Whether it's your first Bonnaroo or you’re a music festival veteran, we welcome you to Inforoo.
Here you'll find info about artists, rumors, camping tips, and the infamous Roo Clues. Have a look around then create an account and join in the fun. See you at Bonnaroo!!
Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
UPCOMING SHOWS 11/21 - Caribou @ Avant Gardner 11/23 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center 11/25 - TV on the Radio @ Webster Hall 12/5 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center 12/7 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center 12/14 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center
So y’all are cool with fungus taking over people’s brains but seeing a giraffe in a city goes too far? OK cool cool.
Considering we met a group of cannibals, it’s hard to believe a dozen massive ass giraffes would actual survive in a major city where people are clearly still living…But they gotta duplicate those cut scenes.
In TLOU2, the introduction of Abby’s dad shows him taking care of a wild animal on some barbed wire. He clearly cares for the animal and its offspring. Then in the aquarium, Owen has it painted to look like SLC with animals present. The fireflies have been set up there for awhile so likely with Abby’s dad request, they were ok with not killing the giraffes for food.
Also, the infected don’t eat in the show as they do in the game. Maybe that’ll change, who knows.
In TLOU2, the introduction of Abby’s dad shows him taking care of a wild animal on some barbed wire. He clearly cares for the animal and its offspring. Then in the aquarium, Owen has it painted to look like SLC with animals present. The fireflies have been set up there for awhile so likely with Abby’s dad request, they were ok with not killing the giraffes for food.
Also, the infected don’t eat in the show as they do in the game. Maybe that’ll change, who knows.
THANK GOD THEY EXPLAINED THIS VERY IMPORTANT PLOT POINT
Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
UPCOMING SHOWS 11/21 - Caribou @ Avant Gardner 11/23 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center 11/25 - TV on the Radio @ Webster Hall 12/5 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center 12/7 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center 12/14 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center
In TLOU2, the introduction of Abby’s dad shows him taking care of a wild animal on some barbed wire. He clearly cares for the animal and its offspring. Then in the aquarium, Owen has it painted to look like SLC with animals present. The fireflies have been set up there for awhile so likely with Abby’s dad request, they were ok with not killing the giraffes for food.
Also, the infected don’t eat in the show as they do in the game. Maybe that’ll change, who knows.
THANK GOD THEY EXPLAINED THIS VERY IMPORTANT PLOT POINT
They spent a whole episode demonstrating there’s hardly any food because people are eating each other then one episode later we have literal tons of meat fit for consumption.
Last Edit: Mar 13, 2023 14:54:11 GMT -5 by ZIG - Back to Top
Post by man1cpixiedreamgirl on Mar 13, 2023 15:01:25 GMT -5
Still thinking how I would’ve done the same thing if I were Joel. I’m too selfish for dystopian decisions.
Not that this was his thinking at all, but like there’s no way they would’ve had a cure from one specimen with whatever 2003 tech / knowledge they could gather. I saw a tiktok about that and it made a ton of sense. Would’ve been for nothing.
THANK GOD THEY EXPLAINED THIS VERY IMPORTANT PLOT POINT
They spent a whole episode demonstrating there’s hardly any food because people are eating each other then one episode later we have literal tons of meat fit for consumption.
Yes, in that one particular group in that one particular location led by that one particular psychopath, people were resorting to eating each other because there wasn't enough food. Who's to say they might not have fared better with better/less murderous leadership? Just before crossing paths with David & Co., Joel and Ellie were in a commune with crops and livestock. We see vegetation everywhere. There are lots of reasons folks in SLC might not have resorted to eating a giraffe, but do we really need the show spending time spelling that out? Does that matter at all to Joel and Ellie's journey, or the journeys of the primary supporting characters around them?
To each their own, I guess; I just feel like, if we want to get this granular with it, we could find "plot holes" like this in literally everything ever made, especially in genre stuff. There are a million reasons a giraffe could still be alive in Salt Lake City, none of which, IMO, merit spending episode run time on. At the end of the day, it's a nice little scene that moves the two main characters' emotional arcs forward,, which is the necessary and important part, not an explainer as to the lives of previously captive animals in a post-cordyceps world.
Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
UPCOMING SHOWS 11/21 - Caribou @ Avant Gardner 11/23 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center 11/25 - TV on the Radio @ Webster Hall 12/5 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center 12/7 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center 12/14 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center
So y’all are cool with fungus taking over people’s brains but seeing a giraffe in a city goes too far? OK cool cool.
I haven’t thought long at all about the giraffes, but cmon.. this is a completely unfair line of logic and Im really surprised the post has likes on it. I know that’s mean of me but it indicates that a lot of people actually find this point useful.
Once a light saber appears in Star Wars doesn’t excuse every possible plot hole, lack of logic / reason, etc that could ever happen after that. In fantasy, sci/fi, horror, etc movies there are rules of the world established. People used to always use this line when it came to game of thrones like “omg there are dragons in this show and you have a problem believing that xyz non-sensical plot hole exists?! Yes. Unironically.
The last of us, as far as I can tell, is real life but if a zombie breakout occurred. So I accept the zombies in a story about zombies. Because I accept the zombies does not mean that I’d be ok with Joel achieving human flight with Ellie in his arms to bring her back to Tommy at the end of the episode without an explanation. Again I haven’t thought about the giraffes, but if they don’t make sense, it’s a fair (probably not too significant) knock on the show. If it does make sense, or it eventually makes sense, then it isn’t, but that shouldn’t be the case only because we’ve accepted the premise of zombies existing.
As someone pointed out, there is an in-world explanation for why the giraffes would be living and thriving. The show just didn't give it to us (yet?).
Definitely wanted to clear up that my thing isn’t about whether or not it’s a plot hole in the first place. Just that zombies existing in the show shouldn’t automatically excuse other unrelated inconsistencies as Elmo was suggesting.
Post by Jake Jortles on Mar 13, 2023 17:58:54 GMT -5
All that said I think this was my second favorite ep of the season behind 3. The Joel murder spree was awesome. Isn’t there a famous moral quandary about whether or not you’d change a trains course to kill one person instead of 5 or something like that?
I’m not out here searching for plot holes but one thing that was confusing to me that I’m probably misremembering… wasn’t Marlene the one who sent Ellie with Joel and Tess to find this hospital? But she was already going there anyways and beat Joel there? I’m almost certain I’m just forgetting something key that would explain why she didn’t just take Ellie herself.
I like that they didn’t leave it on a cliff hanger.
As someone pointed out, there is an in-world explanation for why the giraffes would be living and thriving. The show just didn't give it to us (yet?).
And if that’s the case, great. But all the diehards in here can’t take any sort of criticism from someone that is simply looking for a great tv show. They wave any criticism away as “they did a great job DUPLICATING a game scene” so it’s canon.
The idea that Joel and Ellie can stumble upon a herd of giraffes and be happy about it but it’s illogical that someone bad would also stumble across them over the course of 20 years and act differently is beyond stupid.
Also, they made tons of effort showing and telling how the commune stayed safe from outsiders: extremely secluded, security, literally killing people, etc. none of which has been introduced for the Giraffes. If Giraffes are super important and will be explained more, that’s all that needs to be said.
But the fact so many people get butthurt about anything contrary to “best show ever” is laughable. We’ve had plenty of detailed constructive criticism and disco on other recent prestige shows, GOT, HOTD, RoP, etc. Only 1 show, TLOU is beyond criticism…
As someone pointed out, there is an in-world explanation for why the giraffes would be living and thriving. The show just didn't give it to us (yet?).
And if that’s the case, great. But all the diehards in here can’t take any sort of criticism from someone that is simply looking for a great tv show. They wave any criticism away as “they did a great job DUPLICATING a game scene” so it’s canon.
The idea that Joel and Ellie can stumble upon a herd of giraffes and be happy about it but it’s illogical that someone bad would also stumble across them over the course of 20 years and act differently is beyond stupid.
Also, they made tons of effort showing and telling how the commune stayed safe from outsiders: extremely secluded, security, literally killing people, etc. none of which has been introduced for the Giraffes. If Giraffes are super important and will be explained more, that’s all that needs to be said.
But the fact so many people get butthurt about anything contrary to “best show ever” is laughable. We’ve had plenty of detailed constructive criticism and disco on other recent prestige shows, GOT, HOTD, RoP, etc. Only 1 show, TLOU is beyond criticism…
Easy, big fella. I don't think anyone's butt is hurt. You want disco, this is disco, you know?
I absolutely don't have a problem with criticism of the show; I certainly have my own criticisms. I just..."Why are there giraffes?" strikes me as a nitpick, and I guess I will cop to that the need to have an ironclad, top-to-bottom explanation explicitly stated for us for every single thing that we see or that happens in shows and movies is a phenomenon that rubs me the wrong way.
Like, for example: In The Empire Strikes Back, Luke is attacked by a wampa. It's obviously carnivorous, because we see it chowing down on his tauntaun when he wakes up. But we also see that Hoth is a desolate, lifeless world on the whole. Luke and other Rebels are shown traversing great distances without seeing a single other living thing, not to mention any plants.
So, when we see that scene, do we need to know the food chain that allows a large, meat-eating predator like the wampa to survive and thrive on Hoth? Do we sit there and go, "Ugh, there's no way a meat-eating, warm-blooded mammal could survive in that environment with no obvious source of food, or source of food for its food?" Or do we just accept that it's a cool fucking scene with a snow monster so we can see Luke overcome some peril, be shown that he's a bit better at the Force now than he was in the first movie, and hear from Obi-Wan about what the next step in Luke's journey is?
Same here. Why are there giraffes? Because. Because it tells us something about the world (it's not just the bad nature surviving), it helps develop Joel and Ellie's characters, and it's a nice little moment of beauty and ease before a tense and dark as fuck climax. That's all it has to be. I could sit here and come up with 15 headcanon stories about why giraffes in Salt Lake City didn't fall prey enough to the perils of the world in which the show takes place to not be around when Joel and Ellie get there, why whatever starving people there were either passed them up or missed out on the chance to eat them, or whatever, and none of them would be all that far-fetched.
But would the show be better for explaining it? To me, no, and I think asking storytellers to be that comprehensive is detrimental to good storytelling. That's all I'm trying to say, and as I said in my previous post, to each their own, ultimately.
Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
UPCOMING SHOWS 11/21 - Caribou @ Avant Gardner 11/23 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center 11/25 - TV on the Radio @ Webster Hall 12/5 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center 12/7 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center 12/14 - LCD Soundsystem @ Knockdown Center
Once a light saber appears in Star Wars doesn’t excuse every possible plot hole, lack of logic / reason, etc that could ever happen after that. In fantasy, sci/fi, horror, etc movies there are rules of the world established. People used to always use this line when it came to game of thrones like “omg there are dragons in this show and you have a problem believing that xyz non-sensical plot hole exists?! Yes. Unironically.
The last of us, as far as I can tell, is real life but if a zombie breakout occurred. So I accept the zombies in a story about zombies. Because I accept the zombies does not mean that I’d be ok with Joel achieving human flight with Ellie in his arms to bring her back to Tommy at the end of the episode without an explanation. Again I haven’t thought about the giraffes, but if they don’t make sense, it’s a fair (probably not too significant) knock on the show. If it does make sense, or it eventually makes sense, then it isn’t, but that shouldn’t be the case only because we’ve accepted the premise of zombies existing.
OK hold up, you argue that seeing a wild giraffe is too illogical in a post-civilized world...
But Joel single-handedly mowing down an entire Firefly camp is just "awesome"? If anything, THAT is the bigger jump in logic for me lol. When I was watching the episode thinking maybe the giraffes would struggle to survive during the winter but I also thought Joel obliterating the Fireflies without a scratch was pretty bullshit. Neither of those reflected negatively on my thoughts of the episode though.
I’m not out here searching for plot holes but one thing that was confusing to me that I’m probably misremembering… wasn’t Marlene the one who sent Ellie with Joel and Tess to find this hospital? But she was already going there anyways and beat Joel there? I’m almost certain I’m just forgetting something key that would explain why she didn’t just take Ellie herself.
Not quite. Marlene asked them to take Ellie to the Firefly group outside the city in exchange for supplies, then Tess asked Joel as her dying wish to take Ellie to the Bill and Frank when they found that group wiped out. Once they found out Bill and Frank were gone too, they went to go find Tommy who was the only person Joel knew had any idea about the Fireflies' whereabouts. Tommy told them to go to a university which was also abandoned leaving a map pointing to a hospital in SLC. Since Joel and Ellie didn't go straight to the hospital, it's pretty reasonable Marlene would've gotten there first.
As someone pointed out, there is an in-world explanation for why the giraffes would be living and thriving. The show just didn't give it to us (yet?).
And if that’s the case, great. But all the diehards in here can’t take any sort of criticism from someone that is simply looking for a great tv show. They wave any criticism away as “they did a great job DUPLICATING a game scene” so it’s canon.
I'm sure that's the case with some but in this instance I was just basically saying that there's a reason they are able to survive/not be eaten right away like some would assume. Not upset at people pointing out criticisms or not knowing where something is going or why it happened (if it hasn't been revealed).
When I played the first game I also thought "Weird....giraffes here?" but didn't think much about it. Post apocalyptic worlds change over time so I just shrugged it off. It's not some huge plot point or relevant to the series overall. Just a minor thing.
Though, if it were me nitpicking, I'd definitely be pointing out how miraculous and borderline unbelievable Joel surviving his wounds and fighting off a bunch of dudes was previously. That makes you think he's a superhero lol
Once a light saber appears in Star Wars doesn’t excuse every possible plot hole, lack of logic / reason, etc that could ever happen after that. In fantasy, sci/fi, horror, etc movies there are rules of the world established. People used to always use this line when it came to game of thrones like “omg there are dragons in this show and you have a problem believing that xyz non-sensical plot hole exists?! Yes. Unironically.
The last of us, as far as I can tell, is real life but if a zombie breakout occurred. So I accept the zombies in a story about zombies. Because I accept the zombies does not mean that I’d be ok with Joel achieving human flight with Ellie in his arms to bring her back to Tommy at the end of the episode without an explanation. Again I haven’t thought about the giraffes, but if they don’t make sense, it’s a fair (probably not too significant) knock on the show. If it does make sense, or it eventually makes sense, then it isn’t, but that shouldn’t be the case only because we’ve accepted the premise of zombies existing.
OK hold up, you argue that seeing a wild giraffe is too illogical in a post-civilized world...
But Joel single-handedly mowing down an entire Firefly camp is just "awesome"? If anything, THAT is the bigger jump in logic for me lol. When I was watching the episode thinking maybe the giraffes would struggle to survive during the winter but I also thought Joel obliterating the Fireflies without a scratch was pretty bullshit. Neither of those reflected negatively on my thoughts of the episode though.
I’m not out here searching for plot holes but one thing that was confusing to me that I’m probably misremembering… wasn’t Marlene the one who sent Ellie with Joel and Tess to find this hospital? But she was already going there anyways and beat Joel there? I’m almost certain I’m just forgetting something key that would explain why she didn’t just take Ellie herself.
Not quite. Marlene asked them to take Ellie to the Firefly group outside the city in exchange for supplies, then Tess asked Joel as her dying wish to take Ellie to the Bill and Frank when they found that group wiped out. Once they found out Bill and Frank were gone too, they went to go find Tommy who was the only person Joel knew had any idea about the Fireflies' whereabouts. Tommy told them to go to a university which was also abandoned leaving a map pointing to a hospital in SLC. Since Joel and Ellie didn't go straight to the hospital, it's pretty reasonable Marlene would've gotten there first.
Please note my specific mentions of not caring about or even thinking about the specific giraffe example. You’re looking for outs here with whatsboutisms and shit and not engaging with my point.
Post by TickleMeElmo on Mar 13, 2023 19:27:04 GMT -5
It's all really just about things that take people out of the immersion of the show. Plot holes and other illogical things don't bother me much and I don't think any of these things are ruining the show for us, it's mostly just dumb little fun stuff to talk about.
Post by g a b f r a b on Mar 13, 2023 19:32:08 GMT -5
I'm not supposed to reveal this to those outside the faith but I can't stand the fighting. The Angel Moroni revealed to Joseph Smith visions of a giraffe deep throating a herd of elephants. Smith was so turned on he wrote into the Book of Mormon that giraffes are fit for harems but not for food. Hence giraffes alive and well in SLC.
Can someone who has played the game explain to me further why Marlene didn't just take Ellie with her if she was going West anyway?
EDIT: Actually no this wasn't really answered... Why didn't Marlene just take Ellie with her??
The short version as I remember it was that, between her injury and the heat on her from FEDRA, Marlene did not expect to actually make it across the country. Given this, she wanted to put Ellie somewhere else to give her a better chance of making it.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Mar 14, 2023 13:23:42 GMT -5
Just finished last night after binging the season in a week. Don’t really have a take on The Giraffe specifically, but my wife and I spent lots of time talking about how there weren’t more animals everywhere. The world should have been overrun with deer and rats and shit. One community stuck in the mountains in the winter might have to resort to cannibalism (although that’s a bit of a stretch), but wild animals and wolf attacks and such should have been a bigger issue crossing the entire US.
Can someone who has played the game explain to me further why Marlene didn't just take Ellie with her if she was going West anyway?
EDIT: Actually no this wasn't really answered... Why didn't Marlene just take Ellie with her??
The short version as I remember it was that, between her injury and the heat on her from FEDRA, Marlene did not expect to actually make it across the country. Given this, she wanted to put Ellie somewhere else to give her a better chance of making it.
Ya she had been planning to go, but then she got shot and all her dudes got killed so she no longer had the posse to escort her and wasn’t sure could make it herself.
Just finished last night after binging the season in a week. Don’t really have a take on The Giraffe specifically, but my wife and I spent lots of time talking about how there weren’t more animals everywhere. The world should have been overrun with deer and rats and shit. One community stuck in the mountains in the winter might have to resort to cannibalism (although that’s a bit of a stretch), but wild animals and wolf attacks and such should have been a bigger issue crossing the entire US.
I wanted to know if animals were targeted by cordyceps, also. I need a handbook on logistics here.
Just finished last night after binging the season in a week. Don’t really have a take on The Giraffe specifically, but my wife and I spent lots of time talking about how there weren’t more animals everywhere. The world should have been overrun with deer and rats and shit. One community stuck in the mountains in the winter might have to resort to cannibalism (although that’s a bit of a stretch), but wild animals and wolf attacks and such should have been a bigger issue crossing the entire US.
I wanted to know if animals were targeted by cordyceps, also. I need a handbook on logistics here.
It’s specific to the hosts it’s targeting. So it’s not really adaptable to other creatures.
/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/57846439/harley.0.0.jpg)
