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Post by Nathan Fieldcяab on Apr 2, 2020 23:44:01 GMT -5
I'm up to 2006 in my Excel document. I'll probably do the rest of this hard work and intense research tomorrow night while watching a movie
If we do end up doing the thing where acts can be drafted more than once, is there anything stopping me from drafting the same act more than once? Like, if I somehow was able to draft Radiohead twice could they headline multiple nights?
I'm up to 2006 in my Excel document. I'll probably do the rest of this hard work and intense research tomorrow night while watching a movie
If we do end up doing the thing where acts can be drafted more than once, is there anything stopping me from drafting the same act more than once? Like, if I somehow was able to draft Radiohead twice could they headline multiple nights?
that’s the type of wacky shit that I think could make it super interesting. more flexibility = more unique strats.
What I find cool about this is that since no one was expecting it (except for our 2 moderators) we all have equal time to prepare. It’ll be cool to see if that changes the result at all
I honestly hadn't started with compiling a list for either of the drafts tbh, been very busy with writing about music and school stuff.
We should allow acts to be drafted for each year they played, with drafters specifying the year.
I like cdev's solution of having twenty teams, grouping them into fives, and eliminating one from each group. Or the first round is just one poll and the bottom four get chopped. Really sucks for the people who get eliminated right away, but that's basically where we're at with more than 16 teams.
original questions where we felt we needed feedback; 1) How do we handle the tournament when it's 18/20 people? - Random.org. The highest seeds get first round byes. (Cdev, Pablo) - also, just set up a poll and allow multiple options for voting, put the competing acts next to each other on the poll, ex; (King T) - Randomized qualifying groups that advance a certain number to elimination play seems logical... (Nathan Fielder) - Sorry if it's already been suggested but we could have one round of voting for all twenty lineups and then the top sixteen move onto the tournament. (Jaz)
2) How about if there is a tie in the tournament phase? - Run off poll. Results hidden. (Cdev)
3) Voting during tournament? - poll? (Cdev) - public voting, Voting always is a little boring imo and hearing people's reasoning about why they picked one line up over another will generates conversation. Also gives us an idea of what people value and don't, which I think is always fun to see. (JTR) - For public voting (Silver Surfer, Tristan, Pablo, Jortles, Cap)
questions that came along the way; 1) Artists can be picked multiple times - yes (King T, Cdev, Pepe, Monie, Silver Surfer, Jaz, Pablo, Jortles, Cap) - no (Tristan, sang)
2) Allow a public list for eligible acts - yes (Cdev, Silver Surfer, Jortles, Cap) - no (King T, Nathan Fielder, Monie, Todd, JTR, Pepe) - indifferent (Jaz)
3) Allow the Coachella 2020 line up, even though it hasn't happend yet? - yes (King T, Todd, Pepe) - no (Cdev) - indifferent (Monie)
Just started with a possible board, this is hard as fuck.
In regards to 'not having enough headliners', there will be more than enough 'headlinerworthy' acts in the undercard that would be a headliner now I feel like. Do you guys want us to say how many times an act is still available every time or how do you guys see that? In regards to not having enough acts in general, I think that should be fine with 150-ish acts across 20 editions but we will double check ofcourse.
I don't think DoLab/Heineken House or any side stuff stuff going on should be included, right?
I'm a no on acts being picked multiple times. Don't care about any of the othdr issues. This will probably be my favorite draft. No eligibility issues. Either they played or they didn't. If I draft them you can't have them. Simple.
Post by Jake Jortles on Apr 3, 2020 7:29:04 GMT -5
Here are my thoughts:
1. Public voting is a great idea. When Ive ran a couple brackets in the past, I’ve enjoyed awarding someone with two votes instead of one if they just explain their reason for voting the way they did. Wouldn’t expect anyone else to get on board with that. Anyways, public voting will solve a lot of issues I imagine to exist in the normal drafts.
2. I am for an artist being available as many times as they’ve been to Coachella. Agree with someone who said lets go all the way in making this one different.
3. I am 1000% for the master list being public, and I’m shocked that anyone doesn’t want that. There is no wiggle room in this draft where 2 hours of extra research can result in a great pick nobody thought of. Everyone will waste an identical amount of time creating an identical list. I was floored (in a positive way) to hear that Fred / Bing were willing to put in that legwork for everyone. Again this is busy work for everyone and not an exercise of creativity. If someone really had time on their hands, Id be down for a master list in the other drafts. Because while Bing had a rare experience of being applauded for AAL, most of the time it goes closer to when I found out Atomic Bomb was eligible: which is to say the reaction was “hey we collectively didn’t see them on the master list so now we are annoyed with you and we are not going to count it.” I love Silver Surfer example of fantasy football. That analogy is perfect.
Just started with a possible board, this is hard as fuck.
In regards to 'not having enough headliners', there will be more than enough 'headlinerworthy' acts in the undercard that would be a headliner now I feel like. Do you guys want us to say how many times an act is still available every time or how do you guys see that? In regards to not having enough acts in general, I think that should be fine with 150-ish acts across 20 editions but we will double check ofcourse.
I don't think DoLab/Heineken House or any side stuff stuff going on should be included, right?
Yea, I think allowing acts to be chosen based on how many times they've played could be a nice little change, but the more I think about it I'm not sure how we'd keep track... If an undercard act has played like 6 times, would we just have to know that up front and then count down how many picks that artist has left? That sounds complicated. Maybe just keep it to once per act.
And I say yes to DoLab, Heineken House, etc. They may not list it on the lineup, but it's always on the schedule and it takes place inside the festival. So I think it's fair game.
Just to let everyone know before we start. I'm still working. I know most of you are not. So I'll probably be slowing down the flow. Anyone else still working?
Just to let everyone know before we start. I'm still working. I know most of you are not. So I'll probably be slowing down the flow. Anyone else still working?
1. Public voting is a great idea. When Ive ran a couple brackets in the past, I’ve enjoyed awarding someone with two votes instead of one if they just explain their reason for voting the way they did. Wouldn’t expect anyone else to get on board with that. Anyways, public voting will solve a lot of issues I imagine to exist in the normal drafts.
2. I am for an artist being available as many times as they’ve been to Coachella. Agree with someone who said lets go all the way in making this one different.
3. I am 1000% for the master list being public, and I’m shocked that anyone doesn’t want that. There is no wiggle room in this draft where 2 hours of extra research can result in a great pick nobody thought of. Everyone will waste an identical amount of time creating an identical list. I was floored (in a positive way) to hear that Fred / Bing were willing to put in that legwork for everyone. Again this is busy work for everyone and not an exercise of creativity. If someone really had time on their hands, Id be down for a master list in the other drafts. Because while Bing had a rare experience of being applauded for AAL, most of the time it goes closer to when I found out Atomic Bomb was eligible: which is to say the reaction was “hey we collectively didn’t see them on the master list so now we are annoyed with you and we are not going to count it.” I love Silver Surfer example of fantasy football. That analogy is perfect.
Pretty much where I stand. A bit more indifferent on point 1, but with you on 2 & 3. Particularly 2.
Random Q for the collective: are we billing these festivals as they were billed that year, or as we think they would be billed in 2020? There are a lot of acts that are billed higher or lower than they would be today.
In a fantasy football draft you are literally given a list with Power rankings to draft from. No one has ever argued that it makes it too easy or benefits lazy people
These two things aren't really comparable. The difference is in Fantasy Football you play a season and its depending on how the players do in the future season irl. There is no future irl for us in a fantasy festival draft.
BTW this was not an analogy busting counter imo. The future thing has nothing to do with whether or not you have a list when drafting.
Your side should be arguing that fantasy football drafts would be more fun if you have nothing to go off of in the draft.
These two things aren't really comparable. The difference is in Fantasy Football you play a season and its depending on how the players do in the future season irl. There is no future irl for us in a fantasy festival draft.
BTW this was not an analogy busting counter imo. The future thing has nothing to do with whether or not you have a list when drafting.
Your side should be arguing that fantasy football drafts would be more fun if you have nothing to go off of in the draft.
Me and trantsgiving did do a live ff draft with no list before and our friend drafted Calvin Johnson in the first round.
BTW this was not an analogy busting counter imo. The future thing has nothing to do with whether or not you have a list when drafting.
Your side should be arguing that fantasy football drafts would be more fun if you have nothing to go off of in the draft.
Me and trantsgiving did do a live ff draft with no list before and our friend drafted Calvin Johnson in the first round.
It was the year right after he retired lmao
As I understand it, this is kinda how it did go in the 90s for fantasy sports drafts before computers were a real thing. Its just funny because I imagine when the first masterlist was made, there were some people that argued that list was going to ruin fantasy football and reward lazy people.
Random Q for the collective: are we billing these festivals as they were billed that year, or as we think they would be billed in 2020? There are a lot of acts that are billed higher or lower than they would be today.
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