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You have been given the opportunity to curate the initial lineup for a festival in competition with twenty-four eleven others. It's the spooky season and we are feeling nostalgic so any artist that is deceased as of the first pick of the draft is eligible. In addition, any act that has been inactive* since before 01/01/10 is eligible. The act or artist needs to have played at least two live public shows of six or more songs to be eligible. The top twenty twenty-one artists on each lineup will be locked into non-compete clauses preventing them from being on any of these other festival lineups. When the top twenty is complete, you can add up to an additional seventy-five undrafted free agents (UDFA) to your lineup. Winners will be decided by poll in elimination rounds of twenty-five twelve, fifteen, eight, four and two. (Ties move on.) Voting rounds amended via Prop 3.Number of exclusive acts amended via Prop 6/Rule 21.
*An act is considered inactive if they have played no live shows and/or released no new music after 12/31/09. In addition they cannot have newly recorded music pending release and nor upcoming shows scheduled.
See Rules 20 & 21 for additional eligibility changes.
1) Once an artist or member of an act is drafted they are unavailable to anyone else however side-projects and solo artists from that act would still be eligible until separately drafted as long as their typical set contains no more than six songs by a previously drafted performer.
2) A maximum of two superjams are allowed (but not required) without taking up a draft/free agent slot. Any additional superjams will require the use of a slot.
3) Disputes handled via poll. Upon confirming receipt of dispute request, a poll will be put up and run for twelve hours. Polls can run seven days a week but no poll will start before 9AM or after 9PM Eastern. Drafting will continue while the poll is running. If a poll is a tie, the thing being disputed stands.
4) Once we have twenty-five twelve participants, draft order will be randomly generated for the first round and will continue as a snake draft. (I.e., the person with the last pick in the first round would have the first pick in the second round.)
5) In Rounds One through Ten, picks between 9AM and 9PM Eastern will have a maximum of six hours. Any turn that starts between 9PM and 3AM Eastern will expire in twelve hours. Any turn that starts between 3AM and 6AM will expire in nine hours. Any turn that starts between 6AM and 9AM will expire in seven hours.
Beginning in Round Eleven, picks between 9AM and 9PM Eastern will have a maximum of three hours. Any turn that starts between 9PM and 6AM Eastern will expire in six hours. Any turn that starts between 6AM and 9AM will expire at Noon.
6) If a participant's time expires, their turn is skipped and the participant can then select from any remaining acts at the time that they register their pick. If a participant is still on the clock from a previous turn because their time expired without making a selection, then when their next turn comes around the wait for their turn is waived. A participant can make up a maximum of two picks - if they fall behind by more than two picks the additional picks are forfeit.
7) When you post your selection, identify who the pick is. (Do not assume that everybody else can recognize your pick from pic or gif - formatting issues sometimes make them unreadable.) In addition, tag the next person after you and the person going after them to keep things moving.
8) Trades are allowed. All participants must verify the terms of the trade. (Note: Trades are subject to dispute. In the event that a trade is believed to be unrealistically lopsided, a participant can call for a poll on the validity of said trade.)
9) Up to seventy-five undrafted free agents can be selected in the ninety-six hours after the last draft selection. Following that, participants will then have their UDFA presented individually, allowing time to highlight acts and for other participants to verify that no previously drafted acts were included as another's UDFA.
10) Any rule changes prior to the start of the draft will be decided by me and updated in the OP.
11) Any rule changes after the start of the draft will require fifteen eight participant votes in favor prior to adoption. Amended via Prop 2
12) A rule change cannot be instituted to change the process of changing rules or disputes. (E.g., no vote to assign a "ref.")
13) If an artist performs both solo and with a set band, then when one is drafted all iterations are off the table. For example, if an artist like Prince is drafted then Prince and the Revolution is off the table. However if an artist like Neil Young is drafted then Neil Young & Crazy Horse would off the table but not Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.
14) If an act has multiple lineup configurations, the one drafted should be identified when drafted. Other configurations would then be off the table. For example, if you were selecting Van Halen then you verified that you were choosing the iteration with Gary Cherone, the David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar VH's would be off the table.
15) In the event that a participant is unable or unwilling to complete the draft, a Supplemental Round will be established. All of that participant's selected artists would be available for selection in this round. The order would be random and would be established after completion of round twenty or whichever round follows the departure of the drafter, whichever is later. Only one supplemental round will occur regardless of the number of acts available. If fewer than twenty-five supplemental acts become available or if a drafter does not want to select a supplemental act then they may select any other available act.
16) If a drafter appears to be acting to the detriment of the draft, participants are able to request that drafter's removal. Removal will require twenty ten votes in favor. Only participants may vote and the votes are public. That participant's drafted artists would be moved to a supplemental round. Amended via Prop Four.
17) If a drafter may not be able to make their pick, they may select a proxy or proxies to select on their behalf. Proxies must be stated in thread.
18) If an artist dies after the first selection is made but before the last selection is made, he or she is eligible to all participants as a free agent. If they are affiliated with a band, however, that does not make that band eligible since the deceased member may conceivably be replaced. (Exception: if the act is billed as XXX and the YYY's, if XXX dies it is reasonable to assume that that XXX and the YYY's will no longer tour or record new music under that moniker.) If the artist dies after the final selection of the draft but before free agency then they are not eligible.
19) In the event that a team takes an act who has been accused of any sort of assault, harassment, violence, etc. (or if this happens mid-draft) and the drafting team did not know this, they may drop that act, however can only replace them in UDFAs.
20) An act that has released music or toured in the 2010s is eligible if an essential member of the band has died. Essential must mean a member so vital to the group that it is seen as extremely unlikely that the group will ever perform or release new music (without the deceased member) again or if the band has stated that they won’t perform again without the deceased member. Any disputes will be handled via poll or the agreement to drop the act from whoever picked the act. Examples of essential members: Neil Peart, MCA, the Allman Brothers. Added via Prop 5.
21) Add an extra two rounds (rounds 21 & 22) has been added to allow selection of an act or artist who had never played live before. Artists or acts are deemed eligible for this round if they have released at least one studio album under their name and have never played a live show before. This round will have a different draft order determined by random.org. Added via Prop 6.Amended to add an additional round with these same rules via Prop 7.
Elvis Presley | David Bowie | The Velvet Underground Aretha Franklin | Cream | Joni Mitchell | Bee Gees John Lennon & Yoko Ono | Celia Cruz | Jeff Buckley | Arthur Russell Scott Walker | Fela Kuti | Fripp & Eno | Kyuss Suicide | Life Without Buildings | Jay Reatard | Women Burial | Marilyn Monroe
Queen | The Traveling Wilburys | The Clash N.W.A. | Tina Turner | George Michael | Soundgarden The Highwaymen | Pantera | Ol' Dirty Bastard | Joe Cocker The Cars | The Sugarcubes | The Cranberries | Rilo Kiley Elastica | Solomon Burke | Buena Vista Social Club | Sam & Dave William Onyeabor | Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes | The Modern Lovers | XTC Soul Coughing | Colonel Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade | East River Pipe
Jimi Hendrix | Miles Davis | Marvin Gaye The Police | Billie Holiday | The Band | Ramones Creedence Clearwater Revival | Electric Light Orchestra | The Stooges | UGK Throbbing Gristle | Big L | Sarah Vaughan | Dizzy Gillespie Everly Brothers | Ornette Coleman | Jackie Wilson | Judy Garland Madvillain | Alvin and the Chipmunks
Led Zeppelin | Talking Heads | James Brown Donna Summer | Little Richard | Louis Armstrong | Motörhead Leonard Cohen | Talk Talk | Siouxsie and the Banshees | Charlie Parker Silver Jews | Rick James | Sex Pistols | Hüsker Dü Issac Hayes | Beth Gibbons & Rustin Man | Waylon Jennings Eric Dolphy | The Byrds | Purple Mountains | Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris and Linda Ronstadt
Paul McCartney & Wings | 2Pac | Selena Carpenters | Childish Gambino and Chance the Rapper | Lou Reed | Nate Dogg Mac Miller | John Prine | Juice WRLD | Avicii Laura Branigan | Black Jack Johnson | Lil Peep | Darlin’ DJ Screw | Nipsey Hussle | Fridge | Fine Young Cannibals Her's | Catherine Wheel | Westside Connection | Paul and Linda McCartney
Nirvana | Johnny Cash | The Notorious B.I.G. Oasis | Otis Redding | Ella Fitzgerald | Fugazi Can | The Verve | Jerry Garcia Band | Dusty Springfield Big Star | Thelonious Monk | Oingo Boingo | Big Pun Charles Mingus | SAULT | Boogie Down Productions | Uncle Tupelo The Beta Band | Operation Ivy | Prodigy | DJ Rashad Jai Paul
Prince | Grateful Dead | Rush The Allman Brothers Band | The Supremes | Amy Winehouse | Jefferson Airplane Curtis Mayfield | Neu! | Stevie Ray Vaughn | Charles Bradley & His Extraordinaries 13th Floor Elevators | Warren Zevon | White Zombie | Traffic Bobby Womack | Peter Tosh | Mad Season | Humble Pie Minor Threat | The Wrecking Crew | The Firm
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers | Nina Simone | Frank Zappa Eurythmics | Patsy Cline | John Denver | Hank Williams Buddy Holly | Harry Chapin | Peter, Paul, and Mary | Morphine Sharon Jones | Phil Ochs | Thompson Twins | Til Tuesday Daniel Johnston | Darondo
The Smiths | Beastie Boys | Janis Joplin Bill Withers | Alice Coltrane | Elliott Smith | Nat King Cole Temple Of The Dog | Barry White | Mac Dre | Silver Weather Report | Badfinger | Lizzy Mercier Descloux | Syd Barrett Van McCoy | Rupert Holmes | Robin Williams | D12 Fat Pat | Chynna |
Bob Marley & the Wailers | Ray Charles | George Harrison Destiny's Child | Roy Orbison | Joy Division | Aaliyah Harry Nilsson | Gladys Knight & the Pips | T. Rex | Stan Getz & Joao Gilberto Merle Haggard | Etta James | Nick Drake | Gil Scott-Heron Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band | Townes Van Zandt | Galaxie 500 | Spacemen 3 Laura Nyro | Fishmans | Louis Armstrong & Ella Fitzgerald
The Beatles | Whitney Houston | Frank Sinatra The White Stripes | B.B. King | Sly & the Family Stone | Sam Cooke Duke Ellington | Dire Straits | Muddy Waters | Tracy Chapman Sublime | Chet Baker | Frightened Rabbit | Ravi Shankar The Jam | Robert Johnson | Howlin Wolf | Sammy Davis Jr David Byrne & Brian Eno | DangerDoom
The Doors | John Coltrane | Fugees Cocteau Twins | Nico | Serge Gainsbourg | J Dilla Sparklehorse | Frankie Knuckles | Drexciya | Broadcast Nujabes | Tony Allen | The Birthday Party | Jóhann Jóhannsson Andrew Weatherall | John Cage | Sun Ra & His Arkestra | Cassius DJ Mehdi | Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross | This Mortal Coil
Proposal Five: An act that has released music or toured in the 2010s is eligible if an essential member of the band has died. Essential must mean a member so vital to the group that it is seen as extremely unlikely that the group will ever perform or release new music (without the deceased member) again or if the band has stated that they won’t perform again without the deceased member. Any disputes will be handled via poll or the agreement to drop the act from whoever picked the act. Examples of essential members: Neil Peart, MCA, the Allman Brothers. ADOPTED
Proposal Six: Add an extra round (round 21) for artists who had never played live before. Artists are deemed eligible for this round if they have released at least one studio album under their name and have never played a live show before. This round will have a different draft order determined by RNG. ADOPTED
13th Floor Elevators Aaliyah The Allman Brothers Band Tony Allen Alvin and the Chipmunks Louis Armstrong Avicii Badfinger Chet Baker The Band Syd Barrett Beastie Boys The Beatles Bee Gees The Beta Band Big L Big Pun Big Star The Birthday Party Black Jack Johnson Boogie Down Productions David Bowie Charles Bradley & His Extraordinaries Broadcast James Brown Jeff Buckley Buena Vista Social Club Burial Solomon Burke The Byrds David Byrne & Brian Eno John Cage Can Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band George Carlin Carpenters Cars Johnny Cash Cassius Catherine Wheel Harry Chapin Tracy Chapman Ray Charles The Chi-Lites Chynna The Clash Patsy Cline Joe Cocker Cocteau Twins Leonard Cohen Nat King Cole Ornette Coleman Colonel Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade Alice Coltrane John Coltrane Sam Cooke The Cranberries Cream Creedence Clearwater Revival Celia Cruz D12 DangerDoom Darlin’ Darondo Miles Davis Sammy Davis Jr John Denver Lizzy Mercier Descloux Destiny's Child J Dilla Dire Straits DJ Mehdi DJ Rashad DJ Screw Nate Dogg Eric Dolphy The Doors Nick Drake Mac Dre Drexciya East River Pipe Elastica Electric Light Orchestra Duke Ellington Eurythmics Everly Brothers Faces Fame Kills Fat Pat Fine Young Cannibals The Firm Fishmans Ella Fitzgerald Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong Aretha Franklin Fridge Frightened Rabbit Fripp & Eno Fugazi Fugees
Serge Gainsbourg Galaxie 500 Childish Gambino and Chance the Rapper Gang of Four Gang Starr Jerry Garcia Band Judy Garland Marvin Gaye Getto Boys Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto Beth Gibbons & Rustin Man Dizzy Gillespie The Good, The Bad & The Queen Grateful Dead Griselda Merle Haggard George Harrison Issac Hayes Mitch Hedberg Jimi Hendrix Her's The Highwaymen Billie Holiday Buddy Holly Rupert Holmes Whitney Houston Howlin Wolf Humble Pie Hüsker Dü Nipsey Hussle The Jam Etta James Rick James Jefferson Airplane Waylon Jennings Jóhann Jóhannsson Robert Johnson Daniel Johnston Sharon Jones Janis Joplin Joy Division Juice WRLD B.B. King The Kinks Gladys Knight & the Pips Frankie Knuckles Fela Kuti Kyuss Led Zeppelin John Lennon & Yoko Ono Life Without Buildings Lil Peep Little Richard Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes Mad Season Madvillain Bob Marley & the Wailers Curtis Mayfield Mazzy Star Paul McCartney & Wings Paul and Linda McCartney Van McCoy George Michael Mac Miller The Million Dollar Quartet Charles Mingus Minor Threat Joni Mitchell Mobb Deep The Modern Lovers Thelonious Monk Marilyn Monroe Morphine Motörhead Neptunes Neu! Nico Harry Nilsson Nirvana Notorious B.I.G. Nujabes N.W.A. Laura Nyro Oasis Phil Ochs Oingo Boingo Ol' Dirty Bastard William Onyeabor Operation Ivy Roy Orbison Pantera Charlie Parker Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris and Linda Ronstadt Jai Paul Peter, Paul, and Mary Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers Pink Floyd The Police Elvis Presley Prince John Prine Prodigy The Prodigy Richard Pryor Purple Mountains
Queen Ramones Jay Reatard Otis Redding Lou Reed R.E.M. Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross Rilo Kiley Run-DMC Rush Arthur Russell Sam and Dave Gil Scott-Heron Selena Sex Pistols Ravi Shankar Silver Silver Jews Frank Sinatra Nina Simone Siouxsie and the Banshees Sly & the Family Stone Elliott Smith The Smiths Soul Coughing Soundgarden Spacemen 3 Sparklehorse Dusty Springfield The Stooges Sublime Suicide The Sugarcubes Donna Summer Sun Ra & His Arkestra The Supremes Talking Heads Talk Talk Temple Of The Dog Sister Rosetta Tharpe This Mortal Coil Thompson Twins Throbbing Gristle Til Tuesday Peter Tosh Traffic The Traveling Wilburys T Rex Tupac Tina Turner UGK Uncle Tupelo Townes Van Zandt Sarah Vaughan Stevie Ray Vaughn Velvet Underground The Verve Scott Walker Muddy Waters Andrew Weatherall Weather Report Westside Connection Barry White The White Stripes White Zombie Hank Williams Robin Williams Jackie Wilson Amy Winehouse Bill Withers Bobby Womack Women The Wrecking Crew XTC Frank Zappa Warren Zevon
Im in. Think 75 FAs is a little high but this will be very fun
It was originally 25/75 but Fred talked me into 20/75. That opened up an extra 125 free agents. Also, you don't have to use all of your spots. I think it'll be fine. Think of how many dead composers there are for people to draft!
Post by Larry Farnsworth on Oct 12, 2020 9:57:59 GMT -5
25 people seems like too many. I agree with whoever said fewer drafters makes more sense.
Also, question on eligibility - what about acts that lost original members, yet reformed and kept playing? Like, obviously the Who still play shows, but would the Who (with Keith Moon and John Entwhistle) be eligible? Same with Queen w/ Freddie Mercury, etc.
25 people seems like too many. I agree with whoever said fewer drafters makes more sense.
Also, question on eligibility - what about acts that lost original members, yet reformed and kept playing? Like, obviously the Who still play shows, but would the Who (with Keith Moon and John Entwhistle) be eligible? Same with Queen w/ Freddie Mercury, etc.
If they carry on under the same name, even if it's a bastardization of the original act, they are considered a continuity of the original act. So The Who would be out. Queen now performs as Queen + Adam Lambert so the original Queen would be eligible.
As far as the number of participants, interest seems low so I might cap it at 20 but I think that we're underestimating the number of dead people and inactive acts that there are in music history. Maybe I'm wrong and we'll have to update on the fly.
25 people seems like too many. I agree with whoever said fewer drafters makes more sense.
Also, question on eligibility - what about acts that lost original members, yet reformed and kept playing? Like, obviously the Who still play shows, but would the Who (with Keith Moon and John Entwhistle) be eligible? Same with Queen w/ Freddie Mercury, etc.
the way I'm reading rule 18, it seems like The Who would be out for sure, but isn't Queen usually booked as "Queen and Adam Lambert"? Or have they had any shows as just Queen in the last ten years?
And instead of saying all of your goodbyes - let them know you realize that life goes fast - It's hard to make the good things last-you realize the sun doesn't go down - It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning round
