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Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on May 12, 2020 7:14:13 GMT -5
If you’re doing fantasy sports, there’s a benefit to drafting sleepers - players who are going to outperform their predicted stats over the course of the season. There’s no comparable here. If you try to deep select someone folks here haven’t heard of but you think they’d like, it just hurts you because you’re drafting an artist folks haven’t heard of and they knock you for it in voting.
Theo vs DRAGON ENERGY - This one was really hard for me and came down to the schedule. But I'd end up seeing more at DE's and and I'd also be more excited to see stuff at DE's, if that makes sense. Theo has a great undercard tho.
(Also, my 2 cents on the whole New Order thing. As much as I love them, they're not a sub. I saw them in a half empty tent at Coach 2017. So having them as your #2 on their day makes me think that day is really weak before I even look at the rest. Which there is some good stuff Sunday, but it is a light day and you're def missing a sub on a day you already don't have a solid headliner. I feel like you could've spread this out a little more to make them both work better in your lineup)
Chandler Bingaling vs. Jaz - This one was also pretty difficult and took me the longest to decide between. Ultimately that Em-Dre-Snoop super set is just too damn intriguing and pushed me over the edge. There's a ton for me at both fests tho.
cdevaney vs. pablo - I feel weird voting against Portishead and Massive Attack, bc both are big acts on my bucket list. But Cdev's overall lineup is just more to my taste.
Monie vs. Fred - Obviously I'm voting for myself, and obviously my own line up is much more suited to my own taste. I like a lot of stuff on Fred's lineup, but ultimately I think my undercard shines more than his and I prefer the subs I chose over his (sans J Balvin, who doesn't go very far for anyone but like 3 people on this board anyways). I did a 10 to 10 comparison below tho if you want an in depth thing here.
Pepe Silvia vs. Silver Surfer - I actually like both of these a lot, but the edge goes to Pepe.
Kim Smoltz vs. Todd - Not a lot to say here. Todd as more stuff I'd be excited to see.
Jake Jortles vs. sang - Jake's just more well-rounded for me. Sang's lineup has a lot of names that I know people probably like a lot in a genre I just don't care for.
King T vs. JamesTheRam - I think T's is a good example of striking a balance between good music-snob stuff and shit I'd just have a fun ass time at.
Friday: Paul vs Rosalia - I like both, but Rosalia isn't really a headliner and Paul is a legend. We could even swap this for Tyler as he should prob be your #1 here over Rosalia anyways, and it's the same thing. Paul wins over Tyler or Rosalia.
Travis Scott vs Tyler - I'd prob give this to Tyler, though both would be fun. Tyler is just more interesting.
The xx vs The Stone Roses - The xx. I'm not a fan of The Stone Roses.
HER vs J Balvin - I'm prob one of like 3 people on here who like J Balvin. And I love him. I like HER, but I would give this to J Balvin.
Moby vs The Postal Service - This one is hard to compare bc they're so different and I like both. But if this were a scheduling conflict, I'd prob The Postal Service only bc they're not together anymore. But I'd have way more fun at Moby.
Echo & the Bunnymen vs Megan Thee Stallion - I'd see Echo and the Bunnymen for sure. They're on my list of acts to see. Nothing against Megan here, but I think it's no contest.
Gucci Gang vs Groove Armada - Groove Armada would be fun, but everyone would be going for that one song. Gucci Gang is what I call, "fun trash hip hop." Is it the best music? No. But it'd be fun and I'd be entertained the whole time. Gucci Mane and Lil Pump have some fun trashy songs. Idgaf about Smokepurpp tho.
Yo La Tengo vs 2manydjs - I drafted 2manydjs last time. I like them. I saw them in Jan and they're great. I've never seen Yo La Tengo so if this were a conflict I'd go there, but I'll give this one to Fred. Even tho neither are a wrong choice imo.
Duke Dumont vs The Blood Brothers - Idk who the blood brothers are, but listening to 30 seconds of them it's like screamo emo rock? That's not my thing, so I'm good on that. Duke Dumont hands down.
Marian Hill vs Sven Vath - Again, not familiar with Sven, but I'd go to Marian Hill. He sounds like a good house DJ, but I could get that elsewhere in the fest. I haven't seen Marian Hill and would have a good time at that set.
Saturday: Jay Z vs Lady Gaga - Both are solid headliners. I've seen Lady Gaga and had a great time, but I've never seen Jay Z. Both have a solid discography and a long list of hits. They both put on a great show. This one is a draw, slight edge to Jay Z only bc I've never seen him and being a Coachella set he'd prob have a great list of guests.
Kraftwerk vs Vampire Weekend - Kraftwerk.
NERD vs Chance - NERD. Chance I feel like is hit or miss. I've seen him 3 times and of those 3 he was only good once. I wish Chance was better than he is, but he's not. I would def give this to NERD. Pharrell also just has a looong list of collabs and the guest potential there is great.
Bazzi vs Danny Elfman - Bazzi is a big pop/hip hop singer. He's got millions of streams and hits with SZA, Camilla Cabello, 21 Savage, etc. You def know who he is if you you listen to his top streamed song on Spotify. I'd prob compare him to Khalid, but more poppy. I give this to Danny Elfman tho. It's the more unique pick. I will say, I saw Hans Zimmer at Coach tho and after the first half hour or so I left bc the novelty wore off. But seeing composers live is pretty cool and unique experience at a fest.
Violent Femmes vs Autechre - Violent Femmes. Autechre is good and I'd prob check them out schedule permitting. But Violent Femmes gets the legacy bump for me and is a bit more unique. It takes a lot for DJs to stand out though, and Autechre is a great Yuma act.
Armin van Buuren vs MIA - I've never seen MIA, but I have seen Armin van Buuren. I think he's on the better end of the spectrum of cheese edm, but I'd see MIA.
Ella Mai vs Jarvis Cocker - Personal taste here, I'm not a Jarvis Cocker fan. I'd see Ella Mai.
Dwight Yoakum vs Anitta - I would love to see both of these acts. And they're hard to compare bc Dwight Yoakum is a legendary country star, and Anitta is an up and coming latin star. But I'd prob go to Dwight just bc I've never had the chance to see him, and I think that Anitta will be around for a while. I do like her tho, so good pick.
DJ Snake vs Placebo - DJ Snake would be a fun ass show, but Placebo is the better band. So I'd prob go to them.
Broken Bells vs Roni Size Reprazent - Idk who Roni is. Sounds like drum and bass? Which isn't my thing. Not sure if you've ever seen Broken Bells, but they're so good live. Danger Mouse is such a force to be reckoned with. I can't wait for them to put out new music and tour again. I hope we get something soon.
Sunday: RHCP vs Jack White - I had fun at RHCP at Roo in 17. But I'd rather see Jack White.
The Black Keys vs Cardi B - Inforoo loves to hate them, and maybe it's bc I'm from Ohio, but The Black Keys are not that bad. They are not headliners, imo, but they're very talented and they put out solid albums. Dan Auerbach can be kinda douchey, but whatever. Cardi would be a fun show. But she also seems like she'd kinda be a trainwreck live. I've never seen either, and I think if they were up against each other I'd prob split the sets. But to give a winner here I'm going to go with my Ohio boys.
David Guetta vs Them Crooked Vultures - I took David Guetta in the great cheese run during the draft. In hindsight I wish I would've gone with Axwell ^ Ingrosso, but that's neither here nor there. I've seen him live and it was fun, so whatever. I can respect the talent in Them Crooked Vultures, but it's not my kind of music. I'll give this to you tho bc I'm not making a strong musical argument for David Guetta. 😂
Phantogram vs Miguel - I really like both of these artists. I think Miguel is an amazing singer and his discography is varied and interesting. I think he deserves much more love than he gets in the festival circuit. Phantogram is also solid live and very talented, but I concede they're festival whores and prob billed higher in the festival circuit than they should be. I give this Miguel.
BLACKPINK vs Black Eyed Peas - lol at them both having black in their names. But this def goes to BLACKPINK. They're fantastic and so much fun to watch. Their songs are catchy and kpop as a genre is more interesting than anything the BEP have done.
MGMT vs Summer Walker - I've never heard of Summer Walker, but she has a lovely voice. It sounds like something I'd listen to in down time or as background music while I work. I will say, she sounds like most r&b singers that are popular right now, so it doesn't stand out. MGMT is def more unique musically than Summer Walker it seems, so I'd go there. Though I acknowledge I'm making a snap judgement, but this could easily be SZA, Solange or even Ariana in her lower register...
I'm actually going to stop here-ish bc looking at the next names on your lineup, I only really know 1 of them so it's just going to be more of me making snap judgements... but...
Tory Lanez vs Throbbing Gristle, Lapsley vs Eric Prydz, Minus the Bear vs Scissor Sisters. No idea who Throbbing Gristle is, Lapsley is better than Eric Prydz, and I'm vaguely familiar with Scissor Sisters. So I'd go to Tory Lanez, Lapsley and prob check out Scissor Sisters bc I know enough that I'm interested. And I've seen Minus the Bear, so I'd go see something new.
Overall, I think we're pretty evenly matched, but I went with my act 18/29 times, plus one tie.
What genre is that? I have a good mix of everything. I also concentrated on rare acts that only played once or haven't played many fests other than Coachella. People don't appreciate uniqueness.
Post by Nathan Fieldcяab on May 12, 2020 8:24:17 GMT -5
Maybe it's just semantics, but I do think there's a difference between drafting "a Coachella lineup" and "a lineup for Coachella" (rules state the latter)
Maybe it's just semantics, but I do think there's a difference between drafting "a Coachella lineup" and "a lineup for Coachella" (rules state the latter)
I dunno, doesn’t that make it worse? Like if Goldenvoice hired you to make a lineup “for Coachella” and you turned in something with no electronic music you’d be on the bread line immediately. Or when LiveNation brought in new folks to make a lineup for Bonnaroo in 2016 and they switched a bunch of stuff up and it was a total disaster.
Maybe it's just semantics, but I do think there's a difference between drafting "a Coachella lineup" and "a lineup for Coachella" (rules state the latter)
I dunno, doesn’t that make it worse? Like if Goldenvoice hired you to make a lineup “for Coachella” and you turned in something with no electronic music you’d be on the bread line immediately. Or when LiveNation brought in new folks to make a lineup for Bonnaroo in 2016 and they switched a bunch of stuff up and it was a total disaster.
In real life, absolutely. But the target audience is pretty different: the general population vs. the forty or so people on this site
The ultimate goal is to try and win votes, and I think there's a way to do that either by going the realistic route or not worrying about it.
I dunno, doesn’t that make it worse? Like if Goldenvoice hired you to make a lineup “for Coachella” and you turned in something with no electronic music you’d be on the bread line immediately. Or when LiveNation brought in new folks to make a lineup for Bonnaroo in 2016 and they switched a bunch of stuff up and it was a total disaster.
In real life, absolutely. But the target audience is pretty different: the general population vs. the forty or so people on this site
The ultimate goal is to try and win votes, and I think there's a way to do that either by going the realistic route or not worrying about it.
Right but I'm saying those forty voters should consider more that simply "which lineup has more artists I like" when casting their votes. That should be priority 1, but I think everyone should be looking for a few boxes that each lineup should check to be somewhat similar a Coachella lineup.
Post by Fitter Happier on May 12, 2020 9:38:27 GMT -5
I also considered who I would fly across the country for. Right or wrong I tried to be realistic about the cost (which combined with being finals week is why I haven't gone yet). I can drive to Lolla, Bonnaroo, Panorama (RIP) and not care about the headliners and really enjoy the undercards, but if I'm dropping money on the flights, Coachella tickets, a place to stay or flying my camping gear, etc. I want to like all three headliners or be really excited about the one's I've never seen, preferably a mix of both. I probably would've considered the headliners less if it wasn't for that. I tried to also vote on a balanced lineup, what looked like a Coachella lineup top to bottom, and a mix between what I've seen and loved (and would want to see again) and who'd I'd really love to see and haven't. Plus, whose nutz I'd want Dragon across my face. There's that too.
I also considered who I would fly across the country for. Right or wrong I tried to be realistic about the cost (which combined with being finals week is why I haven't gone yet). I can drive to Lolla, Bonnaroo, Panorama (RIP) and not care about the headliners and really enjoy the undercards, but if I'm dropping money on the flights, Coachella tickets, a place to stay or flying my camping gear, etc. I want to like all three headliners or be really excited about the one's I've never seen, preferably a mix of both. I probably would've considered the headliners less if it wasn't for that. I tried to also vote on a balanced lineup, what looked like a Coachella lineup top to bottom, and a mix between what I've seen and loved (and would want to see again) and who'd I'd really love to see and haven't. Plus, whose nutz I'd want Dragon across my face. There's that too.
I consider this as well. This is my thought process:
1. Which lineup would I be more likely to completely obliterate my financial security for? 2. Would Coachella still be able to support 2 weekends as it relates to ticket sales? Is the lineup big enough to be Coachella? 3. Is the genre mix anywhere close to Coachella? Can I tell it's more of a Coachella lineup than a Bonnaroo or Lolla lineup? 4. Would I wake up super fucking excited on all three days of the festival?
I'm not concerned with how "Coachella-esque" a lineup is, so much as how consistent it is from top to bottom. All of these acts have played Coachella, so anything you draft is just going to be a twist on different aspects of Coachella. You may emphasise or minimise certain genres or moods more than the actual festival, but I think that's true of every player here. And let's be honest - the festival market has become saturated and homogenous enough that there isn't really a huge difference between Coachella and any other major festival the way there might have been a decade ago.
That said, if you don't have at least two headliners who would actually headline Coachella in real life, then it's going to be an uphill battle. The pool of unique headliners (who are also respected on Inforoo) isn't robust enough for everyone to secure three, but it makes your lineup look weak if you don't start it off with a decent punch.
In real life, absolutely. But the target audience is pretty different: the general population vs. the forty or so people on this site
The ultimate goal is to try and win votes, and I think there's a way to do that either by going the realistic route or not worrying about it.
Right but I'm saying those forty voters should consider more that simply "which lineup has more artists I like" when casting their votes. That should be priority 1, but I think everyone should be looking for a few boxes that each lineup should check to be somewhat similar a Coachella lineup.
I think that's a fair perspective. I also think people are gonna vote (and draft, for that matter) how they want regardless of how you think they "should" though. And that's ok too!
Right but I'm saying those forty voters should consider more that simply "which lineup has more artists I like" when casting their votes. That should be priority 1, but I think everyone should be looking for a few boxes that each lineup should check to be somewhat similar a Coachella lineup.
I think that's a fair perspective. I also think people are gonna vote (and draft, for that matter) how they want regardless of how you think they "should" though. And that's ok too!
Unless you provide a grading rubric that needs to be followed 🤓
there isn't really a huge difference between Coachella and any other major festival the way there might have been a decade ago.
Massive disagree. Bonnaroo doesn't have house nor techno, it has jam bands and it's rooted well within the foundations of the festival (see their latest docu). ACL doesn't have latino acts playing or focuses on diversity genre and country-wise as much as Coachella. If you put any major festival pure on paper next to a Coachella line up, I bet I'd always tell which one is from Coachella. Coachella is so much different from any other festival tho, it has it's own identity to me, the same thing with Bonnaroo imo. And sure you can make the argument that litteraly every band drafted has played the festival but some acts just feel a bit more 'Coachella' to me than the next one. trantsgiving brought that up once on the pod aswell and this counts for both headliners and general undercard.
there isn't really a huge difference between Coachella and any other major festival the way there might have been a decade ago.
Massive disagree. Bonnaroo doesn't have house nor techno, it has jam bands and it's rooted well within the foundations of the festival (see their latest docu). ACL doesn't have latino acts playing or focuses on diversity genre and country-wise as much as Coachella. If you put any major festival pure on paper next to a Coachella line up, I bet I'd always tell which one is from Coachella. Coachella is so much different from any other festival tho, it has it's own identity to me, the same thing with Bonnaroo imo. And sure you can make the argument that litteraly every band drafted has played the festival but some acts just feel a bit more 'Coachella' to me than the next one. trantsgiving brought that up once on the pod aswell and this counts for both headliners and general undercard.
One thing I’d add is, Bonnaroo doesn’t book the way as it used to book, so actually it’s not as different from the other festivals (except Coachella obviously) anymore.
All I wanna say to Monie is that Autechre is not a Yuma act lol
If Autechre were to play Coachella in 2021 I'd put money on them being in the Yuma.
Me saying that they're a good Yuma act isn't an insult, it's a compliment. It's a fucking sweet ass way to see a DJ at a festival. The Yuma is a fully enclosed tent that is only meant for electronic acts and it's one of those things that makes Coachella unique and interesting. It's dark and has cool lights and couches all around and it has a really awesome industrial warehouse rave vibe to it. At least that's what it makes me think of when I'm in there. It's such a cool setting to see a DJ and I've never seen anything like it at an American festival. So seeing most DJs in the Yuma would be a great experience. I'm not sure why you view it as some sort of insult or downgrade to put someone in there.
Ah come on, you get what I mean. Seeing stuff from sound tracks live is kinda corny even more if it's from movie like Lion King or whatever.
double wut.
I will grant you that The Lion King / Disney in general is pretty corny (yeah, I said it) - but now you're coming for film scores in general? Film scores are amazing to see live because they're generally classically composed, with way more to interest you than four chords or a drum machine. I'll take a composer doing a film score of a movie that I haven't even seen, over a random band or DJ I might know a couple songs by.
This was incredible live, and if you can't see any merit in it, well... there's no hope for you, Bingaling.
1. Theo (sorry bb Trist) - both undercards are great, but I love 3 outta 3 of the HLers on Theo's, only 2 outta 3 for Trist 2. Bing, by a hair - this was a really tough call, both banging lineups top to bottom 3. cdev 4. Monie - Paul/Jaz Z/Jack is dope, wheres sry Fred but RHCP is a bit of an eyesore 5. Pepe - though really liked Kanye's lineup too 6. Kim 7. Jortles - though Prince veryyyyy nearly got me to veer over to Sang's, Jortles has the overall stronger lineup IMO 8. King T - like 'em both a lot though
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Jake Jortles vs. sang - Jake's just more well-rounded for me. Sang's lineup has a lot of names that I know people probably like a lot in a genre I just don't care for.
What genre is that? I have a good mix of everything. I also concentrated on rare acts that only played once or haven't played many fests other than Coachella. People don't appreciate uniqueness.
I guess 90's alternative for lack of a better description. Pavement, Air, Mazzy Star, Elbow, Jesus & Mary Chain, Guided by Voices (this is more 80s, but it's got the same vibe I'm trying to describe). All good bands and I'd be happy to see any of them at a fest. But it's not my favorite genre and to see so much of it just kinda turns me off. But like I said, it's totally preferential bc whereas I don't particularly go for this, others would be all about it.
Ah come on, you get what I mean. Seeing stuff from sound tracks live is kinda corny even more if it's from movie like Lion King or whatever.
double wut.
I will grant you that The Lion King / Disney in general is pretty corny (yeah, I said it) - but now you're coming for film scores in general? Film scores are amazing to see live because they're generally classically composed, with way more to interest you than four chords or a drum machine. I'll take a composer doing a film score of a movie that I haven't even seen, over a random band or DJ I might know a couple songs by.
This was incredible live, and if you can't see any merit in it, well... there's no hope for you, Bingaling.
I just said it's 'kinda corny'. Seeing tracks from Pirates Of The Caribean, Gladiator or Lion King is entirely different than see Max Richter or Ryuichi Sakamoto do a piece. You know these songs, there's a certain nostalgia factor.. It's corny. I've never said that "I don't see any merit in it" or that I discredit Zimmer for the shit he's ever done.
there isn't really a huge difference between Coachella and any other major festival the way there might have been a decade ago.
Massive disagree. Bonnaroo doesn't have house nor techno, it has jam bands and it's rooted well within the foundations of the festival (see their latest docu). ACL doesn't have latino acts playing or focuses on diversity genre and country-wise as much as Coachella. If you put any major festival pure on paper next to a Coachella line up, I bet I'd always tell which one is from Coachella. Coachella is so much different from any other festival tho, it has it's own identity to me, the same thing with Bonnaroo imo. And sure you can make the argument that litteraly every band drafted has played the festival but some acts just feel a bit more 'Coachella' to me than the next one. trantsgiving brought that up once on the pod aswell and this counts for both headliners and general undercard.
Does Bonnaroo still have jam bands? This year's lineup (before the world went to shit) had Oysterhead as a token nod to its jammy past, and that was about it. Maybe Bassnectar if you'd call that jam. Meanwhile, other top names like Tool, Lizzo, Flume, Tame Impala, Lana del Rey, Vampire Weekend, etc have all played Coachella (and probably Lolla, ACL, and so on). There is still a somewhat different flavour to Coachella than Bonnaroo, but it's more Pepsi vs Coke than night vs day.
Massive disagree. Bonnaroo doesn't have house nor techno, it has jam bands and it's rooted well within the foundations of the festival (see their latest docu). ACL doesn't have latino acts playing or focuses on diversity genre and country-wise as much as Coachella. If you put any major festival pure on paper next to a Coachella line up, I bet I'd always tell which one is from Coachella. Coachella is so much different from any other festival tho, it has it's own identity to me, the same thing with Bonnaroo imo. And sure you can make the argument that litteraly every band drafted has played the festival but some acts just feel a bit more 'Coachella' to me than the next one. trantsgiving brought that up once on the pod aswell and this counts for both headliners and general undercard.
Does Bonnaroo still have jam bands? This year's lineup (before the world went to shit) had Oysterhead as a token nod to its jammy past, and that was about it. Maybe Bassnectar if you'd call that jam. Meanwhile, other top names like Tool, Lizzo, Flume, Tame Impala, Lana del Rey, Vampire Weekend, etc have all played Coachella (and probably Lolla, ACL, and so on). There is still a somewhat different flavour to Coachella than Bonnaroo, but it's more Pepsi vs Coke than night vs day.
BIG Something Andy Frasco (Plays the Jam Circuit) Liz Cooper & The Stampede (Live, definitely a jam) Primus Turkuaz (Kinda) Pigeons Oysterhead Billy Strings Marcus King Band Greensky Bluegrass
I know it's very close and for some just boils down to a few very specific acts but I wonder if you've also tried to fill in my schedule compared to Jaz's? If it is available, I always use that to get a better grisp of what I could be in for aswell (I did that for example with Theo and Tristan).
Massive disagree. Bonnaroo doesn't have house nor techno, it has jam bands and it's rooted well within the foundations of the festival (see their latest docu). ACL doesn't have latino acts playing or focuses on diversity genre and country-wise as much as Coachella. If you put any major festival pure on paper next to a Coachella line up, I bet I'd always tell which one is from Coachella. Coachella is so much different from any other festival tho, it has it's own identity to me, the same thing with Bonnaroo imo. And sure you can make the argument that litteraly every band drafted has played the festival but some acts just feel a bit more 'Coachella' to me than the next one. trantsgiving brought that up once on the pod aswell and this counts for both headliners and general undercard.
Does Bonnaroo still have jam bands? This year's lineup (before the world went to shit) had Oysterhead as a token nod to its jammy past, and that was about it. Maybe Bassnectar if you'd call that jam. Meanwhile, other top names like Tool, Lizzo, Flume, Tame Impala, Lana del Rey, Vampire Weekend, etc have all played Coachella (and probably Lolla, ACL, and so on). There is still a somewhat different flavour to Coachella than Bonnaroo, but it's more Pepsi vs Coke than night vs day.
Massive disagree. Bonnaroo doesn't have house nor techno, it has jam bands and it's rooted well within the foundations of the festival (see their latest docu). ACL doesn't have latino acts playing or focuses on diversity genre and country-wise as much as Coachella. If you put any major festival pure on paper next to a Coachella line up, I bet I'd always tell which one is from Coachella. Coachella is so much different from any other festival tho, it has it's own identity to me, the same thing with Bonnaroo imo. And sure you can make the argument that litteraly every band drafted has played the festival but some acts just feel a bit more 'Coachella' to me than the next one. trantsgiving brought that up once on the pod aswell and this counts for both headliners and general undercard.
One thing I’d add is, Bonnaroo doesn’t book the way as it used to book, so actually it’s not as different from the other festivals (except Coachella obviously) anymore.
I disagree. I think they've become more distinct again since 2018. Phish and Tool are the big ones but they booked all three of Lumineers / Hozier / Avetts in 19, and then a lot of wook stuff w/ Oysterhead, Bassnectar, Greensky Bluegrass, Tipper, JRAD, PPPP, Turkuaz and some silly stuff like Lonely Island, Tenacious D, Nelly, Marc Rebillet, Lil Dicky. The metal is also back (although not much) w/ Primus, Tool, Deafheaven, and Gojira. They're still doing Grand Ole Opry and the Superjam too. I would be able to see both 2019 and 2020's lineup and instantly be able to recognize that it's Bonnaroo. If all acts were on the table for this draft, I wouldn't have drafted anything close to my last Coachella one cause I took Dead and Co, Sturgill, Deftones, Disco Biscuits, Greensky Bluegrass. The line ups aren't as good as they used to be for sure but they are certainly distinct from other big fests.
In real life, absolutely. But the target audience is pretty different: the general population vs. the forty or so people on this site
The ultimate goal is to try and win votes, and I think there's a way to do that either by going the realistic route or not worrying about it.
Right but I'm saying those forty voters should consider more that simply "which lineup has more artists I like" when casting their votes. That should be priority 1, but I think everyone should be looking for a few boxes that each lineup should check to be somewhat similar a Coachella lineup.
I totally agree, and maybe the question in the OP of each poll could be changed to reflect this, but beyond that, I reiterate that I don’t think there’s any way to really enforce this.
there isn't really a huge difference between Coachella and any other major festival the way there might have been a decade ago.
Massive disagree. Bonnaroo doesn't have house nor techno, it has jam bands and it's rooted well within the foundations of the festival (see their latest docu). ACL doesn't have latino acts playing or focuses on diversity genre and country-wise as much as Coachella. If you put any major festival pure on paper next to a Coachella line up, I bet I'd always tell which one is from Coachella. Coachella is so much different from any other festival tho, it has it's own identity to me, the same thing with Bonnaroo imo. And sure you can make the argument that litteraly every band drafted has played the festival but some acts just feel a bit more 'Coachella' to me than the next one. trantsgiving brought that up once on the pod aswell and this counts for both headliners and general undercard.
nah
they routinely book tejano acts, and other latinx artists. last year they had lafourcade, rosalia, kali, cardi, ximena all pretty high, and down the line is the more 'texas' oriented stuff that you'd see low LA centric stuff with coachella
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