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Post by Lucid Interval on Mar 30, 2006 1:03:40 GMT -5
We need some REGGAE, BLUEGRASS, allman brothers, keller williams, SCI, galactic, particle, tea leaf green or STS9...
Wheres New Monsoon, or Lotus?The Jazz Mandolin Project? How about smaller bands like U-Melt and The Breakfast... Up and comers like the Pnuma Trio and Railroad Earth? I'd go for some Steve Kimock, or even some old timers like Leo Kottke or New Riders Of The Purple Sage...
Just some feelings of mine... I've been looking at the Bonnaroo lineup lately and being a ticketholder to the Roo' as well as Wakarusa and seriously thinking about pulling off 10kLakes, Bonnaroo has some voids to fill. The right additions IMO would help to level out the playing feild. Im starting to realize more and more how much of a drastic change this really is from last year, nevermind years before that.
man ive bitched quite a bit about some of these bands, but truly i allready have more then enough to do and see and be happy, obviously i would love to see some more good names but if not it will still be awesome, 10klf is a better lineup in my opinion and im gonna do everything short of not going to roo to get there
that said i am still hoping for some more jam, tea leaf green plays in the area that week, im hopin they come back again
wtf?!?!!?they will have headliners back to back but not a tent act? last year they had a headliner from the year before and the same headliner ffor sat and sun not to mention all of the other bands that have played back to back years that werent headliners, i dont even know how they could say that is a policy... this is just more of the same from superfly..im starting to wonder if i really want to give my money to these people (although i already have)this news wont make me get rid of my ticket but i will have to think about it next year... id take teal leaf green again (or any number of bands that can round out the "jam" scene) over yet another set from my morning jacket (i know lots of people enjoy them but do we need them every year)...other festivals are less expensive and they have the "jam" lineup you would normally expect out of roo..... im going to have a good time and see the bands i wanna see but im not sure if superfly is who i want to give my money to in the future.... i know i will be buying as much as i can from hippies travelling around trying to make it to thier next festival and less from the vendors that superfly is taxing
it takes me back to the 02 dvd and les talking about what a "kick in the ass" it was to be a part of an event that was all about great music and great vibes and wasnt about the mainstream profit driven stuff thats out there.....im starting to wonder if that still applys
not to be negative again just seems to be more and more to talk about on the subject of superfly taking roo in a new direction (away from it roots in my opinion) roo was more then just a show.. it was perfection, you didnt feel like you were getiing taxed to the limits of what they think you will pay, i guess i need to let go of what it used to be and just go to have a good time with good music and try to find a new place where what roo used to be (to me atleast) still exisits
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Keller might be a possible add. He has Wakarusa listed then a gap until June 22 (show in Virginia). Maybe he will be heading to Roo after Waka on his way to VA?
Post by ronburgandy? on Mar 30, 2006 9:00:46 GMT -5
i really wish they'd reconsider TLG. i saw them a couple weeks ago and they are really on fire right now. If they dont play roo, i will probably go to Tenn early and catch them in Chattennooga on the 14th.
i am thinking about trying to get there for that show....keller would be sweet...well maybe next year the" jam bands "will be back seeing how its their "policy" to not have back to backs...gimme a break!
I'm hoping for a Keller Williams Incident Show; thus satisfying the policy of not bringing back artists for back to back years. I just don't know if its Bonnaroo without Keller, that man is a God.
Post by keithk1055 on Mar 30, 2006 10:25:25 GMT -5
ya i hear ya.. but he did kinda jump the shark with bo bice... i am much more excited to see oysterhead over trey doing a bunch of covers...besides im pretty sure we will be seeing him help close it out with phil... i cant wait!!
yeah, i think so too. We can hope right!! I DLed the Phil and friends with Trey from February also with Joan Osborne, and if you dont have it yet, i say find it an DL it. Its great!
The Allman Bros are in Chattanooga on Saturday and Alabama on Sunday, so Friday is Warren's only free day....maybe the Allman Bros or at least Mule will be there then?! Warren has never missed a 'roo yet..
Ugh, I wish I hadn't read this thread now. I am so tired of all this whining.
Something celebrating only it's 5th Anniversary doesn't have "roots" and it's always been about diversity and celebrating musicians. Every year some group could complain about inclusion/exclusion and this year it's the "jam band" scene (whether it's applicable or not).
I love how people who follow jam bands, with hundreds of thousands of fans call additions of indie rock acts as "mainstream." If Roo added NIN, for example, these same people would scream bloody murder about going mainstream-- ignoring that it took NIN more than a year to go platinum with With_Teeth. But when Dave Matthews gets added nobody bats an eye- while his album goes platinum in a week. I just think people are so caught up having to pin this festival down (and its a moving target) with labels that now the same people that HATED labels in the past, eschewing "rock" and "alternative" to create their own "jam" moniker (that many artists in the scene hate) are giving lectures in appropriate band choice to Superfly.
We trust Superfly, for good or ill. If you don't, why would you want to be in their vibe? And if you aren't about their vibe, why would you want to spoil someone else's excitement?
Post by keithk1055 on Mar 30, 2006 12:15:30 GMT -5
jam band is used as a general term because everyone knows which bands it applies to, it is much easier then making a list everytime... im sure most will agree its not a good term for anything other then the purpose of simplifying a conversation
"we strust superfly, for good or ill" isnt that what britney spears said about president bush? it didnt make much sense then either
i heard lots of pissing and moaning about dave...frankly i like dave and hope hes back again next year with a new album, but i am glad hes not here 3 years in a row thats ecessive, although i would much rather have seen dave 3 years in a row then my morining jacket, i cant understand why superfly tells one band there is a policy of no back to backs(especially when they are of a genere that is lacking from this years lineup) while they have my morning jacket three years in a row... i stopped in fthe last 2 yearss and left shortly after i got there, they just havent impressed me....
when did how fast your albums sell become the criteria for mainstream, i think it is just about some music is better then others and that stuff sells more, mainstream to me is more of a mtv, american idol, and radio stations that play pop selling the same gimicky 1 hit wonders.... not someone who has a following because he has put out several great albums
by the way i wish ya hadnt read it either.. i cant understand why people so tired of the "jamband" issue come into threads that are discussing it
and as for the roots comment i would have to guess that you havent been, and if you have i would argue that you missed out on a large portion of what roo is all about if you believe it dosent have roots..... roo wouldnt even be here for this discussion to be taking place if it wasnt for the jam band roots that got it goin and keep it goin
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Just speaking from a sociological perspective, but labels are a natural human instinct. There are so many things out there that we have to label things. The only time that labels are bad is when we let prejudice dictate the label. So labels are otay!
And a question about mainstream. Is there a bad and a good mainstream? I would say that the Beatles and Bob Marley are mainstream. Or does mainstream just mean popular things that we( royal we) think suck? Like N'Sync, American Idol or other brain numbing music acts? Just curious about what you all think.
Post by TheFudgeFactory on Mar 30, 2006 12:34:49 GMT -5
keithk1055 said:
i cant understand why superfly tells one band there is a policy of no back to backs(especially when they are of a genere that is lacking from this years lineup) while they have my morning jacket three years in a row...
From Tea Leaf Green's website:"Understand that our good friends at Superfly have a policy to try and not have back-to-back performances by the same band two years in a row."
The keyword in that post is try. They try not to have the same bands play back-to-back years, but there is a couple that end up doing it anyway. Now if that post didn't have that keyword in it, it would be different. But it's not that big of a deal to me because I like MMJ.
What happens if my tee shot lands on a bird's back and he carries it out of bounds but then is attacked by a larger bird who grabs the ball and drops it in the hole? Is that still a hole in one? 'Cause that's how I'm gonna play it.
Post by keithk1055 on Mar 30, 2006 12:41:00 GMT -5
well under the definition i was using they wouldnt be "mainstream" i havent ever seen marley or the beatles on mtv or played on a pop station, they certainly are not gimicky 1 hit wonders shuffled at us one after another....in the beginiing i would say the beatles were probably considered mainstream so no i guess all mainstream isnt bad.....i truly dont have a problem with alot of mainstream acts, i like alot of the music but it is not worth the headaches that they bring along because of a small perentage of fans that are asssholes...plus at a festival that was founded on good music (the majority of it was "jam") you would think that they would continue on with that tradition and obviously there are some people that feel that hasnt happened
i would say that no music is bad...even if i think it sucks, it more of a roo issue then a bad music issue....it all boils down to somepeople like the changes and some dont
Post by keithk1055 on Mar 30, 2006 12:45:09 GMT -5
well they haven "tried" very hard because there has been many that have been back to back and there is the mmj 3 year nonsense....even if ya like them ya gotta say maybe it is time to give someone different a chance in their spot..... how did they even get 3 years in a row???? it dosent make sense to me that bands like j5 and mars volta that draw half of roo to their show arent back but mmj gets 3in a row. i just cant figure that one out
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From Tea Leaf Green's website:"Understand that our good friends at Superfly have a policy to try and not have back-to-back performances by the same band two years in a row."
This is all second-hand info from a band that wasn't invited back. Could be sour-grapes, could be from the mouth of God. Who knows?
I've never seen a statement from Superfly confirming that "policy", and as has been noted by several other posters in this thread, there are glaring exceptions to it. I'd take it with a grain of salt, a lime, and a shot ot tequila.
What happens if my tee shot lands on a bird's back and he carries it out of bounds but then is attacked by a larger bird who grabs the ball and drops it in the hole? Is that still a hole in one? 'Cause that's how I'm gonna play it.
Post by keithk1055 on Mar 30, 2006 13:04:23 GMT -5
actually i wouldnt care if they were there 60 years in a row, just be one more show i wouldnt have to worry about catching... i am more upset by who/what is not there...
as for the policy thing there is no way that is there policy nor can they say that it is..id imagine it is a friendly way to say we are not having you back this year.......
we have undergone a change in format, we are gonna take a succesful festie with the best crowd/community in the world and see if we cant change it up a bit
Last Edit: Mar 30, 2006 13:10:00 GMT -5 by skankinitslow - Back to Top
"mtv, american idol, and radio stations that play pop" - wow, well I've never seen anyone on Idol cover a Radiohead song-- but I HAVE seen them cover Allman Brothers. Funny.
In fact, many of the so-called "jam" bands were at one time the mainstream. Lesse, reknown musicians with giantic live followings, particular at festivals... that'd be the Dead AND Radiohead. My point is that everyone else is suddenly tying themselves to the mast of Jam without a whole lot of nuanced thought about music and variety and thought. And what's scary is its exactly the kind of xenophbia that many of their jam bands fought.
The lineup schedule of Roo does not have "roots." But Bonnaroo's spirit certainly does. And the musical spirit is less about genres than you'd like to paint it. It's largely in the NOLA jazz side (you do know where the word "Bonnaroo" comes from, right?) if it truly has to start somewhere. So consider the fact that the more bands you like to lump into "jam" the more you risk creating a genre, which is NOT what Roo is about-- Roo is about poking holes in our notion of genre.
It's just frustrating that people bother to start threads just to piss on what other people are happy about, or trusting. And if you think trusting a vibe is akin to Britney Spears trusting our Joke-In-Chief, than you're saying more about yourself than you are about me.
Personally I think it would be wonderful if we could keep extended discussions of that topic from taking over other threads.
As far as heady additions are concerned, I would love to see SCI, Keller, ABB, the Duo, Yonder Mountain or a number of other jam band or jam related names added. If you are using a broader definition of jam band my #1 wish in that category would probably be the Greyboy Allstars. More then any of those acts, I would probably like to see some jam based stuff that I haven't been exposed to yet (I'm enjoying digging into Umphrey's and the Disco Biscuits for the first time). That said, I'm not getting my hopes up for any "big" additions, as I am perfectly happy with the lineup as it stands today (as long as the Quannum adds prove to be true).
Post by keithk1055 on Mar 30, 2006 13:33:56 GMT -5
its far more annoying that people who do want to talk about this issue have to listen to all of these holier than thou rants about how whaty we ar discussing is worng and discriminatory... its obvious that you guys dont have a whole lot to cntribute so why even visit these threads....
we have been talking about tea leaf green and you call radiohead and the dead lesser reknowned bands(i think, either that or you called radiohead a jam band so i guess you decide which of those points you wanna try to make, dont think you will have much luck making sense out of either of them) and do clarify... which of these jambands used to be mainstream... i guess i missed sci,tlg,the dead, moe, etc... when they were on the top 100 stations and mtv
"And if you think trusting a vibe is akin to Britney Spears trusting our Joke-In-Chief, than you're saying more about yourself than you are about me."
i dont even know what ya mean man to be truthful...but youve said plenty to display what kind of understanding you have of the situation....and by the way these are not stealth threads...jsut dont participate in these conversations if the thought of a discussion invloving original thoughts is somehow ruining your excitment or whatever....i dont think anyone has said that they are not excited..just that we have some issues with the way things have been heading....
also you never answered the question as to whether or not you have been.... again i am guessing not seeing as how you are still saying that bonnaroo wasnt built on the jam scene roots that it does/did have
