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Post by famousblueraincoat on Mar 30, 2006 19:22:25 GMT -5
I think this round is outstanding, and I'm kind of hoping the next round is more indie stuff. There is actually a good mix of everything right now, and I couldn't be happier. I need Sufjan and I'm good.
So fucking what man? Look, you want to keep the same nine or ten acts rotating in under different side project names, you can have that. I want variety. I want global variety. That's what these additions give us. We get the Streets (UK), Refugee All Stars (W. Africa) and Electric Eel Shock (Japan). Plus we get some legit American hip/hop additions. And the comedy tent is pretty damn kick ass.
Honestly, I can see a call for new blood from the jam scene to be added at Bonnaroo, but complaining about groups who've already played Bonnaroo several times not being there is just tired. Especially when they probably still have two additional rounds to go...
Post by venusinfurs on Mar 30, 2006 20:19:23 GMT -5
keithk1055 said:
a good mix of everything except traditonal roo jambands...
Who are the traditonal Roo jambands? Most are represented in some form, with the exception of a couple who have worthy replacements. Asking where all the 'traditional jambands' that have played 'Roo in previous years is like asking where the 'traditional indie' bands are. No, we don't get Widespread Panic. No, we don't get Jack Johnson. No, we don't get Galactic. No, we don't get Kings of Leon. So what? Let's be happy about what we've already got.
Post by keithk1055 on Mar 30, 2006 21:02:10 GMT -5
but we do get my morning jacket 3 years in a row??? well lets just take a look at last year(which many would argue was a mainstream roo also)...lets start with headliners wsp and dave(not a jamband, i know).... the only things that come close are oysterhead(not a headliner)and phil and friends
as far as smaller bands last year we had rose hill drive, alo,drive by trucker, allman bros,the marsvolta, umpreys,ratdog,tea leaf green,the black crowes,karl densonand im pretty sure that im missing a couple so that is 11 and i would say that those are som serious names and playing some prime spots in the schedule...
now this year we have oyster head, phil and friends, moe, umph/bisco thats 4...see the difference??
These threads have turned into deja vu...all over again.
It's just the same complaints, the same surprise over stuff that has already been discussed at great length (see Tea Leaf Green), and the same tired soapboxing. Lordy lord, come on Inforoo!
Post by keithk1055 on Mar 30, 2006 21:11:41 GMT -5
yet another person expressing how much they dont wanna talk about this... but like moths to a light they all flock into throw their 2 cents in... icant imagine how so amny people who dont wanna talk about this are being forced to.. maybe we need a taskforce to help these poor opressed people
Post by venusinfurs on Mar 30, 2006 21:15:18 GMT -5
keithk1055 said:
but we do get my morning jacket 3 years in a row??? well lets just take a look at last year(which many would argue was a mainstream roo also)...lets start with headliners wsp and dave(not a jamband, i know).... the only things that come close are oysterhead(not a headliner)and phil and friends
as far as smaller bands last year we had rose hill drive, alo,drive by trucker, allman bros,the marsvolta, umpreys,ratdog,tea leaf green,the black crowes,karl densonand im pretty sure that im missing a couple so that is 11 and i would say that those are som serious names and playing some prime spots in the schedule...
now this year we have oyster head, phil and friends, moe, umph/bisco thats 4...see the difference??
Phil Lesh & Friends Oysterhead moe. Bela Fleck & the Flecktones Robert Randolph & the Family Band G. Love & Special Sauce Umphrey's McGee Mike Gordon & Ramble Dove Medeski Martin & Wood Blues Traveler Disco Biscuits Soulive Rusted Root Bill Frisell The Wood Brothers
That was posted in another thread by someone else (I can't remember who, sorry). I agree with him on all of those being countable as jam bands. That's 15. The jambands are just as balanced as the 10-20 indie acts, the 7 rap groups/rappers, and the other random musical genres. It's fair, is it not?
And as for MMJ, I agree that it isn't fair that they've been included for three years in a row, seeing as it breaks Superfly's own rules. So it goes.
but we do get my morning jacket 3 years in a row??? well lets just take a look at last year(which many would argue was a mainstream roo also)...lets start with headliners wsp and dave(not a jamband, i know).... the only things that come close are oysterhead(not a headliner)and phil and friends
as far as smaller bands last year we had rose hill drive, alo,drive by trucker, allman bros,the marsvolta, umpreys,ratdog,tea leaf green,the black crowes,karl densonand im pretty sure that im missing a couple so that is 11 and i would say that those are som serious names and playing some prime spots in the schedule...
now this year we have oyster head, phil and friends, moe, umph/bisco thats 4...see the difference??
Rose Hill Drive is not a jamband. Drive By Truckers. Not a Jam band. Allman Bros. Not a Jam band. Mars Volta. Not a jam band.
WSP needs to go away and stop double billing festivals I want to go to. And Dave is okay, but attracts frat boys like none other.
Honestly, someone on another thread pointed out who it is that listens to jamband music in my generation, and for the most part, it's not people who really love music. It's frat boys who like to go to concerts, get wasted and do some drugs. You want to know what fratboys are learning to play on their acoustic guitars? Jack Johnson, Phish, Ben Harper and Dispatch. They're sure as hell not learning Death Cab for Cutie or Radiohead.
I'm not hating on any of those artists. I have a lot of their albums. But I'm also realistic enough to see that jam bands attract more dickheads than indie rock does. Yes, the communial aspect of the scene is great, but the perpherial is god awful and depressing. And frankly, I'm fucking tired of the kind of arrogance that says Radiohead fans or Common fans or Death Cab fans are somehow more of a corporate buzzkill than Phish or Widespread Panic or Dave. Have you even bothered to listen to the message or the music those guys put out?
Sorry I'm being harsh, but you seem to be spewing venom today. and as I see it, it's not really for any good reason whatsoever beyond they didn't add more jambands.
Post by keithk1055 on Mar 30, 2006 21:20:20 GMT -5
i guess i missed the memo wher g love became a jamband.. youve got hiphop/rap listed, youve got jazz listed, youve got bluegras funk listed.. well i guess if thats the definitoin of jamband then i will have to reevaluate my lists... but im not going to cuz im sick of this...more then half of what you just listed are not jam bands, if g. love and bill frissel are jam bands then radiohead is most certainly mainstrem pop
Post by venusinfurs on Mar 30, 2006 21:21:24 GMT -5
dudezer47 said:
keithk1055 said:
but we do get my morning jacket 3 years in a row??? well lets just take a look at last year(which many would argue was a mainstream roo also)...lets start with headliners wsp and dave(not a jamband, i know).... the only things that come close are oysterhead(not a headliner)and phil and friends
as far as smaller bands last year we had rose hill drive, alo,drive by trucker, allman bros,the marsvolta, umpreys,ratdog,tea leaf green,the black crowes,karl densonand im pretty sure that im missing a couple so that is 11 and i would say that those are som serious names and playing some prime spots in the schedule...
now this year we have oyster head, phil and friends, moe, umph/bisco thats 4...see the difference??
Rose Hill Drive is not a jamband. Drive By Truckers. Not a Jam band. Allman Bros. Not a Jam band. Mars Volta. Not a jam band.
Post by keithk1055 on Mar 30, 2006 21:24:40 GMT -5
ye rright... bonnaroo was built by poeple who dont really like music... dude we can all do drugs at home... we will see in a couple years when the jambanders bail... then you will see what your left with.. i hope you enjoy it and stay the hell away from 10klf so the same thing dosent happen there
Post by venusinfurs on Mar 30, 2006 21:26:44 GMT -5
keithk1055 said:
i guess i missed the memo wher g love became a jamband.. youve got hiphop/rap listed, youve got jazz listed, youve got bluegras funk listed.. well i guess if thats the definitoin of jamband then i will have to reevaluate my lists... but im not going to cuz im sick of this...more then half of what you just listed are not jam bands, if g. love and bill frissel are jam bands then radiohead is most certainly mainstrem pop
As said, someone else posted that list. I happen to agree. I see that you don't and so it goes. Different opinions, more to agree to disagree on.
I don't mind them breaking the rule, it seems stupid to me.
As for G. Love being a jam band. Well... they do go into lengthy improvisations of songs, right?
My list may not be perfect, as I seldom actually see live bands like that (only the huge bands come to Mexico, although that's been changing lately). When I originally posted it I invited people to contribute.
Post by keithk1055 on Mar 30, 2006 21:36:56 GMT -5
umm g love is not a jam band its hiphop/funk... just cuz gordo played with phish dosent make gordo and ramble dove a jam band, blea fleck is blugrass funkand maybe some more but not jam, bill frisell is jazz/blues, soulive is like hiphop jazz... if your a little confused you dont have to listen to me.. got to these artists website... or read their description on roos site... or just listen to them so you can actually know what you are talking about
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Nah, I just think you and me have a different definition of a jam band. I think for you it's sort of a kind of sound like Grateful Dead and Gov't Mule. My definition is a band with any kind of sound, that goes into lengthy improvisations at live shows.
I've seen Bela Fleck & the Flecktones twice, and they definately do that. So does Mike & Ramble Dove. With Frisell and Soulive it's slightly more complicated, because you have to draw the line between jazz and jam bands, since jazz is almost always improvisatory in nature. However, from what I've heard from those two (and I've heard some live stuff) I'd say they're definately jam bands (or in the case of Bill Frisell, I suppose a jam person or whatever).
Post by venusinfurs on Mar 30, 2006 21:47:46 GMT -5
gnome said:
Nah, I just think you and me have a different definition of a jam band. I think for you it's sort of a kind of sound like Grateful Dead and Gov't Mule. My definition is a band with any kind of sound, that goes into lengthy improvisations at live shows.
I've seen Bela Fleck & the Flecktones twice, and they definately do that. So does Mike & Ramble Dove. With Frisell and Soulive it's slightly more complicated, because you have to draw the line between jazz and jam bands, since jazz is almost always improvisatory in nature. However, from what I've heard from those two (and I've heard some live stuff) I'd say they're definately jam bands (or in the case of Bill Frisell, I suppose a jam person or whatever).
Precisely my opinion.
Wikipedia agrees as well.
The term jam band describes bands, often psychedelic rock bands, whose concerts largely consist of improvisational music, such as those of The Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers Band, Phish, Cream, Widespread Panic, moe., String Cheese Incident and many others. The term likely derives from the jam sessions of jazz musicians.
Although usually associated with psychedelic rock, jam bands often draw on various musical traditions, including funk, progressive bluegrass, blues, country music, rock and progressive rock, folk music and jazz.
I was gonna quote wikipedia, but someone will probably say it has little credibility because anyone can edit it. But that defnition's been there for a long time, so experts have probably agreed on it.
Post by keithk1055 on Mar 30, 2006 22:02:53 GMT -5
well i think most of know that there is no such thing as "jam bands" its just a term to simplify a conversation by not having to list bands over and over.... and if your including glove and souliive and bela fleck then you are not in tune with what we have been talking about and the way that the term has been being used.... ive seen better than ezra do 10 minute versions of 3 minute radio songs... are they a jamband? or guster... they have taken many of thier songs and added 5 minute drum solsos in there ...they are lots of things but they are not a jamband
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Post by venusinfurs on Mar 31, 2006 0:41:18 GMT -5
moonsky409 said:
Any indie fans out there like me AGREE that there should be more jam bands??
I'm split. I'm still firm with the belief that the jam scene is well represented already. However, it sounds to me that most jam band fans want to see acts like String Cheese Incident, Galactic, Widespread Panic, etc. added.
In honesty, I think all three (String Cheese, Galactic, WSP) are overrated as far as jam bands go... however, I wouldn't mind if they were added at all. The more music the merrier.
yeah definetly need warren haynes there. would it be bonnaroo without him? what about iron and wine? xavier rudd? would be nice to see those guys to pass the time eh?
Actually, I'm only seeing the same few jam band fans post over and over. I still don't get the feeling that a majority of jam-Roo'ers are somehow up in arms. The poll so far doesn't suggest that either. Part of the disconnect obviously comes in how people define "jam."
I think the majority might just be at 10klf or something. Relix had a similar poll, "dude where are the jambands" was by far the most popular option, with like 600 votes, "still waiting for panic" and "radiohead? no thanks" each had like 80. "best lineup ever" "tom petty, mike gordon, whats to miss" and "good but not as good as last year" all came in at around 150 or something if i remember correctly. i tried to find it but its no longer up.
this was taken before the first two rounds of additions though. i guess really superfly doesnt need to cater to people who arent gonna be at roo anyway, but many of us will still be there. personally exept for maybe the trey solo the lineup at 10klf doesnt impress me compared to roo or waka. the waka lineup is pretty tight though, greyboy!, but it cant mess with phil, oysterhead, radiohead, RAMBLE DOVE, or the many good non-jam acts. they still need more jambands though
