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Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
UPCOMING SHOWS 5/14 - Neil Young & Crazy Horse @ Forest Hills 6/8 and maybe 6/9 - Governors Ball 8/17 - King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard @ Forest Hills 9/4 - Pearl Jam @ MSG 9/7 - Pearl Jam @ Wells Fargo Center 9/11 - St. Vincent @ Brooklyn Paramount
Post by itrainmonkeys on Feb 17, 2023 19:06:33 GMT -5
Will be posting my thoughts here as I go. Only two episodes in. Feel free to comment/reply to my posts but for the most part in going to be a oiding reading in this thread until I'm caught up. So feel free to run with spoilers untagged for stuff already aired. When I catch up I can go back through and reply to replies months from now lol
Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
UPCOMING SHOWS 5/14 - Neil Young & Crazy Horse @ Forest Hills 6/8 and maybe 6/9 - Governors Ball 8/17 - King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard @ Forest Hills 9/4 - Pearl Jam @ MSG 9/7 - Pearl Jam @ Wells Fargo Center 9/11 - St. Vincent @ Brooklyn Paramount
Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
UPCOMING SHOWS 5/14 - Neil Young & Crazy Horse @ Forest Hills 6/8 and maybe 6/9 - Governors Ball 8/17 - King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard @ Forest Hills 9/4 - Pearl Jam @ MSG 9/7 - Pearl Jam @ Wells Fargo Center 9/11 - St. Vincent @ Brooklyn Paramount
I've wanted to start FAM for a long time due to my adoration of Ronald D. Moore. Even though I'm immersed in The Expanse atm all of y'all's chatter made me decide to finally get started. I looked for an Apple TV+ trial and found this for new customers:
Almost 100 days free for new subscribers. I already activated it and it works. Not that Apple TV is that expensive but if anyone was waiting to pull the trigger there you go. Will check back on this thread in a few weeks when I've had time to get through some eps.
I've wanted to start FAM for a long time due to my adoration of Ronald D. Moore. Even though I'm immersed in The Expanse atm all of y'all's chatter made me decide to finally get started. I looked for an Apple TV+ trial and found this for new customers:
Almost 100 days free for new subscribers. I already activated it and it works. Not that Apple TV is that expensive but if anyone was waiting to pull the trigger there you go. Will check back on this thread in a few weeks when I've had time to get through some eps.
I adore The Expanse. The books and the show.
And Apple TV is to me the best value streamer out there. Ted Lasso. Servant. Severance. Slow Horses. For All Mankind. Tragedy of Macbeth and Killers of the Flower Moon to come soon. All that for 5 bucks a month.
Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
UPCOMING SHOWS 5/14 - Neil Young & Crazy Horse @ Forest Hills 6/8 and maybe 6/9 - Governors Ball 8/17 - King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard @ Forest Hills 9/4 - Pearl Jam @ MSG 9/7 - Pearl Jam @ Wells Fargo Center 9/11 - St. Vincent @ Brooklyn Paramount
Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
UPCOMING SHOWS 5/14 - Neil Young & Crazy Horse @ Forest Hills 6/8 and maybe 6/9 - Governors Ball 8/17 - King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard @ Forest Hills 9/4 - Pearl Jam @ MSG 9/7 - Pearl Jam @ Wells Fargo Center 9/11 - St. Vincent @ Brooklyn Paramount
Post by itrainmonkeys on Feb 20, 2023 0:38:45 GMT -5
We just finished episode 6. Been watching it with my mom since she had heard it was good from her sister and mine.
It's getting good. They're definitely jumping forward in time quickly but not hard to follow or anything.
I think the funniest thing about watching this, probably because I watch way too much TV AND everything seems so risky in space stuff, is that we keep expecting something terrible will happen. Even though we know it's loosley based on history and they have a lot of real people from nasa history in the show. We still keep thinking something terrible will happen.
Like....a couple episodes ago Octavio sends his daughter Aleida alone on the bus to the cape to watch the takeoff launch in person. Immediate thought is something bad happens but in the end she just arrives with no issue and is inspired/reminded of her late mom. Then she's fine. No reason to worry lol.
Or when Molly is swinging for ice on the moon. Or when Gordo goes walking out on the moon surface and we were waiting for him to lose oxygen and die lol.
Obviously, there are tragedies (Patty in the trarining exercise, the ship explosion they discuss before the show began which led to Nasa not taking as many chances. And the big launch blowing up that was supposed to relieve Ed, Gordo, and Danielle from the moon bass). But that doesn't stop me from expecting death or mayhem or explosions around every corner lol
Getting better now that we really are getting to know the various characters who are mainly focused on. Learning names and seeing the arcs (like Gordo and his wife and their issues).
Excited to see how the season ends and where it goes.
Molly died, but what a way to go, and I'm glad it happened off-screen so that the last thing we see of her is her going back into the wreckage to try to save more people. Absolute boss until the end
jumped into the new millennium. And as for that time jump...it was funny, because when I saw the "2003" text on the screen, I was like, "Wow, they're really catching up - in a couple of seasons, they'll have to start projecting into the future," and then I realized that 2003 was 20 fucking years ago and that, even if they jumped ahead 10 full years in seasons 5 and 6, they wouldn't be caught up to the present day, and then I crumbled into dust.
Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
UPCOMING SHOWS 5/14 - Neil Young & Crazy Horse @ Forest Hills 6/8 and maybe 6/9 - Governors Ball 8/17 - King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard @ Forest Hills 9/4 - Pearl Jam @ MSG 9/7 - Pearl Jam @ Wells Fargo Center 9/11 - St. Vincent @ Brooklyn Paramount
Molly died, but what a way to go, and I'm glad it happened off-screen so that the last thing we see of her is her going back into the wreckage to try to save more people. Absolute boss until the end
jumped into the new millennium. And as for that time jump...it was funny, because when I saw the "2003" text on the screen, I was like, "Wow, they're really catching up - in a couple of seasons, they'll have to start projecting into the future," and then I realized that 2003 was 20 fucking years ago and that, even if they jumped ahead 10 full years in seasons 5 and 6, they wouldn't be caught up to the present day, and then I crumbled into dust.
Molly died, but what a way to go, and I'm glad it happened off-screen so that the last thing we see of her is her going back into the wreckage to try to save more people. Absolute boss until the end
jumped into the new millennium. And as for that time jump...it was funny, because when I saw the "2003" text on the screen, I was like, "Wow, they're really catching up - in a couple of seasons, they'll have to start projecting into the future," and then I realized that 2003 was 20 fucking years ago and that, even if they jumped ahead 10 full years in seasons 5 and 6, they wouldn't be caught up to the present day, and then I crumbled into dust.
Lol this is a spoilers thread.
Yeah, but there are at least a couple folks in here who are catching up, and I don't want to be the one that harshes that for them!
Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
UPCOMING SHOWS 5/14 - Neil Young & Crazy Horse @ Forest Hills 6/8 and maybe 6/9 - Governors Ball 8/17 - King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard @ Forest Hills 9/4 - Pearl Jam @ MSG 9/7 - Pearl Jam @ Wells Fargo Center 9/11 - St. Vincent @ Brooklyn Paramount
Five episodes in. I thought this was an alternate history show, not an alternate science one. So far as I can tell FAM propagates the round-earth lie. But I also know you guys said each season finale contains a twist. I'm betting the end of season one will be a flat earth reveal and then season two will cover the fallout of mankind getting flatpilled. I don't care if it wakes up the other guys in our bunker, I'm gonna hoot and holler when that happens.
Binged all three seasons in a week. Haven't done that with a show in years. All thanks to you guys hyping it up. It is so damn good. Some mind-blowing moments but even without those it's always compelling and stacked with great characters. Since I'm the last new person aboard I guess I gotta wear the Linus patch. More people need to discover this show so I can pass it on.
FAM reminded me a lot of Mad Men early on. Not just the era and booze but also it being a character-driven workplace drama that uses its setting and people in it to comment on society of the time. I know some said it's a bit slow but compared to Mad Men I felt it had plenty of story propellant, especially after the groundwork of season one. I liked the reckoning with sexism and racism but also its exploration of mental health. The inability to talk about it in a macho-driven world is such a huge component with lots of consequences for multiple characters. It seemed like many of them didn't even have the framework to acknowledge what was happening in their heads. Also enjoyed the militarization aspects as we all know the US can't help but to turn everything into conflict.
It also made me realize how little I know about NASA's history and where they're at today. I pretty much just know the general outline that most Americans would from like middle school. I've watched a couple documentaries but I believe those were mission specific. I read an interesting book a few years ago called Operation Paperclip about America recruiting Nazi scientists, some of whom wound up in NASA. Obvs that's touched on in the show. A fun speculative aspect of FAM is how society stayed compelled with space. These days it feels like an afterthought that doesn't grab much attention. There are certain things in the last few years I only heard about because of a comedy-science podcast I listen to. That's partly on me but there's no doubt it's just not the huge thing it once was. Elon is a dweeb but it feels like with Space-X some of that passion has reignited.
What are some good books/docs/articles concerning NASA/space exploration's history and future? I'm thinking stuff geared toward someone with a casual interest. I'd also be interested in near-future speculative fiction concerning space if anyone has a book like that in mind.
Some spoiler thoughts concerning all three seasons:
They've done a pretty good job of aging up the characters. Gordo looked right in season two with the extra weight. Ed looked pretty worn out at the start of season three. Other characters like Ellen it seems like they're barely trying lolz. Her husband looks bizarre with whatever they did with him haha. I def enjoy them moving through eras. That passage of time hasn't felt rushed or not lived in before shooting forward.
The casting of adult Danny is perfect. I've met a few outwardly composed but bubbling with rage guys like him, including one who looks a ton like the actor they used. When I first saw him I was like holy shit he looks like Richard, then as the show went on I was like holy shit, he IS Richard.
I loved the scene of Ed raging out over his adopted daughter wanting to join the Navy. Father stuff always gets me but it was so emotional and well done when he broke down and explained that after losing Shane he swore he'd always protect Karen and her. He's a hard character to like but I sympathize when the walls come down for a moment. Similarly, the bonding between Aleida and Bill was touching when he explained where the Peanut nickname came from. There were so many nice character moments like this throughout the whole series.
The boot stepping on Mars at the end of season two made me start laughing out loud in an "oh my god" type of way. I was fucking shocked at that final shot in season three of Margo in Russia. Holy shit! I'm glad Apple has kept the show going as it can't be cheap to make and I don't think it's ever been a big hit. It's a period piece whose period changes every year (was sad to see Mission Control change over from season one to two as I loved that old look), has a big cast, incredible effects (all the Moon/Mars stuff looks great), and every episode contains a big song. Hope we can at least get six seasons so that we reach the modern era. Can't wait to see where this show goes.
A fun speculative aspect of FAM is how society stayed compelled with space. These days it feels like an afterthought that doesn't grab much attention.
I like that it's not posited as just, "What if people still cared about space," though. The reason that happens in the show is that they find lithium to mine on the moon, making it an economically beneficial proposition. That was one of the big things that took the wind out of the space program's sails in the '70s - once the excitement of beating the Soviets to the moon wore off, society had to deal with the fact that it was just a dead ball of dust without significant value beyond the philosophical gas of putting human boots on non-terrestrial land. FAM makes a point of telling us over and over that their version of NASA is self-funding, and even profitable. I'm guessing if that had been the case in the real world, interest in further exploration would have stayed higher, at least at the governmental/institutional level.
The other big thing missing from the FAM timeline is the Challenger disaster, which was just a huge psychic blow when it happened. Watching an entire shuttle crew, including a civilian, apparently vaporized (although, even more horrifically, it turns out that might not even have necessarily been what happened to those poor folks) on national television in a broadcast being shown in classrooms across the country very much changed the conversation about the risk/benefit ratio of manned space flight. Columbia made it even worse. It's not like there aren't disasters or accidents in FAM, but most of them don't involve the total loss of craft and crew, and usually culminate with some act of heroism that saves lives. We didn't get that in our timeline, unfortunately.
Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
UPCOMING SHOWS 5/14 - Neil Young & Crazy Horse @ Forest Hills 6/8 and maybe 6/9 - Governors Ball 8/17 - King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard @ Forest Hills 9/4 - Pearl Jam @ MSG 9/7 - Pearl Jam @ Wells Fargo Center 9/11 - St. Vincent @ Brooklyn Paramount
I'd also be interested in near-future speculative fiction concerning space if anyone has a book like that in mind.
I'd recommend Seveneves by Neal Stephenson. The premise is a bit fantastical, but Stephenson is an incredibly detail-oriented writer (sometimes to a fault), and really leans into trying to get the science right around the ISS, living in orbit, etc. It's a long and hugely involved read, but I really enjoyed it.
Do you want to dance while also thinking about all the ways you've failed as a human?
UPCOMING SHOWS 5/14 - Neil Young & Crazy Horse @ Forest Hills 6/8 and maybe 6/9 - Governors Ball 8/17 - King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard @ Forest Hills 9/4 - Pearl Jam @ MSG 9/7 - Pearl Jam @ Wells Fargo Center 9/11 - St. Vincent @ Brooklyn Paramount
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I'd also be interested in near-future speculative fiction concerning space if anyone has a book like that in mind.
I'd recommend Seveneves by Neal Stephenson. The premise is a bit fantastical, but Stephenson is an incredibly detail-oriented writer (sometimes to a fault), and really leans into trying to get the science right around the ISS, living in orbit, etc. It's a long and hugely involved read, but I really enjoyed it.
Shout out Seveneves, I love that book and generally adore Stephenson. Most of his books are like a sprawling double album from a band midway through their career that you rate five stars because even though it's self indulgent its still a hell of a ride.
A fun speculative aspect of FAM is how society stayed compelled with space. These days it feels like an afterthought that doesn't grab much attention.
I like that it's not posited as just, "What if people still cared about space," though. The reason that happens in the show is that they find lithium to mine on the moon, making it an economically beneficial proposition. That was one of the big things that took the wind out of the space program's sails in the '70s - once the excitement of beating the Soviets to the moon wore off, society had to deal with the fact that it was just a dead ball of dust without significant value beyond the philosophical gas of putting human boots on non-terrestrial land. FAM makes a point of telling us over and over that their version of NASA is self-funding, and even profitable. I'm guessing if that had been the case in the real world, interest in further exploration would have stayed higher, at least at the governmental/institutional level.
The other big thing missing from the FAM timeline is the Challenger disaster, which was just a huge psychic blow when it happened. Watching an entire shuttle crew, including a civilian, apparently vaporized (although, even more horrifically, it turns out that might not even have necessarily been what happened to those poor folks) on national television in a broadcast being shown in classrooms across the country very much changed the conversation about the risk/benefit ratio of manned space flight. Columbia made it even worse. It's not like there aren't disasters or accidents in FAM, but most of them don't involve the total loss of craft and crew, and usually culminate with some act of heroism that saves lives. We didn't get that in our timeline, unfortunately.
Challenger most definitely did NOT vaporize. It’s pretty well known now that after the explosion, the crew cabin depressurized and continued up to like 65k feet before breaking apart. The 7 crew were most likely unconscious and died when the crew cabin struck the ocean at 200mph nearly 2.5 minutes later. Their remains were ultimately recovered and I believe they are buried at Arlington Cemetery.
As for Columbia, they most definitely were largely vaporized. Most of the crew wasn’t even wearing their full gear or even fully strapped into their seats. They do believe that either the pilot or co-pilot was still conscious for 30 seconds longer than thought and made attempts to regain control of the ship but ultimately the crew probably knew they were fucked for the last 60 seconds.
A fun speculative aspect of FAM is how society stayed compelled with space. These days it feels like an afterthought that doesn't grab much attention.
I like that it's not posited as just, "What if people still cared about space," though. The reason that happens in the show is that they find lithium to mine on the moon, making it an economically beneficial proposition. That was one of the big things that took the wind out of the space program's sails in the '70s - once the excitement of beating the Soviets to the moon wore off, society had to deal with the fact that it was just a dead ball of dust without significant value beyond the philosophical gas of putting human boots on non-terrestrial land. FAM makes a point of telling us over and over that their version of NASA is self-funding, and even profitable. I'm guessing if that had been the case in the real world, interest in further exploration would have stayed higher, at least at the governmental/institutional level.
The other big thing missing from the FAM timeline is the Challenger disaster, which was just a huge psychic blow when it happened. Watching an entire shuttle crew, including a civilian, apparently vaporized (although, even more horrifically, it turns out that might not even have necessarily been what happened to those poor folks) on national television in a broadcast being shown in classrooms across the country very much changed the conversation about the risk/benefit ratio of manned space flight. Columbia made it even worse. It's not like there aren't disasters or accidents in FAM, but most of them don't involve the total loss of craft and crew, and usually culminate with some act of heroism that saves lives. We didn't get that in our timeline, unfortunately.
didn't they have a little scene, feel like it was a clip of a news broadcast, showing the challenger launching without any issue?
I like that it's not posited as just, "What if people still cared about space," though. The reason that happens in the show is that they find lithium to mine on the moon, making it an economically beneficial proposition. That was one of the big things that took the wind out of the space program's sails in the '70s - once the excitement of beating the Soviets to the moon wore off, society had to deal with the fact that it was just a dead ball of dust without significant value beyond the philosophical gas of putting human boots on non-terrestrial land. FAM makes a point of telling us over and over that their version of NASA is self-funding, and even profitable. I'm guessing if that had been the case in the real world, interest in further exploration would have stayed higher, at least at the governmental/institutional level.
The other big thing missing from the FAM timeline is the Challenger disaster, which was just a huge psychic blow when it happened. Watching an entire shuttle crew, including a civilian, apparently vaporized (although, even more horrifically, it turns out that might not even have necessarily been what happened to those poor folks) on national television in a broadcast being shown in classrooms across the country very much changed the conversation about the risk/benefit ratio of manned space flight. Columbia made it even worse. It's not like there aren't disasters or accidents in FAM, but most of them don't involve the total loss of craft and crew, and usually culminate with some act of heroism that saves lives. We didn't get that in our timeline, unfortunately.
didn't they have a little scene, feel like it was a clip of a news broadcast, showing the challenger launching without any issue?
according to the wiki in the FAM world they identified the o-ring issue.
yeah, the O-ring was a pretty big plot point with Margo but they didn't directly relate it to Challenger until the little tidbits at the end of the season.
for thoes of you watching, there are a bunch of little specials between seasons 1 and 2 and again for 2 and 3 that expand on the alternate timeline stuff. they aren't the best content but they are "neat" to watch.
