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I'm not immediately feeling the time jump. I'm sure I'll come around though.
Yeah. I still haven't come around. I still enjoy the show. It's not the same though. As much ground has kind of been covered, I kind of feel like things have been rushed to wrap everything up this season.
Separate from my overall blah with the jump, it felt weird to me that Moss just left Barry alone all day to go set up a somewhat elaborate plot to get Cousineau in a room.
Lastly, related to what I said about trailers in the Succession thread, the one for next week is great. As vague as they have historically been for Barry, this one tells you exactly what is about to go down.
I'm glad I'm not alone here. This season has definitely had some highlights (already mentioned but Barry going through three or four podcasts to finally justify his actions was amazing) but I'm just not feeling it as much. I agree with you that it feels rushed and a little sloppy. Still holding out hope that the last episode will deliver
Post by 3post1jack1 on May 24, 2023 13:56:24 GMT -5
i am enjoying this season, but i also agree it feels rushed. i wonder how much that has to do with the episodes just being so short. i'm so used to shows in their final seasons really stretching out their episodes, but hader is keeping things regular sized here.
we'll see how it goes, but as it stands it feels like the show really peaked with the S3 finale, and everything this season is just a denouement. a very good and artful denouement, but a denouement nonetheless.
I wouldnt mind if the finale was maybe an extra 10 minutes long so it doesnt feel like theyre going to be resolving every single plot line every 5 minutes.
So everyone dies in Barry and nobody wins in Succession.'perfect Sunday night.
By far my favorite episode of the season. There’s the humor I’ve been missing all season. Hank hitting on the hit man was too good.
The time jump still feels completely unnecessary since we are going back to Barry killing anyway. Now he just has to kill for his wife and son instead of Fuches/Hank. Unlike Succession, this doesn’t have a ton of storylines to tie up so it should be fine.
So, what was point of Sally’s hallucinations again?
I don’t think they were hallucinations. She was just haunted by killing that guy, and she realized it would be a bad idea to draw attention from a cop. The cop’s bleeding eye or whatever was just the shows creative way of telling us that.
So, what was point of Sally’s hallucinations again?
I don’t think they were hallucinations. She was just haunted by killing that guy, and she realized it would be a bad idea to draw attention from a cop. The cop’s bleeding eye or whatever was just the shows creative way of telling us that.
What about the people that burglarized their house? Was that another hallucination? Didn’t the son experience something too?
So, what was point of Sally’s hallucinations again?
I don’t think they were hallucinations. She was just haunted by killing that guy, and she realized it would be a bad idea to draw attention from a cop. The cop’s bleeding eye or whatever was just the shows creative way of telling us that.
yeah I think they were just good old fashioned PTSD
Post by itrainmonkeys on May 30, 2023 22:36:38 GMT -5
Need to binge this as I'm not caught up. So I avoided posts here until I watch and can come back but had to post this here. Sorry if already posted but holy shit
I don't think it was bad, or uninteresting. The episode was compelling and as well-crafted as the show ever has been, but as impressed as I was that Hader and co. leaned away from every safe storytelling choice at basically every opportunity, I don't really know what the artistic intent of the finale is. What is the thematic conclusion we, as viewers, are supposed to draw here? I don't think these exquisitely acted and directed scenes concluding each characters' journeys tie together in any sort of cohesive way. I think Gene killing Barry is the right choice, and I think the movie is maybe the funniest part of the episode, but the rest of Gene's story doesn't track, for me. Jim Moss's arc and how it intersects with Gene and Barry doesn't really make sense. Albert not having any role at all in the final season feels weird. Hank dying was sad and ironic, but there's no reason for it to happen other than "well, Hank needs an ending." Fuches' arc this season is the only one that really works.
I know this makes me sound like I'm down on the show, and on the finale, but I'm not. With the exception of the first Oklahoma episode after the time jump, Barry was consistently a thrill to watch in a way that shows rarely are. And this episode was still that! But I found the finale disjointed and kind of...listless? Ultimately, in this episode, I don't think the show or the characters followed any of the relatively consistent internal logic of the previous 3+ seasons. I think maybe this could have been avoided if the pre-escape timeline was concluded more crisply and cleanly, and the time jump could have been more of the epilogue they seemed to want it to be. I think part of what is sticking in my head about this is that Barry tried to do something similar to what Better Call Saul did in its final stretch of episodes, but it didn't give itself enough time and space to thread the needles that needed threading. Not saying more than that because this is not the place for BCS spoilers, but if you've seen both, I think you can see the comparison I'm trying to make.
Anyway, that's enough rambling.
A-/B+ series, B/B- finale feels about right. It will neither go in the pantheon of great finales nor the Dexter Morgan "Memorial" Hall of Shame. And that's good enough.
Post by piggy pablo on Jun 19, 2023 17:58:50 GMT -5
My main read of what the ending (the movie) was about is how we as a country lionize military servicemembers to continue our willful ignorance of the effects of experiencing military combat and the inability of many veterans to reintegrate into society post-combat. And also broadly how bullshit Hollywood is and how it helps generate and distribute that kind of propaganda, to the detriment of veterans and American society.
My main read of what the ending (the movie) was about is how we as a country lionize military servicemembers to continue our willful ignorance of the effects of experiencing military combat and the inability of many veterans to reintegrate into society post-combat. And also broadly how bullshit Hollywood is and how it helps generate and distribute that kind of propaganda, to the detriment of veterans and American society.
That part I take no issue with. But that's not really all the ending is saying.
John's reaction to it doesn't make any sense. He reacts like this is the only version of his father's story he's ever heard. He reacts like he wasn't present for a shootout predicated on he and his mother were bait for his father, wherein she told him that his father was a muderer.
And the fact that he has to go see it, clandestinely, at his friend's place, tells me Sally has forbade him from seeing it, which means she, at least, has stayed out of the state of denial that dictated the lives and actions of basically every major character. So I don't see her backing down from making sure John - who incidentally is basically a plot device and not even a character - knows his father was not a hero.
Beyond that, I don't see how Gene gets found guilty for Janice's murder, for like, five different reasons (most of which involve Jim Moss turning from a grieving father into an indiscriminate torturer and kidnapper).
