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You have been given the opportunity to curate the lineup for Coachella in competition with nineteen (19) others. The top thirty-five (35) artists on each lineup will be locked into non-compete clauses preventing them from being on any of other festival lineups. At the end of thirty-five rounds, you are able to add up to seventy-five (75) undrafted free agents (UDFAs) to your lineup. These might overlap with other lineups but cannot include any drafted acts.
Tournament
1) Preliminary Round: A single poll will be run for all 20 players. Top 12 will advance to the "grouped knock-out" rounds. Bottom 8 will proceed to play-offs.
2) Play-off Round: Single-elimination tournament to determine the remaining 4 players that will advance to the next round. Seeds will be determined by the number of votes each player got in the preliminary round.
3) Grouped Knock-out Rounds:
- All 16 players who advance to this round will be grouped into 4 levels based on the number of votes obtained in the preliminary round. Players that are ranked 1-4 in preliminaries will be in Level S (as in Supreme), those ranked between 5-8 will be in Level R (as in Runner-up), and those ranked between 9-12 will be in Level T (as in 'Thirth'). Remaining 4 spots will be the winners of the play-off round, who will be named as Level U (as in Underdog).
- Four groups (named as Group A, B, C and D) will be created randomly. Each group will have one S, one R, one T, and one U level player. Randomization is used to determine which S player, for example, will be in which group. There won't be two S (or R or T or U) level players in the same group.
- Each group will have their own single-elimination tournament. Match-ups: S level vs. U level & R level vs. T level. Winner of the match-ups will play against each other two determine the winner of the group.
4) Final Four: Semi-final - Winner of Group A vs. winner of Group D & winner of Group B vs. winner of Group C. Winner of the match-ups will advance to the final, where the champion will be decided via poll (this is to add an element of surprise).
Additional notes: - Voting will be public with the exception of preliminary round and the final round. - Each round will be 72 hours long. - Randomization will be used for determining the seed if two (or more) players get the same vote after the preliminary round or for determining the winner of a tie in any of the match-ups.
Rules
1) Only acts that have performed at Coachella before can be drafted. The master list of draftable acts is provided below (in the second post of this thread), but it will not be updated (so it is your responsibility to check drafted acts). You do not have to use this list, but if you pick an act that is not included in it (we will be checking this continuously), you have to provide proof -other than Wikipedia- showing that the drafted act actually performed at Coachella (this is in regards to secret acts that may have performed). The master list includes all acts (1999-2019) played in Main Stage, Outdoor Theatre, Mojave Tent, Gobi Tent, Sahara Tent, Yuma Tent, Sonora Tent, The Do LaB (to the best of our ability; earlier lineups might not be complete as the information is scarce), Heineken House, Insomniac Tent (2001), Oasis Dome (2006 & 2011), The Dome (2007 & 2009), Heineken Dome (2010, 2012-13), Camping Sessions (2010), and HP Lounge (2019). You can pick acts from the master list in rounds one (1) through thirty-five (35).
2) Bonus list is comprised of acts that (1) were booked for a previous edition but dropped before the festival took place and not booked again, (2) were booked for a previous edition but cancelled their appearance (due to various reasons) and not booked again, and (3) were on original 2020 lineup and not played in any of the previous editions. You can pick acts from the bonus list ONLY in rounds thirty-one (31) through thirty-five (35). Undrafted acts in the bonus list will be eligible to be picked as UDFAs.
3) If an artist showed up in more than one Coachella lineup under the same name, they are not eligible to be picked more than once (i.e. Radiohead showed up in three Coachella lineups, but they are eligible to be drafted only once). If an artist has played under different monikers (i.e. Caribou/Daphni, Plastikman/Richie Hawtin, etc.), they are both eligible to be drafted. If a producer played solo on one occasion (DJ XYZ) and played with producer(s) on other occasions (listed as DJ XYZ [“b2b” ”feat.” ”/” ”&” ”+” “w/”] DJ QWE), they are eligible to be drafted. If a producer played a DJ and a live set under the same name but in separate lineups/occasions, you can only pick them once (no need to specify when picking). If an artist (other than a producer) performs both solo and with a set band, when one is drafted, all iterations are off the table (for example if Neil Young is drafted then Neil Young & Crazy Horse is off the table). The master & bonus lists are prepared such that they reflect all of the occasions above. If you think there is a mistake in these lists, feel free to send me and Bing a DM so that we can discuss.
4) Once an artist is drafted, they are not available for any other drafter.
5) No superjams are allowed.
6) Disputes are handled via a poll. Polls will be run for twelve hours and they cannot be started before 9 AM and after 9 PM Eastern. Drafting will continue while the poll is running.
7) Once we have twenty (20) participants, draft order will be randomly generated for the first round and will continue as a snake draft until round thirty (30). After round thirty (30), draft order will be randomized one more time (new ordering will be provided in advance). Rounds thirty-one (31) through thirty-five (35) will continue as a snake draft using the new draft order.
8) Each participant will have twelve (12) hours to make their pick in the first ten (10) rounds. Selections in rounds eleven (11) through twenty (20) will be eight (8) hours long and in rounds twenty-one (21) through thirty-five (35) will be six (6) hours long. If a pick is missed, the draft will continue as if a pick was made and the participant can select from any remaining acts at the time they make their pick. If a player is still on the clock from a previous turn because their time expired without making a selection, then when their next turn comes around the twelve/eight/six hour wait for their turn is waived. A maximum of two picks are allowed to be "made up" if missed. If a drafter has missed two (or more) picks then when their next turn is up they may only make two selections. Any other outstanding picks are lost.
9) When you post your selection, identify who the pick is, and tag the next person to keep things moving.
10) Trades are allowed and all participants must verify the terms of the trade. Trades are subject to dispute and disputes will be handled by polls.
11) If you think a drafted act is not eligible, you can call for a poll. You have twenty-four (24) hours after that pick is made.
12) Up to seventy-five (75) UDFAs are allowed in the seventy-two (72) hours after the last draft selection. UDFAs can be picked from both lists. There will be an additional twenty-four (24) hour period to review/dispute free agents that may not be eligible after all of the UDFAs have been revealed. Any UDFAs that were deemed ineligible may only be replaced with acts that were neither drafted nor previously selected as undrafted free agents.
13) Any rule changes prior to start will be decided by me and Bing . Any rule changes after the start will require fifteen (15) participant votes in favor prior to adoption. A rule change cannot be instituted to change the process of changing rules or disputes (i.e. no vote to assign a "referee").
Radiohead - Childish Gambino - Sia Bauhaus - Gil Scott-Heron - Mos Def - Christine & The Queens Pharell Williams - Glass Animals - Jean-Michel Jarre - Buzzcocks Sparklehorse - Purity Ring - Cut Copy - The Black Angels Ladytron - Art Of Noise - Melody's Echo Chamber - John Maus Talib Kweli - Rhye - Nosaj Thing - Kurt Vile & The Violators Super Furry Animals - Saul Williams - Classixx - Wire Foxygen - Japandroids - Immortal Technique - Gary Numan SiR
Tame Impala Beck - The Raconteurs - King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard CHVRCHES - Manu Chao Radio Bemba Sound System Above & Beyond - Jimmy Cliff & Tim Armstrong - Jenny Lewis Conor Oberst & The Mystic Valley Band - Suede - Princess Nokia Frightened Rabbit - testpilot
Rage Against The Machine Yeah Yeah Yeahs - alt-J - Rex Orange County - Underworld The Breeders - Ride - Devo - BROCKHAMPTON OMD - Shame - James
The Cure Robyn - Sturgill Simpson - The Replacements - The Dead Weather The Good, The Bad & The Queen - The Crystal Method Rae Sremmurd - King Princess - Soccer Mommy
Foo Fighters Aphex Twin - Kid Cudi - Hans Zimmer - Bloc Party The Black Madonna - Hot Chip - Destroyer - Tennis Chris Lake Miike Snow - Excision - The Lemon Twigs - Daphni DaBaby - Joji
Depeche Mode Anderson .Paak & The Free Nationals - Claude VonStroke - Les Claypool The Shins - Simian Mobile Disco - Spoon - Parcels
Lorde deadmau5 - My Morning Jacket - Julian Casablancas - Mac DeMarco Flatbush Zombies - Chromeo - Atmosphere - Breakbot
Kanye West Grace Jones - ASAP Rocky - Orbital - The Rapture Duffy - BICEP - Deerhunter - Of Montreal Woodkid - Wu Lyf - Owen Pallett - The Streets Nilüfer Yanya
Drake Atoms For Peace - Charli XCX - Tiësto - Nicolas Jaar Grizzly Bear - Antony & The Johnsons - The Whitest Boy Alive Lush - Devine Fits - SOPHIE
Iggy & The Stooges Chris Stapleton - Fleet Foxes - Public Enemy - Playboi Carti The Last Shadow Puppets - Dead Can Dance - Swans - Stromae
Rosalía - Tyler, the Creator The Stone Roses - J Balvin - The Postal Service - Groove Armada 2manyDJs - Tove Lo - Mavis Staples - Cornelius Kimbra - Danny Elfman - Megan Thee Stallion - Summer Walker Anitta
Lady Gaga Vampire Weekend - Chance the Rapper - Autechre - M.I.A. Mon Laferte - The Walkmen - Seu Jorge - Metronomy Roni Size Reprazent - The Belleville Three
Red Hot Chili Peppers Cardi B - Them Crooked Vultures - Miguel - Black Eyed Peas Throbbing Gristle - Eric Prydz - Scissor Sisters - Perfume Amelie Lens
Beyoncé Mac Miller - New Order - Maggie Rogers - Cat Power Thundercat - Neon Indian - Snail Mail We Were Promised Jetpacks - The Marias - Young Fathers 100 gecs - IDLES - Fontaines D.C.
Björk Flying Lotus - Weezer - Black Star - Sylvan Esso Metric - Big Thief - Superorganism - Men I Trust
Sigur Rós Alabama Shakes - Beach House - Gang of Four - Madness Two Door Cinema Club - BADBADNOTGOOD - Bat For Lashes Alvvays
Beastie Boys Bassnectar - Rüfüs Du Sol - The Roots - Passion Pit Four Tet / Daphni / Floating Points - Yaeji Charlotte Gainsbourg - The Damned - Two Fingers Kim Petras - Channel Tres - Just Blaz
Lizzo Phoenix - Damian Marley - St. Vincent - Jamie xx Gnarls Barkley - The Hives - Jon Hopkins - The Pharcycle
Gorillaz Ellie Goulding - Migos - Pretty Lights - Danny Brown Of Monsters and Men - DJ Shadow - Company Flow Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Little Dragon
Lou Reed Sonic Youth - Lil Uzi Vert - Gary Clark Jr - Gang Starr The Internet - Plastikman - The Dresden Dolls - Oh Sees Mount Kimbie - Future Sound Of London - Crumb
SZA The Mars Volta - DARKSIDE - Grinderman - Jorja Smith YG - Spiritualized - Cirez D - Waxahatchee El P / Aesop Rock / RJD2 / Murs / Mr Lif - Trentemøller
Coldplay Ice Cube - Modest Mouse - The Kills - Nile Rodgers & CHIC Nas & Damian Marley - Roky Erickson & The Explosives Maya Jane Cole - Talaboman - Priests
Paul McCartney Travis Scott - The xx - H.E.R - Moby Echo & the Bunnymen - Yo La Tengo - Duke Dumont - Ty Segall Warren G - Jagwar Ma - Washed Out - Gotye Shamir - Pabllo Vittar - Tory Lanez
Jay Z N.E.R.D. w/ spymob - Kraftwerk - Violent Femmes - Ella Mai Broken Bells - La Roux - Dirty Projectors - The Swell Season Nightmares On Wax
Jack White The Black Keys - David Guetta - Phantogram - BLACKPINK MGMT - Banks - John Digweed - Sasha Le Tigre - Ibeyi
Portishead The Verve - TV On The Radio - Fever Ray Charles Bradley and His Extraordinaires - The Orb - Against Me! Broken Social Scene - Digitalism - Comedians of Comedy - TNGHT Sasha & Digweed - Titus Andronicus - Lee "Scratch" Perry Benny Benassi - Joris Voorn - First Aid Kit - Refused The Dismemberment Plan - The Comet Is Coming - Orville Peck Cut Chemist
Massive Attack George Clinton and Parliament Funkadelic - Primal Scream - Soulwax Kölsch
Siouxsie and the Banshees Motörhead - Ms Lauryn Hill - Squarepusher - Thievery Corporation
Daft Punk Jamiroquai - HAIM - Empire Of The Sun - Nick Murphy SBTRKT - Tycho - Sleigh Bells - Joey Bada$$ Floating Points - Dungen - Motor City Drum Ensemble S U R V I V E - Roddy Ricch - Cherry Glazerr
Muse Pavement - The Jesus And Mary Chain - Air - Nas Faithless - Lupe Fiasco - U.N.K.L.E. - Zero 7 One Day As A Lion - Imogen Heap - Gossip - Sleaford Mods
Blur Mazzy Star - Interpol - How To Destroy Angels - Santigold Basement Jaxx - Moderat - Leftfield - De La Soul Common - Ghostface Killah
Prince Duran Duran - Interpol - Major Lazer - Mark Ronson Jónsi - St. Germain - Mogwai - Kool Keith Lightning Bolt - Rodriguez
Oasis Kaskade - Death Cab For Cutie - Neutral Milk Hotel - Franz Ferdinand Belle & Sebastian - The Avalanches - Lily Allen - Deafheaven Clap Your Hands Say Yeah - Lane 8 - Bad Religion - Built To Spill
Kendrick Lamar Justice - At The Drive In - Ratatat - A Perfect Circle Jurassic 5 - Mura Masa - Bob Moses - Little Simz Doja Cat
Guns N Roses Odesza - Pixies - Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Foals Digable Planets - Car Seat Headrest - Johnny Marr - (Sandy) Alex G Hinds
Silver Surfer gets The Strokes, Fred gets The Postal Service and his picks in rounds 20, 26, and 31.
Jaz gets Dr. Dre & Snoop Dogg and Leonard Cohen, Jake Jortles gets Beastie Boys, St. Vincent, The Roots and his pick 477.
trantsgiving gets Mitski while @radiatebased gets Foals.
trantsgiving gets pick 603 while tЯist♡n gets picks 605, 614, and Of Montreal.
trantsgiving gets sang_xcx 's round 31 pick in exchange of his picks in rounds 29 and 30.
tЯist♡n gets Charli XCX while cdevaney gets The Raconteurs and his second round 31 pick.
Repicks
- sang_xcx Bonobo, Local Natives - Monie The Black Madonna, The War On Drugs, Mogwai, Princess Nokia - Bing serpentwithfeet - Jeremy Fragrance DJ Premier, A$AP Ferg
Last Edit: May 4, 2020 13:49:01 GMT -5 by Fred - Back to Top
Post by Nathan Fieldcяab on Apr 2, 2020 21:51:19 GMT -5
I think voting by DMing one of the draft managers would make the most sense to avoid the public ballot problem while also allowing for voting in more than one matchup at once.
I also think I'm tracking with the rules here... it looks very similar to the Bonnaroo draft except instead of pulling from all touring acts from 2015/6 to now, it's just an act that's played Coachella at some point during its history (regardless of year)? I'm glad the real Coachella doesn't apply that rule, but for our purposes it should be fun!
Nbd since it's the first draft of the rules, but I don't think the link to all potentially draftable acts was included? That would be helpful for prep work if it's something you already have handy
40 rounds + 80 free agents seems way too long for what seems like a smallish pool of artists imo
Google says 160 acts played Coachella last year (though I assume that's including smaller stuff not on the main poster as well). I almost certainly wouldn't use all 80 UDFAs for what that's worth
1) Only acts that have performed at Coachella before can be drafted. List of draftable acts is available in this link and also alphabetized below (OP will be updated after each round). This list does not include names that performed in DoLab, Heineken, or any other sponsor tents as they are not part of the official lineup poster. If an artist showed up in more than one Coachella lineup under the same name, they are not eligible to be picked more than once (i.e. Radiohead showed up in three Coachella lineups, but they are eligible to be drafted only once). If an artist has played under different monikers (i.e. Caribou/Daphni, Plastikman/Richie Hawtin, etc.), they are both eligible to be drafted. If a producer played a DJ and a live set under the same name but in separate lineups/occasions, you can only pick them once (no need to specify when picking).
sorry, are you saying you're going to post a big list of acts we can draft? if so, that's a bad idea. a big part of the draft is research.
Post by Nathan Fieldcяab on Apr 2, 2020 21:55:33 GMT -5
I got the impression it was any act (dead, inactive, alive, etc.), and given the potential narrowness of the drafting pool I think it should be any act
I got the impression it was any act (dead, inactive, alive, etc.), and given the potential narrowness of the drafting pool I think it should be any act
I also think we should allow multiple acts to be drafted fwiw
1) Only acts that have performed at Coachella before can be drafted. List of draftable acts is available in this link and also alphabetized below (OP will be updated after each round). This list does not include names that performed in DoLab, Heineken, or any other sponsor tents as they are not part of the official lineup poster. If an artist showed up in more than one Coachella lineup under the same name, they are not eligible to be picked more than once (i.e. Radiohead showed up in three Coachella lineups, but they are eligible to be drafted only once). If an artist has played under different monikers (i.e. Caribou/Daphni, Plastikman/Richie Hawtin, etc.), they are both eligible to be drafted. If a producer played a DJ and a live set under the same name but in separate lineups/occasions, you can only pick them once (no need to specify when picking).
sorry, are you saying you're going to post a big list of acts we can draft? if so, that's a bad idea. a big part of the draft is research.
I get where you're coming from in principle, but given this context we're all just gonna be making the same list of acts to scout anyway since they're all pulled from the exact same source. It'd save me some time to just have the list
An idea that I had mentioned in conversation off-thread:
Make artists available as many times as they've played the festival. For example, if Radiohead has played three times then they are eligible to appear in three lineups. Is an act less great if they're not as rare? It also provides more literal headliner candidates.
Post by Jeremy Fragrance on Apr 2, 2020 21:59:46 GMT -5
What I find cool about this is that since no one was expecting it (except for our 2 moderators) we all have equal time to prepare. It’ll be cool to see if that changes the result at all
sorry, are you saying you're going to post a big list of acts we can draft? if so, that's a bad idea. a big part of the draft is research.
I get where you're coming from in principle, but given this context we're all just gonna be making the same list of acts to scout anyway since they're all pulled from the exact same source. It'd save me some time to just have the list
I disagree, I think attention to detail (i.e. making acts that were smaller 10 years ago headliners, undercard gems) is part of the game. It's part of what makes doing a new game fun because we're not going based on previous draft OPs.
What I find cool about this is that since no one was expecting it (except for our 2 moderators) we all have equal time to prepare. It’ll be cool to see if that changes the result at all
if you aren't preparing for drafts months before they start, you're weak
I mean, not really. But also, kind of? Rare acts are generally more exciting than ones that play a ton of fests
Not saying I necessarily disagree with your ideas of allowing three people to have Radiohead (although if you had to pick which specific year's set you were drafting, I don't really want to do that)
What I find cool about this is that since no one was expecting it (except for our 2 moderators) we all have equal time to prepare. It’ll be cool to see if that changes the result at all
I get where you're coming from in principle, but given this context we're all just gonna be making the same list of acts to scout anyway since they're all pulled from the exact same source. It'd save me some time to just have the list
I disagree, I think attention to detail (i.e. making acts that were smaller 10 years ago headliners, undercard gems) is part of the game. It's part of what makes doing a new game fun because we're not going based on previous draft OPs.
Right, but we're going off of previous Coachella lineups which is, if anything, more prescriptive since the list of possible acts to draft is finite. Not knowing how much each act is valued is fun for sure, but publishing an alphabetical list doesn't change that aspect at all. Plus, there's no way to think of any truly unique undercard gems because we have easy access to all possible undercard acts. You can't pick any left-field act no one's thought of by the rules of the game
I mean, not really. But also, kind of? Rare acts are generally more exciting than ones that play a ton of fests
Not saying I necessarily disagree with your ideas of allowing three people to have Radiohead (although if you had to pick which specific year's set you were drafting, I don't really want to do that)
I mean, just the idea of a draft where maybe Radiohead isn't the obvious first pick makes it worth it.
I disagree, I think attention to detail (i.e. making acts that were smaller 10 years ago headliners, undercard gems) is part of the game. It's part of what makes doing a new game fun because we're not going based on previous draft OPs.
Right, but we're going off of previous Coachella lineups which is, if anything, more prescriptive since the list of possible acts to draft is finite. Not knowing how much each act is valued is fun for sure, but publishing an alphabetical list doesn't change that aspect at all. Plus, there's no way to think of any truly unique undercard gems because we have easy access to all possible undercard acts. You can't pick any left-field act no one's thought of by the rules of the game
you can't think of one but digging through these undercards isn't easy work and part of the fun. hard research work should be rewarded.
An idea that I had mentioned in conversation off-thread:
Make artists available as many times as they've played the festival. For example, if Radiohead has played three times then they are eligible to appear in three lineups. Is an act less great if they're not as rare? It also provides more literal headliner candidates.
i think this makes the most sense as well.
if we're changing it up and doing something new, may as well really go for it.
I mean, not really. But also, kind of? Rare acts are generally more exciting than ones that play a ton of fests
Not saying I necessarily disagree with your ideas of allowing three people to have Radiohead (although if you had to pick which specific year's set you were drafting, I don't really want to do that)
I mean, just the idea of a draft where maybe Radiohead isn't the obvious first pick makes it worth it.
I don't think Radiohead is the obvious first pick here
I think voting by DMing one of the draft managers would make the most sense to avoid the public ballot problem while also allowing for voting in more than one matchup at once.
I also think I'm tracking with the rules here... it looks very similar to the Bonnaroo draft except instead of pulling from all touring acts from 2015/6 to now, it's just an act that's played Coachella at some point during its history (regardless of year)? I'm glad the real Coachella doesn't apply that rule, but for our purposes it should be fun!
Nbd since it's the first draft of the rules, but I don't think the link to all potentially draftable acts was included? That would be helpful for prep work if it's something you already have handy
Re: your first point; this was one of the options I considered.
2. Yeah, it is kind of semi-infinity, everyone from 1999 Coachella can play for example, but acts that were only active in 70s are not eligible.
3. We will link to or list all potentially draftable acts.
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