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I started rewatching 30 Rock when I was isolating while having Covid and Liz Lemon has to be one of the greatest female characters ever written for television.
It's funny I feel like that show isn't even that old and even some jokes in it haven't aged well...
Post by trantsgiving on Mar 3, 2022 12:26:42 GMT -5
who is voting for Malcolm in the Middle already? It was a great depiction of a struggling working class family with enough cartoonish / goofy presentation to keep it light hearted.
Not to mention, Brian Cranston’s character is great
who is voting for Malcolm in the Middle already? It was a great depiction of a struggling working class family with enough cartoonish / goofy presentation to keep it light hearted.
I started rewatching 30 Rock when I was isolating while having Covid and Liz Lemon has to be one of the greatest female characters ever written for television.
It's funny I feel like that show isn't even that old and even some jokes in it haven't aged well...
Am I wrong for never liking 30 Rock? I watched during the block of NBC shows on at the time esp. Community and Parks but I ONLY liked Liz Lemon and the concierge guy. And I always felt like the Tracey Morgan stuff was supposed to be parody of how networks use black artists, but a lot of those jokes DO NOT LAND. I understand I'm in the minority about Baldwin's performance too, but it's like how I felt about the first season of the Office ...just for many many years.
who is voting for Malcolm in the Middle already? It was a great depiction of a struggling working class family with enough cartoonish / goofy presentation to keep it light hearted.
I did but I never really watched it.
you should give it a crack sometime. It’s not overly preachy but has good messages and representation.
I started rewatching 30 Rock when I was isolating while having Covid and Liz Lemon has to be one of the greatest female characters ever written for television.
It's funny I feel like that show isn't even that old and even some jokes in it haven't aged well...
Am I wrong for never liking 30 Rock? I watched during the block of NBC shows on at the time esp. Community and Parks but I ONLY liked Liz Lemon and the concierge guy. And I always felt like the Tracey Morgan stuff was supposed to be parody of how networks use black artists, but a lot of those jokes DO NOT LAND. I understand I'm in the minority about Baldwin's performance too, but it's like how I felt about the first season of the Office ...just for many many years.
You're totally right about Tracey Morgan's character... I think most people who watched that show felt the same way. I feel that way too, he doesn't do it for me...But literally every other character on that show kills me.
I started rewatching 30 Rock when I was isolating while having Covid and Liz Lemon has to be one of the greatest female characters ever written for television.
It's funny I feel like that show isn't even that old and even some jokes in it haven't aged well...
Am I wrong for never liking 30 Rock? I watched during the block of NBC shows on at the time esp. Community and Parks but I ONLY liked Liz Lemon and the concierge guy. And I always felt like the Tracey Morgan stuff was supposed to be parody of how networks use black artists, but a lot of those jokes DO NOT LAND. I understand I'm in the minority about Baldwin's performance too, but it's like how I felt about the first season of the Office ...just for many many years.
No you're totally right. A lot of Tina Fey's racial comedy (ok all of it) DOES NOT land and is highly indicative of a white writer's room (or steered by a white creator).
woah didn't even think about that. but is it weird that i don't think of VP as a sitcom? i know it technically is a sitcom, but i think of Veep more as prestige TV that's also hilarious.
who is voting for Malcolm in the Middle already? It was a great depiction of a struggling working class family with enough cartoonish / goofy presentation to keep it light hearted.
Not to mention, Brian Cranston’s character is great
These things are true. The casting on that show was so good, and the writing and the acting.
woah didn't even think about that. but is it weird that i don't think of VP as a sitcom? i know it technically is a sitcom, but i think of Veep more as prestige TV that's also hilarious.
Would you classify Curb the same way? I don't have an answer, I'm just thinking through this. For me personally, Veep is the best consistent laugh I've had from TV since Seinfeld.
Post by Jake Jortles on Mar 3, 2022 13:16:43 GMT -5
Curb is better than Seinfeld. Don't listen to any mental gymnastics from Potent trying to frame the restrictions of network TV as a point in Seinfeld's favor. If any human on earth watched the prime of both shows fresh today for the first time, they would take Curb by a mile.
Curb is better than Seinfeld. Don't listen to any mental gymnastics from Potent trying to frame the restrictions of network TV as a point in Seinfeld's favor. If any human on earth watched the prime of both shows fresh today for the first time, they would take Curb by a mile.
The thing about Curb is that they shouldn’t have done the last few seasons and it’s really hurt the whole thing for me. It was a show that we would watch at least once a year or so, but we were just talking in the last week about how neither of us really has much interest in watching any of it again at this point. It feels tedious, the same thing over and over. Now that I think about it, we haven’t even watched the most recent season. The two before that were enough to completely dull any interest we had in watching any more of it.
The last couple of seasons of Seinfeld weren’t stellar, but they were fine and they don’t just take the whole show down several notches like the last seasons of Curb have.
I started rewatching 30 Rock when I was isolating while having Covid and Liz Lemon has to be one of the greatest female characters ever written for television.
It's funny I feel like that show isn't even that old and even some jokes in it haven't aged well...
I started rewatching 30 Rock when I was isolating while having Covid and Liz Lemon has to be one of the greatest female characters ever written for television.
It's funny I feel like that show isn't even that old and even some jokes in it haven't aged well...
Am I wrong for never liking 30 Rock? I watched during the block of NBC shows on at the time esp. Community and Parks but I ONLY liked Liz Lemon and the concierge guy. And I always felt like the Tracey Morgan stuff was supposed to be parody of how networks use black artists, but a lot of those jokes DO NOT LAND. I understand I'm in the minority about Baldwin's performance too, but it's like how I felt about the first season of the Office ...just for many many years.
nobody is ever wrong for not thinking something is funny. fwiw i did not like 30 Rock when it aired. i went into it as a huge Tina Fey fan, but the show was just so goddamn fast, and the overall tone was comparatively much colder than it's sitcom contemporaries, that I had a difficult time connecting with it. i couldn't find the "heart" of the show, ideally you'd think it'd be Liz Lemon but her character was too damn silly. only when i watched the show in its entirety for the first time, which was gmaybe just 5 years ago or so, did I realize the "heart" of the show is the relationship between Jack and Liz. i was looking for a romance or a friendship, but instead it was this mentorship/life coach relationship between these two, which is something that makes 30 Rock unique.
beyond that on a sheer technical level it rivals Community for sitcom complexity. probably exceeds it honestly. just so many jokes, so many running jokes, so many callbacks, and with so many different characters. the achievement of it all kind of takes my breath away. i've never worked in movies or TV so i'm just talking out of my ass here, but from my perspective doing a show like 30 Rock appears much more challenging than any of the great hour long prestige dramas.
regarding tracy morgan, do not ever try to analyze his performance or the character of tracy jordan. it is unanalyzable, and will lead only to madness.
woah didn't even think about that. but is it weird that i don't think of VP as a sitcom? i know it technically is a sitcom, but i think of Veep more as prestige TV that's also hilarious.
Would you classify Curb the same way? I don't have an answer, I'm just thinking through this. For me personally, Veep is the best consistent laugh I've had from TV since Seinfeld.
curb feels more sitcommy to me than Veep, because nothing really happens in curb. it's just larry david kind of walking around and reacting to things.
and just typing that made me realize why Veep doesn't feel like a sitcom to me: it has kind of a big story rather than just being a "hang". like i know seinfeld was the "show about nothing", but really most traditional sitcoms are shows about nothing, mostly taking place in one or at most a few different locations: apartment, work, bar/coffee shop/restaurant.
again just my feelings, not saying my feelings are fact.
Decided to come up with a list for Shows That Are Always On At The Nursing Home Survivor so that I can quickly get that idea out of my head:
The Bold and the Beautiful CNN Deal or No Deal The Drew Barrymore Show Gunsmoke Hot Bench Judge Judy The Kelly Clarkson Show Leave It to Beaver Let’s Make a Deal Live With Regis and Kelly Martin Matlock Maury Meet the Browns The Parkers The Price Is Right Tamron Hall The View Wagon Train
Curb is better than Seinfeld. Don't listen to any mental gymnastics from Potent trying to frame the restrictions of network TV as a point in Seinfeld's favor. If any human on earth watched the prime of both shows fresh today for the first time, they would take Curb by a mile.
The thing about Curb is that they shouldn’t have done the last few seasons and it’s really hurt the whole thing for me. It was a show that we would watch at least once a year or so, but we were just talking in the last week about how neither of us really has much interest in watching any of it again at this point. It feels tedious, the same thing over and over. Now that I think about it, we haven’t even watched the most recent season. The two before that were enough to completely dull any interest we had in watching any more of it.
The last couple of seasons of Seinfeld weren’t stellar, but they were fine and they don’t just take the whole show down several notches like the last seasons of Curb have.
If the way you think about it is to compare the worst of each show, then I get that. I haven't even liked Curb since the first half of Season 8 and have a lot of theories about what went wrong. But for me, Curb could release 20 more terrible seasons and it wouldn't change the way I feel about those first 7-8 seasons. I look at artists discogs the same way. Kanye could release 20 shitty albums in a row from here and it doesn't change the fact that he already released more quality shit than basically any other artist.
The way I think about shit is to compare primes though because ultimately I want to know the amount of total value I got out of a show / artists / etc. And to me Curbs prime is so much more funny than Seinfelds and it isn't close.
who is voting for Malcolm in the Middle already? It was a great depiction of a struggling working class family with enough cartoonish / goofy presentation to keep it light hearted.
Not to mention, Brian Cranston’s character is great
These things are true. The casting on that show was so good, and the writing and the acting.
truly underrated
It shouldn’t be top 5 or anything, but like a #10-12 finish and I am happy
The thing about Curb is that they shouldn’t have done the last few seasons and it’s really hurt the whole thing for me. It was a show that we would watch at least once a year or so, but we were just talking in the last week about how neither of us really has much interest in watching any of it again at this point. It feels tedious, the same thing over and over. Now that I think about it, we haven’t even watched the most recent season. The two before that were enough to completely dull any interest we had in watching any more of it.
The last couple of seasons of Seinfeld weren’t stellar, but they were fine and they don’t just take the whole show down several notches like the last seasons of Curb have.
If the way you think about it is to compare the worst of each show, then I get that. I haven't even liked Curb since the first half of Season 8 and have a lot of theories about what went wrong. But for me, Curb could release 20 more terrible seasons and it wouldn't change the way I feel about those first 7-8 seasons. I look at artists discogs the same way. Kanye could release 20 shitty albums in a row from here and it doesn't change the fact that he already released more quality shit than basically any other artist.
The way I think about shit is to compare primes though because ultimately I want to know the amount of total value I got out of a show / artists / etc. And to me Curbs prime is so much more funny than Seinfelds and it isn't close.
What's your favorite episode of Seinfeld, so I can tell how seriously to take you?
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