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LD did claim Doctor. Why do you guys keep saying he didn't? He claimed it. Theo called him for it being convenient timing. And he said he deserved that.
That is him claiming doctor then owning his bad timing.
I agree. I've felt like he was really claiming it since he said it. He probably said it so lackadaisically because he knew he would look like he was just trying to save his ass
I'm leaning towards believing NBF, she sounded genuine in many of her posts and Jaz not being saved makes me think LD was doctor. Danbobs affiliation with Kanye makes me most suspicious of him.
Post by Jake Jortles on Apr 20, 2020 9:38:26 GMT -5
Yeah and btw... he could have been lying. But he claimed it. And it makes it to where we basically need to believe that someone who was actually doctor didn't realize this and didn't save Jaz which is weird as fuck.. or that LD was actually Doctor.
Post by Jake Jortles on Apr 20, 2020 9:40:53 GMT -5
Wait wait wait... have we considered that Jaz may have faked, attempted to whack himself, but expected to get saved by doctor, which would make his claim look bulletproof while he stays alive? Originally he may have thought that would look beautiful. Then LD came out as doctor, got killed and it fucked up him staying alive.
Yeah and btw... he could have been lying. But he claimed it. And it makes it to where we basically need to believe that someone who was actually doctor didn't realize this and didn't save Jaz which is weird as fuck.. or that LD was actually Doctor.
Wait wait wait... have we considered that Jaz may have faked, attempted to whack himself, but expected to get saved by doctor, which would make his claim look bulletproof while he stays alive? Originally he may have thought that would look beautiful. Then LD came out as doctor, got killed and it fucked up him staying alive.
Post by Jeremy Fragrance on Apr 20, 2020 9:44:11 GMT -5
So many stupid scenarios are popping into my head that it's not worth thinking about. However, I can't shake the feeling that there's something up with Rooloo. He's been quick to follow others, and not take as much of a leading role, which is fine as a 1st time player, but the moves also seem very calculated. He made the call on D1 for an inspector to reveal to counter Jaz, which NBF did. He was the first to lock a vote on D2 on Kanye, completely shifting the balance of the voting and the conversation up until that point.
So many stupid scenarios are popping into my head that it's not worth thinking about. However, I can't shake the feeling that there's something up with Rooloo. He's been quick to follow others, and not take as much of a leading role, which is fine as a 1st time player, but the moves also seem very calculated. He made the call on D1 for an inspector to reveal to counter Jaz, which NBF did. He was the first to lock a vote on D2 on Kanye, completely shifting the balance of the voting and the conversation up until that point.
So one of these two is Mafia, either Jaz or LD but almost certainly not both (this has been explicated clearly already, and I'm on board with pretty much tossing the idea that they could've been teammates).
If two of our mafia are LD/NBF, I think it is fair to reckon that their third teammate was on LD at this juncture--rather than all 3 of them being on Jaz. Rooloo, Danbob, and Jortles were on LD here.
If two of our mafia are Silver/Jaz, then that means we know Silver was on his teammate here and more likely than not the other teammate was on LD...which again takes us to Rooloo, Danbob, and Jortles. However, if we are to take this scenario then it involves NBF as our Real Inspector which then clears Rooloo & Jortles.
Silver's late-round vote switch onto Jaz is something to mention, though, too. If Silver was mafia, this late switch is confusing in multiple ways, but it could then suggest that it was a disruption of original vote split as intended--which means maybe there already was a mafioso on Jaz, leaving either me or Theo in that scenario.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Wait wait wait... have we considered that Jaz may have faked, attempted to whack himself, but expected to get saved by doctor, which would make his claim look bulletproof while he stays alive? Originally he may have thought that would look beautiful. Then LD came out as doctor, got killed and it fucked up him staying alive.
I had notttt considered this, but honestly, it sort of adds up, because if that was the plan then Silver's late-round switch makes more sense. It was the trigger that allowed them to fake.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Wait wait wait... have we considered that Jaz may have faked, attempted to whack himself, but expected to get saved by doctor, which would make his claim look bulletproof while he stays alive? Originally he may have thought that would look beautiful. Then LD came out as doctor, got killed and it fucked up him staying alive.
I had notttt considered this, but honestly, it sort of adds up, because if that was the plan then Silver's late-round switch makes more sense. It was the trigger that allowed them to fake.
Again, if Jaz was faking - he knew he had killed the doctor.
I've said a lot of dumb stuff and probably made myself look suspicious, but it's really from being excited and new to the game. I am 100% town, and I'm sorry for making so many rookie mistakes
I had notttt considered this, but honestly, it sort of adds up, because if that was the plan then Silver's late-round switch makes more sense. It was the trigger that allowed them to fake.
Again, if Jaz was faking - he knew he had killed the doctor.
How does this make any sense? He faked first. Mafia isn't given the docs name.
How does this make any sense? He faked first. Mafia isn't given the docs name.
Yeah but LD revealed and was lynched
Right, but it is a timing thing. If the fake reveal was premeditated from the start, that plan was already in motion *before* LD revealed. I imagine Mafia wasn't pleased once they realized they'd put the Doctor up to the lynch d1, but it isn't like they could back out at that point?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Right, but it is a timing thing. If the fake reveal was premeditated from the start, that plan was already in motion *before* LD revealed. I imagine Mafia wasn't pleased once they realized they'd put the Doctor up to the lynch d1, but it isn't like they could back out at that point?
Definitely explains Kanye's last minute vote switch to set it in motion which was the hardest part of the story to reconcile
Right, but it is a timing thing. If the fake reveal was premeditated from the start, that plan was already in motion *before* LD revealed. I imagine Mafia wasn't pleased once they realized they'd put the Doctor up to the lynch d1, but it isn't like they could back out at that point?
They could absolutely back out at that point and either
1) lynch the real inspector 2) lynch no inspector to sow doubt in the town
I fail to see why mafia would whack one of their own when the only person who could have saved them was lynched.
I can def see the point where faking was a part of the plan, but I don’t think they’d still self whack after they knew the doctor was out of the picture.
How does this make any sense? He faked first. Mafia isn't given the docs name.
Yeah but LD revealed and was lynched
At that point, Jaz / Kanye's plan had been destroyed (in this scenario)... I'm not really convinced that they would move in one direction or the other after LDs doc reveal (self whack for credibility vs NBF whack).
You're saying they would have pivoted back, whacked NBF, then have both Doc and Inspector eliminated? It makes sense, but it would guarantee they were consecutive lynches on 2 and 3 anyways. I think they may have thought that if they whacked Jaz, they lose him, but NBFs cred is destroyed and Kanye may have been safe for longer than what actually happened. If kanye was mafia, I'm guessing that they were surprised that he was lynched Day 2 and that they plan failed.
Right, but it is a timing thing. If the fake reveal was premeditated from the start, that plan was already in motion *before* LD revealed. I imagine Mafia wasn't pleased once they realized they'd put the Doctor up to the lynch d1, but it isn't like they could back out at that point?
They could absolutely back out at that point and either
1) lynch the real inspector 2) lynch no inspector to sow doubt in the town
I fail to see why mafia would whack one of their own when the only person who could have saved them was lynched.
I agree with you there, assuming you mean "whack" not "lynch" in this post. It is one of the main sticking points I still have re: jumping fully onto the I Believe NBF train. Either of the above scenarios (whacking NBF or whacking neither NBF or Jaz night 1) would've been a better strategic move for Mafia, both numerically and strategically to sow doubt (in scenario #2 specifically).
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
To answer both of your points right now I think there’s two scenarios
1) doctor royally messed up night 1 (which I think is entirely possible)
2) NBF is the real inspector
Now I’m kinda at the point where idk if we can concretely find out which scenario happened so I’m just going to have to reread and focus more on each remaining players contributions to the game and weather or not they ended up helping/hurting town.
Post by Jeremy Fragrance on Apr 20, 2020 10:05:14 GMT -5
The real doctor and inspector are most likely dead at this point, and we've been left with an absolute mess to decipher. As Jortles said, LD could have claimed doc just to cause chaos and confusion before he died, because he knew town wouldn't lynch an inspector claim. NBF added on with her inspector claim to completely confuse everyone, and let the third mafia member hide.
Only because right now it's a landslide vote and I'm curious if getting things a little more evened up gets some information out there via vote switches or whatever. Please note this does NOT mean I believe NBF, or do not believe Jaz, or vice versa.
Teddy didn't know who to believe, so he didn't try to save either inspector claim. Then Jaz died, and on D2 he said this.
The town has a decision to make: Jaz was inspector, or NBF. The longer this decision takes, the muddier the waters get. Drawing this discussion out creates more opportunities for the mafia to sow discord, and I think it's in our best interest to follow one lead to the bitter end.
I believe Jaz.
Teddy > NBF
I don't know why mafia whacked Maddog before Teddy if this scenario is true, but this is where we are now.
Theo you make a very good point in that I don’t think the whack of teddy is insignificant. Why whack a newish player (who mafia usually likes keeping around) if they weren’t on the something? Or doctor?
The real doctor and inspector are most likely dead at this point, and we've been left with an absolute mess to decipher. As Jortles said, LD could have claimed doc just to cause chaos and confusion before he died, because he knew town wouldn't lynch an inspector claim. NBF added on with her inspector claim to completely confuse everyone, and let the third mafia member hide.
Only because right now it's a landslide vote and I'm curious if getting things a little more evened up gets some information out there via vote switches or whatever. Please note this does NOT mean I believe NBF, or do not believe Jaz, or vice versa.
Teddy didn't know who to believe, so he didn't try to save either inspector claim. Then Jaz died, and on D2 he said this.
The town has a decision to make: Jaz was inspector, or NBF. The longer this decision takes, the muddier the waters get. Drawing this discussion out creates more opportunities for the mafia to sow discord, and I think it's in our best interest to follow one lead to the bitter end.
I believe Jaz.
Teddy > NBF
I don't know why mafia whacked Maddog before Teddy if this scenario is true, but this is where we are now.
I think Maddog was the first to lock on LD on day 1. I mentioned the thread between Teddy and MD earlier that Mafia could be ridding the town of people who believe Jaz the most... or wanting us to see this and misdirect us.
