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like crushed velvet is a fine song, but there were a tonnn of people yelling the lyrics at Mohawk that it surprised me, and then he's opening for Florence the next year
This thread will end up being just as accurate as the last one was, which comes out to about 5%.
Like Turnstile. They're great and all but give me a fucking break, they're not headlining any major festivals unless they shift even further away from hardcore.
I’m guessing you don’t live in a city with an alternative radio station that plays Turnstile every hour?
This thread will end up being just as accurate as the last one was, which comes out to about 5%.
Like Turnstile. They're great and all but give me a fucking break, they're not headlining any major festivals unless they shift even further away from hardcore.
Exactly. It's not about how big the band is getting, but how big their sound is getting. Tame Impala got there because they were head and shoulders at the top of the genre they helped get into mainstream appeal. With how critically acclaimed pop music is nowadays (Billie Eillish, Harry Styles, Olivia Rodrigio), it's going to be someone in that genre or, of course, hip hop. King Gizz? Big Thief? Yves Tumor?? Not happening.
It seems like we may be starting to see a shift back towards rock with the emo nostalgia movement. A lot of fests moved back towards rock this year (although many also finally fully embraced pop).
The question is who is going to carry on the rock torch after Tame Impala (who followed Vampire Weekend and Arctic Monkeys). I sure hope it’s not just MGK. Or will we just get Paramore and My Chemical Romance taking those headlining sets.
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This thread will end up being just as accurate as the last one was, which comes out to about 5%.
Like Turnstile. They're great and all but give me a fucking break, they're not headlining any major festivals unless they shift even further away from hardcore.
I’m guessing you don’t live in a city with an alternative radio station that plays Turnstile every hour?
They’re mainstream hardcore, whether that’s what they set out to produce or not.
They made their album and it was never intended to be "mainstream". How does a band thats been around for 10 years suddenly just say "hey, we need to make money, so lets soften things up" and poof. Radio and critics powered this and then found a way to put it on play. Npr place them on tinydesk was like the peak of it.
Exactly. It's not about how big the band is getting, but how big their sound is getting. Tame Impala got there because they were head and shoulders at the top of the genre they helped get into mainstream appeal. With how critically acclaimed pop music is nowadays (Billie Eillish, Harry Styles, Olivia Rodrigio), it's going to be someone in that genre or, of course, hip hop. King Gizz? Big Thief? Yves Tumor?? Not happening.
It seems like we may be starting to see a shift back towards rock with the emo nostalgia movement. A lot of fests moved back towards rock this year (although many also finally fully embraced pop).
The question is who is going to carry on the rock torch after Tame Impala (who followed Vampire Weekend and Arctic Monkeys). I sure hope it’s not just MGK. Or will we just get Paramore and My Chemical Romance taking those headlining sets.
I question how long this emo revival is actually going to last though. I don’t see it lasting long enough to produce new headliners. As for a Tame Impala torchbearer, I think artists like Phoebe Bridgers, Mitski and Japanese Breakfast (maybe Wallows too) may have the best chance but realistically I think it’s more likely that we don’t see a rock artist get to that status for a while.
Post by TickleMeElmo on May 23, 2022 16:06:26 GMT -5
But I’ll throw one more name into the ring I haven’t seen mentioned yet: Rex Orange County. If he were to release a big radio song or two somehow, I could see him get some consideration as a headliner.
I meannn Idles and Turnstile are being billed #16 and #17 at Lolla. That is.. something?
Jazmine Sullivan being billed that high out of nowhere is a big one tho?
Jazmine Sullivan wasn’t really out of nowhere considering Heaux Tales was kinda big for her.
But being immediately billed 'that' high? She used to play small, local fests? It feels a bit like SZA. Can she do 'it' again to really move her up the ranks is the question tho.
But I’ll throw one more name into the ring I haven’t seen mentioned yet: Rex Orange County. If he were to release a big radio song or two somehow, I could see him get some consideration as a headliner.
Speaking of vanilla acts, what happend to Khalid tho? He used to be everywhere for a while?
Exactly. It's not about how big the band is getting, but how big their sound is getting. Tame Impala got there because they were head and shoulders at the top of the genre they helped get into mainstream appeal. With how critically acclaimed pop music is nowadays (Billie Eillish, Harry Styles, Olivia Rodrigio), it's going to be someone in that genre or, of course, hip hop. King Gizz? Big Thief? Yves Tumor?? Not happening.
It seems like we may be starting to see a shift back towards rock with the emo nostalgia movement. A lot of fests moved back towards rock this year (although many also finally fully embraced pop).
The question is who is going to carry on the rock torch after Tame Impala (who followed Vampire Weekend and Arctic Monkeys). I sure hope it’s not just MGK. Or will we just get Paramore and My Chemical Romance taking those headlining sets.
Are we really seeing a shift towards rock or is it just nostalgia? If it's a shift towards rock, Riot Fest should have sold out already by now. If you go back the past 5 years, the 'new' headliners have all been pop or hip hop (Travis Scott, Billie, Harry, DaBaby). While the rock headliners have all been legacy acts (Green Day, Metallica, Foo Fighters). Going by this record, fests will go by proven nostalgic rock acts like the Paramore and MCR's to be safe.
It seems like we may be starting to see a shift back towards rock with the emo nostalgia movement. A lot of fests moved back towards rock this year (although many also finally fully embraced pop).
The question is who is going to carry on the rock torch after Tame Impala (who followed Vampire Weekend and Arctic Monkeys). I sure hope it’s not just MGK. Or will we just get Paramore and My Chemical Romance taking those headlining sets.
Are we really seeing a shift towards rock or is it just nostalgia? If it's a shift towards rock, Riot Fest should have sold out already by now. If you go back the past 5 years, the 'new' headliners have all been pop or hip hop (Travis Scott, Billie, Harry, DaBaby). While the rock headliners have all been legacy acts (Green Day, Metallica, Foo Fighters). Going by this record, fests will go by proven nostalgic rock acts like the Paramore and MCR's to be safe.
It’s a mix. Riot Fest has never done a great job of booking the most currently relevant, popular acts in its genres, opting instead for nostalgia targeted to middle aged music fans. Just this year Phoebe Bridgers, Turnstile, Idles, Pup, Fontaines DC, the Interrupters, King Gizzard were all missed. (They’re all instead making the other festival rounds. MGK did play last year, to their credit. And Pup was booked at one point recently.)
Perry has claimed he’s making sure Lolla sees more of a return to its rock roots. Outside of headliners, Coachella booked a great alt rock lineup. Music Midtown, Firefly are both putting more rock acts on their lineups.
Newer artists are starting to show their influence by the older emo, alternative, and rock icons. Example: Olivia Rodrigo and Paramore. Hell, even Pavement was trending on TikTok recently. I feel like over the pandemic, a lot of these newer artists channeled their best lo fi to keep putting out music, and now we’re seeing that influence back in music.
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Post by setlistvulture on May 23, 2022 18:26:31 GMT -5
This is totally out of left field, but I think TV On The Radio will headline the pitchforks, desert dazes Just Like Heavens of the world if they come back. Since satellite radio started there DEI initiative they have been one of the postern children for it. I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if like Riot Fest took a chance on them. Obviously not the Lollas or Coachellas of the world, but smaller and more creative mid tier fest I think would get them.
I agree in general there aren't any new Alt or Rock bands that are gonna take the step for big festivals unless you count Olivia Rodrigo as alt. Panic at the Disco headlined firefly a few years ago and to my knowledge hasn't headlined any of the other big fests, but they are more than capable of putting on a crowd pleasing show even if it isn't up to snuff for many on here. Also imo I don't like them, but Weezer would be a great headliner.
he/they '12 - Firefly '13 - Firefly, Made In America '14 - Firefly, Made In America '15 - Mountain Jam (Sunday), Firefly, Pitchfork, Made In America '16 - Boston Calling, Firefly, Osheaga, Made In America, Roots Picnic NYC '17 - Boston Calling, Gov Ball, Firefly (Sunday), Pitchfork, Day For Night '18 - Boston Calling, Mountain Jam, Osheaga '19 - Form, Firefly (Sunday) '22 - Boston Calling, Firefly '24 - Solid Sound, Soundside
Post by braundiggity on May 24, 2022 10:58:56 GMT -5
On the basis of performance alone, I could see Rina Sawayama headlining one day. She'll definitely need more mainstream hits, but she already commands the stage like a headliner. I think it's more likely she ends up in a Janelle Monae zone, though - close but no cigar.
Japanese Breakfast insane rise is making me think she's next in line too. Future screenwriter for the movie best on her own best selling book and now included in Time's Most Influential People of 2022. I can see her subbing at Coachella next album release especially if someone like A24 picks up her movie (very likely).
Japanese Breakfast insane rise is making me think she's next in line too. Future screenwriter for the movie best on her own best selling book and now included in Time's Most Influential People of 2022. I can see her subbing at Coachella next album release especially if someone like A24 picks up her movie (very likely).
That would make me so happy, but I would be so surprised. I think her big big problem will be that she had to so dome serious vocal work. Go watch videos of Be Sweet from the beginning of this cycle and then watch them now. She doesn't sing properly, so she has to keep changing how she hits the high notes in that one, and there are other tracks that have the same problem. I've also never seen a JBrekkie set longer than an hour and change, and that change is because Michelle talks A LOT, and while its frequently great banter I question her ability to physically fill a headline set without trashing her vocal chords even more. I hope I am wrong !
he/they '12 - Firefly '13 - Firefly, Made In America '14 - Firefly, Made In America '15 - Mountain Jam (Sunday), Firefly, Pitchfork, Made In America '16 - Boston Calling, Firefly, Osheaga, Made In America, Roots Picnic NYC '17 - Boston Calling, Gov Ball, Firefly (Sunday), Pitchfork, Day For Night '18 - Boston Calling, Mountain Jam, Osheaga '19 - Form, Firefly (Sunday) '22 - Boston Calling, Firefly '24 - Solid Sound, Soundside
Post by Ambassador Of Fun on May 24, 2022 12:02:17 GMT -5
There will be no more new headliners. J. Cole will headline every major festival for the remainder of his life. When J. Cole inevitably passes on to the great beyond, there will be no more festivals.
Japanese Breakfast insane rise is making me think she's next in line too. Future screenwriter for the movie best on her own best selling book and now included in Time's Most Influential People of 2022. I can see her subbing at Coachella next album release especially if someone like A24 picks up her movie (very likely).
That would make me so happy, but I would be so surprised. I think her big big problem will be that she had to so dome serious vocal work. Go watch videos of Be Sweet from the beginning of this cycle and then watch them now. She doesn't sing properly, so she has to keep changing how she hits the high notes in that one, and there are other tracks that have the same problem. I've also never seen a JBrekkie set longer than an hour and change, and that change is because Michelle talks A LOT, and while its frequently great banter I question her ability to physically fill a headline set without trashing her vocal chords even more. I hope I am wrong !
I saw her in September and at Coachella and she sounded great both times. I think the nature of her vocals is such that recordings/webstreams make it sound bad, but live it's been consistently great for me.
That said I can't see her headlining a major fest. If Be Sweet could only manage 22m listens, it's hard to imagine what kind of song might help her break through to even subbing level.
That would make me so happy, but I would be so surprised. I think her big big problem will be that she had to so dome serious vocal work. Go watch videos of Be Sweet from the beginning of this cycle and then watch them now. She doesn't sing properly, so she has to keep changing how she hits the high notes in that one, and there are other tracks that have the same problem. I've also never seen a JBrekkie set longer than an hour and change, and that change is because Michelle talks A LOT, and while its frequently great banter I question her ability to physically fill a headline set without trashing her vocal chords even more. I hope I am wrong !
That said I can't see her headlining a major fest. If Be Sweet could only manage 22m listens, it's hard to imagine what kind of song might help her break through to even subbing level.
If we are going off just this metric, literally no artist is going to break through then. Unless it's a new pop star that is making the rounds on Tik Tok (*cough*Olivia*cough*). Turnstile has been around for 10 years and can't even match JBrekkie's numbers yet everyone is certain they are next. Japanese Breakfast has been able to flirt with both the indie and pop world which seems to be a must if you're a rock act trying to break big. Phoebe has nearly 3x the numbers as her and still hasn't broke through to the very top but seems next in line. It just takes time.
Has Lana Del Rey headlined any major fests yet? There are a lot of artists influenced by LDR being mentioned in this thread, but I’m not even sure LDR has consistently broken through to that headline level, surprisingly.
That said I can't see her headlining a major fest. If Be Sweet could only manage 22m listens, it's hard to imagine what kind of song might help her break through to even subbing level.
If we are going off just this metric, literally no artist is going to break through then. Unless it's a new pop star that is making the rounds on Tik Tok (*cough*Olivia*cough*). Turnstile has been around for 10 years and can't even match JBrekkie's numbers yet everyone is certain they are next. Japanese Breakfast has been able to flirt with both the indie and pop world which seems to be a must if you're a rock act trying to break big. Phoebe has nearly 3x the numbers as her and still hasn't broke through to the very top but seems next in line. It just takes time.
I mean, yes, I kind of think this is the case? Pop music is in a weird place right now where artists either blow up to the extreme quickly (billie/olivia) or grow nicely and then hit a wall playing venues of around 8,000 people. Look back at the last handful of Coachella's and the Phoebe/JBrekky type acts -- Janelle Monae, Solange, HAIM, the XX, Bon Iver, Father John Misty, The War on Drugs, Fleet Foxes...these are acts that I think 5-10 years ago would've been on the "eventual headliner" list but they're all looking like acts that have peaked at that 8k venue size (maybe a brief foray into arenas, but brief). It's really, really tough for acts like that to end up having songs with 100m listens.
Until there's a fundamental shift in what kind of music is popular (and I think the emo revival and increasing focus on rock from pop acts like Olivia Rodrigo, Harry Styles, and to a much lesser extent Rina Sawayama could drive that shift), the only acts that I can envision getting to a headliner level who aren't there already are acts that blow up overnight and hip hop acts (which still blow up quite quickly, a la Baby Keem).
People have shorter attention spans than ever and discoverability is a real challenge in the streaming era. The days of slowly building a huge following over 3-5 albums are dwindling.
I’m now starting to think even the pop punk revival thing is a bit overblown. I can’t think of a single pop punk single that’s made it into the top 10 following Olivia Rodrigo’s breakthrough. Top 40 radio is just “Heat Waves” and “Big Energy” and “First Class” and the same Dua/Weeknd/Harry songs cycled in and out over and over again. In the short term, Jack Harlow is the most obvious answer to this question.
