the hesitant currently stopping us from putting this pandemic behind us? Yes. And that's frustrating when we've all endured and suffered so much, and there are more lives that will be lost. But I think this is a Very Big Decision for some people, and our anger and frustration is better directed towards those with a platform supplying misinformation than those caught in it.
I generally agree with this and would especially agree a few months ago, but at this point if you’re still hesitant after seeing half of america get it with no real dangerous side effects happening to them, you’re a full on anti-vaxxer. And I’m fine being angry at those people, they have the same information as us.
I think a lot of people are very quick to lump the vaccine-hesitant with anti-vaxxers or Fox News redhat types, and I think that's an unhelpful association. Although I'm totally pro-vaccine and got my shot in February, this is the first application of mRNA vaccines in humans (please correct me if I'm wrong in this), and frankly I can pretty easily see why someone would be hesitant to take it. Science can be intimidating, and people need others to walk them through it. Unfortunately, the open forum that is the Internet allows anybody to call themselves a trusted source on anything.
People don't need to actually believe misinformation to be hesitant - just the knowledge that a supposed "other side" exists is enough to give pause. They now have differing opinions to sort through, and both sides claim that listening to the other would be detrimental to one's health. That framing makes it a big decision that people are scared to get wrong. So now people are weighing the potential of catching COVID and dying/having negative health effects against the guarantee that a foreign substance they're unsure about is entering their body. The mental math becomes [maybe I catch COVID, maybe I don't, but if I do I'll probably be alright] vs. [this new technology is being injected into my body, and it'll protect me from COVID, but also it might ???].
Many of us wade through this and come out seeing the risk of COVID to ourselves, others, and society as being greater than the risk of the vaccine, so we get the shot. Easy choice for some. Others get stuck in doing those calculations. We can call it selfish to not get the shot but the vaccine-hesitant view getting the vaccine as a potential risk to their own health. Their reasoning for that view may be misguided, but when you start from that viewpoint, being asked to potentially risk your health for the good of others is a big ask.
Are the hesitant currently stopping us from putting this pandemic behind us? Yes. And that's frustrating when we've all endured and suffered so much, and there are more lives that will be lost. But I think this is a Very Big Decision for some people, and our anger and frustration is better directed towards those with a platform supplying misinformation than those caught in it.
I agree that it is important we recognize that there are different levels of hesitancy but I also think you are giving a lot of people a free pass. How many of these people have questioned other vaccines and treatments in this same way? Also, there is a non mRNA option.
Post by piggy pablo on Aug 22, 2021 11:29:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I was thinking that this AM. Almost any other vaccine people have just accepted that qualified people designed and tested it, whereas in this case they've gone through the trouble to look into it and, in their relative ignorance, decided it sounds scary.
I think a lot of people are very quick to lump the vaccine-hesitant with anti-vaxxers or Fox News redhat types, and I think that's an unhelpful association. Although I'm totally pro-vaccine and got my shot in February, this is the first application of mRNA vaccines in humans (please correct me if I'm wrong in this), and frankly I can pretty easily see why someone would be hesitant to take it. Science can be intimidating, and people need others to walk them through it. Unfortunately, the open forum that is the Internet allows anybody to call themselves a trusted source on anything.
People don't need to actually believe misinformation to be hesitant - just the knowledge that a supposed "other side" exists is enough to give pause. They now have differing opinions to sort through, and both sides claim that listening to the other would be detrimental to one's health. That framing makes it a big decision that people are scared to get wrong. So now people are weighing the potential of catching COVID and dying/having negative health effects against the guarantee that a foreign substance they're unsure about is entering their body. The mental math becomes [maybe I catch COVID, maybe I don't, but if I do I'll probably be alright] vs. [this new technology is being injected into my body, and it'll protect me from COVID, but also it might ???].
Many of us wade through this and come out seeing the risk of COVID to ourselves, others, and society as being greater than the risk of the vaccine, so we get the shot. Easy choice for some. Others get stuck in doing those calculations. We can call it selfish to not get the shot but the vaccine-hesitant view getting the vaccine as a potential risk to their own health. Their reasoning for that view may be misguided, but when you start from that viewpoint, being asked to potentially risk your health for the good of others is a big ask.
Are the hesitant currently stopping us from putting this pandemic behind us? Yes. And that's frustrating when we've all endured and suffered so much, and there are more lives that will be lost. But I think this is a Very Big Decision for some people, and our anger and frustration is better directed towards those with a platform supplying misinformation than those caught in it.
I agree that it is important we recognize that there are different levels of hesitancy but I also think you are giving a lot of people a free pass. How many of these people have questioned other vaccines and treatments in this same way? Also, there is a non mRNA option.
Point conceded wrt non-mRNA vacs, though I think we can sub out fear regarding mRNA and replace with fear for a new "rushed" vaccine. Not sure what you mean by free pass though. I mentioned that I think they're responsible for keeping us in this pandemic. Outside of that I intentionally try to be non-judgmental at meet people where they are even if I disagree with or outright loathe their beliefs. I have no interest in whether or not someone is being a hypocrite with this vaccine as opposed to others. I'd much rather focus my attention to the situation that's actually at hand and use it to sway people in my personal conversations with people, because that's where I'm most effective. Anger and frustration clouds my ability to do that. If that's a "free pass" to you, then I'm okay with that.
And to be clear - I'm also not judging anyone else for being angry and frustrated. They're also incredibly appropriate responses to what we're dealing with.
So I’m in line at Walmart. I’m only here because they have the cheapest price on rapid Covid tests. I hate this place. No one is wearing a mask but me. I have several COVID tests in my hands and I’m coughing on purpose. It’s hilarious the looks I’m getting.
So I’m in line at Walmart. I’m only here because they have the cheapest price on rapid Covid tests. I hate this place. No one is wearing a mask but me. I have several COVID tests in my hands and I’m coughing on purpose. It’s hilarious the looks I’m getting.
Am I a terrible person?
I think you should take off your mask just to cough, then put it back on.
So I’m in line at Walmart. I’m only here because they have the cheapest price on rapid Covid tests. I hate this place. No one is wearing a mask but me. I have several COVID tests in my hands and I’m coughing on purpose. It’s hilarious the looks I’m getting.
Am I a terrible person?
I think you should take off your mask just to cough, then put it back on.
Post by Dave Maynar on Aug 23, 2021 14:43:49 GMT -5
I wanted to get excited about approval, but the theorists are just on to their next excuse, i.e. the FDA is crooked and can't be trusted.
In good news, five music venues in Knoxville that together cover almost all the non arena shows announced effective today that they're requiring proof of vax or a negative test for entry.