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Eating fat doesn't make you fat. Eating more calories than you burn makes you fat.
I eat paleo and I have significantly more energy than my peers. Lack of energy comes from lack of sleep. Many people compensate for tiredness with diets high in sugar, carbs and caffeine. It is a vicious cycle, they get more tired, so are up later finishing tasks, so eat more junk, so get less sleep, etc...
Fat is good for you. I'm not saying to eat a Big Mac, but natural fats are nutritious. As far as gorillas, while there is one species that eats a heavy fruit diet, quite a few barely eat fruit, and subsist largely on plant matter and insects. We are not the only species with an odd diet relative. There are closely related parrot species where one lives on fruit, and another lives on seeds and plants. I wouldn't personally advocate a fruitivore diet.
Calories are not created equal. That's something that a lot of people fail to realize. Lack of energy comes from lack of sugar. Of course sleep is important, the same as exercise(move it or lose it). I know some people on a Paleo diet that are fit but they drink coffee daily. Obviously we're not all the same so we'll have different results. I agree, fat is good for you and important for brain function. Avocados and nuts are a great source but too much can definitely make you fat, same as protein. I can eat 20-30 pieces of fruit a day and not gain any weight and be supercharged full of energy. I know a decent amount of frugivores(mainly fruit diet) and they are ridiculous fit, not one is over weight and they eat 20-30 pieces of fruit for a meal. Personally I've messed around with a ton of different diets and find that a mostly fruit diet gives me the best results. I find that meat bogs me down and dairy makes me feel like crap. Humans are alkaline animals so I try to consume a mostly alkaline diet. A healthy PH level will prevent most if not all diseases.
Do whats best for you but I would highly recommend at least experimenting with a high fruit diet, the results may surprise you.
I agree with you on the not all calories are created equal thing, to a point. But gaining and losing weight really is as simple as burning more than you take in. It's been proven so many times over. Fat is actually an excellent form of energy, you just don't need to consume a lot of it to reap the benefits and not all fats are equal.
Also, if you eat 30 bananas in a day, you will probably get very sick and possibly cause some heart damage. I can get behind eating more fruit, but try to limit the banana intake. Potassium is an essential nutrient, but too much can have some pretty terrible effects on your heart.
Also, just because your lean and skinny and look good, doesn't mean you're healthy. That one isnt directed at anyone, just throwing out there for everyone to remember.
Do you guys have any tips for eating more nutritiously? I've been slowly shifting away from the Taco Bell-laden diet that I've subsisted on for so long, and while my diet is at least mildly acceptable, it's still not exactly nutritious either. I'd probably be deficient in a few things if I didn't take my multivitamin.
I know HOW to eat nutritiously, but part of my problem is that I just don't like vegetables. I can choke them down, but...blegghhh. I like peppers, but that's about it. I'm proud to say that I've managed to make broccoli somewhat palatable with olive oil and garlic, and I can do spinach sometimes, but I don't like enough of a variety of veggies to make them a large part of my diet. It's not so bad if they're in a pasta or something, but veggies by themselves are tough for me. Maybe it's just one of those things where I have to force myself to do it, but having a significant part of my diet come from food that by and large tastes bland or unappealing to me is not something I really want to do. Any tips, other than smothering everything in butter or olive oil?
Try lemon juice on your broccoli; boil cauliflower and mix them in when you mash potatoes; roasting vegetables in the oven can change the flavor of some veggies dramatically; hummus makes all raw veggies better.
This guy knows. I actually like vegetables but it's always good to learn ways to vary them.
Do you guys have any tips for eating more nutritiously? I've been slowly shifting away from the Taco Bell-laden diet that I've subsisted on for so long, and while my diet is at least mildly acceptable, it's still not exactly nutritious either. I'd probably be deficient in a few things if I didn't take my multivitamin.
I know HOW to eat nutritiously, but part of my problem is that I just don't like vegetables. I can choke them down, but...blegghhh. I like peppers, but that's about it. I'm proud to say that I've managed to make broccoli somewhat palatable with olive oil and garlic, and I can do spinach sometimes, but I don't like enough of a variety of veggies to make them a large part of my diet. It's not so bad if they're in a pasta or something, but veggies by themselves are tough for me. Maybe it's just one of those things where I have to force myself to do it, but having a significant part of my diet come from food that by and large tastes bland or unappealing to me is not something I really want to do. Any tips, other than smothering everything in butter or olive oil?
Blanch 'em. Partially cook them by boiling and then throw them in an ice bath. Cook the rest of your meal, then finish your veggies in a sauté pan with whatever seasonings you want. Blanching helps maintain color, flavor and nutrients. And they'll be nice an crisp.
Do you guys have any tips for eating more nutritiously? I've been slowly shifting away from the Taco Bell-laden diet that I've subsisted on for so long, and while my diet is at least mildly acceptable, it's still not exactly nutritious either. I'd probably be deficient in a few things if I didn't take my multivitamin.
I know HOW to eat nutritiously, but part of my problem is that I just don't like vegetables. I can choke them down, but...blegghhh. I like peppers, but that's about it. I'm proud to say that I've managed to make broccoli somewhat palatable with olive oil and garlic, and I can do spinach sometimes, but I don't like enough of a variety of veggies to make them a large part of my diet. It's not so bad if they're in a pasta or something, but veggies by themselves are tough for me. Maybe it's just one of those things where I have to force myself to do it, but having a significant part of my diet come from food that by and large tastes bland or unappealing to me is not something I really want to do. Any tips, other than smothering everything in butter or olive oil?
Well, if you're transitioning from Taco Bell, you probably want to eat foods that are familiar to you, but healthier versions. For example, here's an easy rice bowl:
-Cup of brown rice (rice cooker makes this easier, down the road) -Cup of black beans (fresh is best, but low-sodium canned is fine, rinse well, strain and microwave for 80 ~ 90 seconds) -Sliced avocado (the black, soft ones are fresh, slice, soak in a little lemon juice) -Chicken breast strips (slice chicken into 1" strips, marinate for 30 minutes in citrus, bake at 400 degrees for 23 ~ 25 minutes, juices will be clear) -Salsa (canned is fine, Newmans makes a good lime salsa) -Sour Cream (spoonful or two, full fat) -Diced tomato (chop up a bit of heirloom tomato) -Cilantro or mint to taste
You can make yourself large portions of the chicken, rice and beans, then you can prep yourself a bowl in under 3 minutes when you're hungry. Since we've cut out all the cheese, processed meat, mixed-grain corn shells, added sugars, salts, preservatives, etc... you're going to be eating a much healthier "taco". You can get whole corn taco shells at the grocery store if you want as well, look for ones without hydrogenated oil or wheat.
As far as veg - hit up a farmers market or green grocer. Most of the vegetables people hate are because they've eaten canned vegetables or those frozen "mixed vegetables" that taste awful, and now they associate anything green with a bitter, salty, unappetizing flavor. You'll find as you work with better ingredients that they have good natural flavors that require little seasoning to enhance. For vegetables that are eaten crunchy, steaming is the easiest way to cook. Blanching and pan-roasting are also good. Grilling is actually excellent. Grilled tomatoes, peppers, onions, etc... are all really good.
Oh and artichokes. Artichokes are -amazingly tasty- and don't require much seasoning beyond a lemon soak.
celestiaequestria thanks for the tips! I've got the Mexican foods down - fajitas/burritos/etc and chili are just about the only two healthy meals that I regularly cook. I'm having burritos for lunch today, actually (and I've got my peppers and onions )
The reason I don't do raw veggies is because they WILL sit and go bad. I've tried before, thinking that it would force me to cook them and eat healthier so that I wouldn't waste my money. It didn't work lol. Buying the bags of frozen steamable veggies is the baby step I'm on now (not the sodium-laden "meal in a bag" type though). The fact that I'm only cooking for myself makes it difficult too. I do leftovers, but making leftover veggies seem appealing to me is even harder than fresh veggies lol. I'm trying though!
And I'll have to try artichokes. I don't know if I've ever actually had an artichoke before.
Post by livesbydryshampoo on Apr 10, 2014 12:16:36 GMT -5
Finally warmed up in Chicago, so just went on my first run of the season on the Lake Shore Path. Only 1.5 miles, but I'll get back up there eventually. As a vegetarian who gets into some meal planning ruts, jfg108 's tips are great for making veggies worth craving.
celestiaequestria thanks for the tips! I've got the Mexican foods down - fajitas/burritos/etc and chili are just about the only two healthy meals that I regularly cook. I'm having burritos for lunch today, actually (and I've got my peppers and onions )
The reason I don't do raw veggies is because they WILL sit and go bad. I've tried before, thinking that it would force me to cook them and eat healthier so that I wouldn't waste my money. It didn't work lol. Buying the bags of frozen steamable veggies is the baby step I'm on now (not the sodium-laden "meal in a bag" type though). The fact that I'm only cooking for myself makes it difficult too. I do leftovers, but making leftover veggies seem appealing to me is even harder than fresh veggies lol. I'm trying though!
And I'll have to try artichokes. I don't know if I've ever actually had an artichoke before.
When you do go out to eat, try to hit up salad bars or places with good ones like Ruby Tuesday. Get your main dish (chicken, beef, fish) and a cooked veggie side then for your other side get salad bar or add one on and take it to go. You can fill that box up with TONS of single portions of veggies. Broccoli, snap peas, carrots, tomatoes, cauliflower, spinach. That way you have single person servings for 5-6 meals and it only costs a few bucks.
celestiaequestria thanks for the tips! I've got the Mexican foods down - fajitas/burritos/etc and chili are just about the only two healthy meals that I regularly cook. I'm having burritos for lunch today, actually (and I've got my peppers and onions )
The reason I don't do raw veggies is because they WILL sit and go bad. I've tried before, thinking that it would force me to cook them and eat healthier so that I wouldn't waste my money. It didn't work lol. Buying the bags of frozen steamable veggies is the baby step I'm on now (not the sodium-laden "meal in a bag" type though). The fact that I'm only cooking for myself makes it difficult too. I do leftovers, but making leftover veggies seem appealing to me is even harder than fresh veggies lol. I'm trying though!
And I'll have to try artichokes. I don't know if I've ever actually had an artichoke before.
When you do go out to eat, try to hit up salad bars or places with good ones like Ruby Tuesday. Get your main dish (chicken, beef, fish) and a cooked veggie side then for your other side get salad bar or add one on and take it to go. You can fill that box up with TONS of single portions of veggies. Broccoli, snap peas, carrots, tomatoes, cauliflower, spinach. That way you have single person servings for 5-6 meals and it only costs a few bucks.
Calories are not created equal. That's something that a lot of people fail to realize. Lack of energy comes from lack of sugar. Of course sleep is important, the same as exercise(move it or lose it). I know some people on a Paleo diet that are fit but they drink coffee daily. Obviously we're not all the same so we'll have different results. I agree, fat is good for you and important for brain function. Avocados and nuts are a great source but too much can definitely make you fat, same as protein. I can eat 20-30 pieces of fruit a day and not gain any weight and be supercharged full of energy. I know a decent amount of frugivores(mainly fruit diet) and they are ridiculous fit, not one is over weight and they eat 20-30 pieces of fruit for a meal. Personally I've messed around with a ton of different diets and find that a mostly fruit diet gives me the best results. I find that meat bogs me down and dairy makes me feel like crap. Humans are alkaline animals so I try to consume a mostly alkaline diet. A healthy PH level will prevent most if not all diseases.
Do whats best for you but I would highly recommend at least experimenting with a high fruit diet, the results may surprise you.
I agree with you on the not all calories are created equal thing, to a point. But gaining and losing weight really is as simple as burning more than you take in. It's been proven so many times over. Fat is actually an excellent form of energy, you just don't need to consume a lot of it to reap the benefits and not all fats are equal.
Also, if you eat 30 bananas in a day, you will probably get very sick and possibly cause some heart damage. I can get behind eating more fruit, but try to limit the banana intake. Potassium is an essential nutrient, but too much can have some pretty terrible effects on your heart.
Also, just because your lean and skinny and look good, doesn't mean you're healthy. That one isnt directed at anyone, just throwing out there for everyone to remember.
Is there any studies or something to show the effects of eating too many bananas? Not just some doctors saying its bad, but somebody who has actually felt the effects? I know people that consume a ridiculous amount of bananas and they have a ton of bloodwork and testing done every year which they share the results on their YouTube channels and websites. One guy goes by the name Durian Rider and his girlfriend Freelee. They are both very healthy and very athletic. Durian is a beast when it comes to running and cycling. Like a year ago he challenged any cyclist to log more miles in one month and nobody could beat him, including pros. He also wins pretty much every 5k or 10k race he enters. Freelee who is also a very good athlete has written several books on the frugivore lifestyle. They both have a ton of videos about all of this. They're both currently trying to get on Dr Oz in some competition. I also live by this guy Mike Vlasity who eats a ton of bananas and is stronger than anybody I've known for his size. He also has a YouTube channel where he shares some personal info. He weighs under 150 lbs and benches twice his body weight and dead lifts three times his body weight.
I agree about the skinny thing, the same goes for muscular individuals. Just because you look like the Arnold doesn't mean you're healthy. Body builders in general are very unhealthy. I think skinny has a crazy stigma attached to it. A couple summers ago I was down to 140 lbs and I heard a lot of "you're too skinny", coming from clearly overweight individuals. It's crazy. I felt the best I've ever felt in my life but for some reason people think skinny is unhealthy. I'm 5'10" and according to the BMI scale I was at a perfect weight. I'm not saying that the BMI is something to live by but I think it can be used as a basic guideline.
By no means am I trying to be perfect or do I think anybody should be. But from my experience with nutrition the raw vegans who consume mostly fruit are by far the healthiest. I know I felt my best on this diet. I went to the doctor and my heart rate and blood pressure was really good, I think my BP was 110/70.
Is there any studies or something to show the effects of eating too many bananas? Not just some doctors saying its bad
I think heyyitskait was referring to eating too much potassium. Bananas don't actually contain a particularly strange amount of potassium though, that's a bit of an old wive's tale. Most fruits, beans, spinach, avocados, potatoes... contain more potassium than bananas. Unless you're dealing with kidney disease, you'd probably be fine.
One guy goes by the name Durian Rider and his girlfriend Freelee. They are both very healthy and very athletic. Durian is a beast when it comes to running and cycling. Like a year ago he challenged any cyclist to log more miles in one month and nobody could beat him, including pros. He also wins pretty much every 5k or 10k race he enters. Freelee who is also a very good athlete has written several books on the frugivore lifestyle. They both have a ton of videos about all of this. They're both currently trying to get on Dr Oz in some competition. I also live by this guy Mike Vlasity who eats a ton of bananas and is stronger than anybody I've known for his size. He also has a YouTube channel where he shares some personal info. He weighs under 150 lbs and benches twice his body weight and dead lifts three times his body weight.
Michael Phelps eats the entire Waffle House menu for breakfast, doesn't necessarily mean eating eight pizzas before going for a swim is right for an average office dweller. If someone is an athlete in peak condition, training several hours each day, they're going to be in phenomenal shape as long as they're eating nutritious food. They could switch between any number of diets and still achieve their goals.
By no means am I trying to be perfect or do I think anybody should be. But from my experience with nutrition the raw vegans who consume mostly fruit are by far the healthiest. I know I felt my best on this diet. I went to the doctor and my heart rate and blood pressure was really good, I think my BP was 110/70.
It'd be unusual for a young person eating a diet high in fruits / vegetables to have high blood pressure though... Raw veganism is an extreme diet, the people with the discipline to follow it most likely also exercise, sleep properly, avoid junk foods, etc... You could achieve similar results with a different diet, so long as you followed it strictly. I don't have a problem with being vegan, I just don't view it as a band-aid, there are still "junk food vegans", I'm sure someone would find a way to be a "junk food frugivore".
Is there any studies or something to show the effects of eating too many bananas? Not just some doctors saying its bad
I think heyyitskait was referring to eating too much potassium. Bananas don't actually contain a particularly strange amount of potassium though, that's a bit of an old wive's tale. Most fruits, beans, spinach, avocados, potatoes... contain more potassium than bananas. Unless you're dealing with kidney disease, you'd probably be fine.
One guy goes by the name Durian Rider and his girlfriend Freelee. They are both very healthy and very athletic. Durian is a beast when it comes to running and cycling. Like a year ago he challenged any cyclist to log more miles in one month and nobody could beat him, including pros. He also wins pretty much every 5k or 10k race he enters. Freelee who is also a very good athlete has written several books on the frugivore lifestyle. They both have a ton of videos about all of this. They're both currently trying to get on Dr Oz in some competition. I also live by this guy Mike Vlasity who eats a ton of bananas and is stronger than anybody I've known for his size. He also has a YouTube channel where he shares some personal info. He weighs under 150 lbs and benches twice his body weight and dead lifts three times his body weight.
Michael Phelps eats the entire Waffle House menu for breakfast, doesn't necessarily mean eating eight pizzas before going for a swim is right for an average office dweller. If someone is an athlete in peak condition, training several hours each day, they're going to be in phenomenal shape as long as they're eating nutritious food. They could switch between any number of diets and still achieve their goals.
By no means am I trying to be perfect or do I think anybody should be. But from my experience with nutrition the raw vegans who consume mostly fruit are by far the healthiest. I know I felt my best on this diet. I went to the doctor and my heart rate and blood pressure was really good, I think my BP was 110/70.
It'd be unusual for a young person eating a diet high in fruits / vegetables to have high blood pressure though... Raw veganism is an extreme diet, the people with the discipline to follow it most likely also exercise, sleep properly, avoid junk foods, etc... You could achieve similar results with a different diet, so long as you followed it strictly. I don't have a problem with being vegan, I just don't view it as a band-aid, there are still "junk food vegans", I'm sure someone would find a way to be a "junk food frugivore".
Exactly, I believe potatoes have more potassium than bananas and I'd go out on a limb and say more potatoes are consumed than bananas.
Top athletes such as Phelps who eat a ton of calories because they burn a ton and are obviously in great shape, I wonder how their organs are functioning and the overall effects besides just physical appearance. Eating 10,000+ calories of basically garbage foods have to be causing some damage regardless of burning off those calories.
I definitely agree, there are healthy and unhealthy individuals for any diet. I mean, Oreo cookies are vegan, lol. As for junk food frugivore, I think that might actually be impossible. The diet consists of raw fruit and veggies. When I was strict(raw vegan) it seemed I could eat myself sick and not gain weight. No calorie restrictions whatsoever. I know Dr Doug Graham's 80/10/10 diet is only unprocessed plants with no oils or even seasoning, just ripe, organic, raw, fruits and veggies. I don't know of there could be a way to make that unhealthy.
I think my current diet is fairly healthy. I have seafood and dairy occasionally and have some drinks on the weekend. Other than that I stick to smoothies, salads, juicing, and steamed veggies. The hard part for me is I love food so whenever I go on vacation I eat and drink at a very unhealthy rate, lol. In 5 days in Mexico I gained at least 10 lbs.
Post by bansheebeat on Apr 10, 2014 21:18:37 GMT -5
Holy hell. I went on my first run since leaving this morning. 80 degrees at 7:30 am. Then I got lost and my 4 mile run turned into an 8 mile run. Plus my lungs where NOT ready for this pollution. This is gonna be rough.
Well no wonder, we ordered room service for 8. Should have gone up to the top of the Ixmoja pyramid with us. I lost 3 lbs that trip. Despite the coladas and the bottle of wine the waiter left me when Whore told them I was a drunk.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Eating fat doesn't make you fat. Eating more calories than you burn makes you fat.
I eat paleo and I have significantly more energy than my peers. Lack of energy comes from lack of sleep. Many people compensate for tiredness with diets high in sugar, carbs and caffeine. It is a vicious cycle, they get more tired, so are up later finishing tasks, so eat more junk, so get less sleep, etc...
Fat is good for you. I'm not saying to eat a Big Mac, but natural fats are nutritious. As far as gorillas, while there is one species that eats a heavy fruit diet, quite a few barely eat fruit, and subsist largely on plant matter and insects. We are not the only species with an odd diet relative. There are closely related parrot species where one lives on fruit, and another lives on seeds and plants. I wouldn't personally advocate a fruitivore diet.
Calories are not created equal. That's something that a lot of people fail to realize. Lack of energy comes from lack of sugar. Of course sleep is important, the same as exercise(move it or lose it). I know some people on a Paleo diet that are fit but they drink coffee daily. Obviously we're not all the same so we'll have different results. I agree, fat is good for you and important for brain function. Avocados and nuts are a great source but too much can definitely make you fat, same as protein. I can eat 20-30 pieces of fruit a day and not gain any weight and be supercharged full of energy. I know a decent amount of frugivores(mainly fruit diet) and they are ridiculous fit, not one is over weight and they eat 20-30 pieces of fruit for a meal. Personally I've messed around with a ton of different diets and find that a mostly fruit diet gives me the best results. I find that meat bogs me down and dairy makes me feel like crap. Humans are alkaline animals so I try to consume a mostly alkaline diet. A healthy PH level will prevent most if not all diseases.
Do whats best for you but I would highly recommend at least experimenting with a high fruit diet, the results may surprise you.
I agree with you that each person reacts differently to various diets. Just as we react differently to various medicines, are allergic to different things etc. What works for some does not work for others. And, unfortunately for all of us, it depends on your school of thought on what you think a healthy, or proper diet for humans is, and one can find research to back most of those ideas. It makes it hard to discern if there truly is a "proper" diet for human consumption at this point in our evolution.
Those who advocate higher protein diets will also tell you all calories are not created equal, only with the opposite argument as you. I personally do much better when I stick to a lower carb/higher protein/higher fat diet. I weigh less, I have more energy, I feel better, my cholesterol is lower. And when I do partake in a higher carb diet, I gain weight, especially water weight, like a sponge. I won't get into the research supporting this way of eating, because I can easily find research that supports your ideas as well, and in fact have been considering reducing animal products in my diet again.
I will say, as we have been exploring various alternatives to slow down Whore's cancer, two diets have shown the most convincing evidence in their effectiveness. One being vegan/juicing based, and the other a ketogenic diet. Completely opposite in nature. To avoid writing a novella, I won't get into how each causes different metabolic, immune system and cancer cell response.
Now, one thing that puzzles me is the alkaline diet, which is also promoted for cancer treatment, as well as disease prevention. Mike originally tried to follow an alkaline diet, as an alt med clinic had advised to him. Maybe you know a bit more that you can share with me. I've read multiple articles, but I don't understand what one is trying to keep alkalotic when using this diet. Our bodies naturally keep our blood slightly basic via various metabolic and respiratory processes, food doesn't really change this at all, unless you are say diabetic and eat a ton of carbs and send yourself into DKA. 7.35-7.45. Anything lower than 7.35 is considered acidotic for blood and it generally means something is really wrong (even though for most solutions is below 7, if your blood ever reaches that level, you're pretty much fucked in a big way. I've yet to see anyone below 7 make it out of the unit alive). Of course the stomach is very acidic so it can digest food properly. Connective and intestinal fluids are basic unless something is amiss. And urine ranges from acidic to basic, as it is reflective of just how effective our body is at trying to regulating its own pH. They wanted him to test his blood and urine. Blood should never deviate beyond basic, and urine will fluctuate a bit. Perhaps you can direct me to some specific information regarding the matter that addresses this.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Calories are not created equal. That's something that a lot of people fail to realize. Lack of energy comes from lack of sugar. Of course sleep is important, the same as exercise(move it or lose it). I know some people on a Paleo diet that are fit but they drink coffee daily. Obviously we're not all the same so we'll have different results. I agree, fat is good for you and important for brain function. Avocados and nuts are a great source but too much can definitely make you fat, same as protein. I can eat 20-30 pieces of fruit a day and not gain any weight and be supercharged full of energy. I know a decent amount of frugivores(mainly fruit diet) and they are ridiculous fit, not one is over weight and they eat 20-30 pieces of fruit for a meal. Personally I've messed around with a ton of different diets and find that a mostly fruit diet gives me the best results. I find that meat bogs me down and dairy makes me feel like crap. Humans are alkaline animals so I try to consume a mostly alkaline diet. A healthy PH level will prevent most if not all diseases.
Do whats best for you but I would highly recommend at least experimenting with a high fruit diet, the results may surprise you.
I agree with you that each person reacts differently to various diets. Just as we react differently to various medicines, are allergic to different things etc. What works for some does not work for others. And, unfortunately for all of us, it depends on your school of thought on what you think a healthy, or proper diet for humans is, and one can find research to back most of those ideas. It makes it hard to discern if there truly is a "proper" diet for human consumption at this point in our evolution.
Those who advocate higher protein diets will also tell you all calories are not created equal, only with the opposite argument as you. I personally do much better when I stick to a lower carb/higher protein/higher fat diet. I weigh less, I have more energy, I feel better, my cholesterol is lower. And when I do partake in a higher carb diet, I gain weight, especially water weight, like a sponge. I won't get into the research supporting this way of eating, because I can easily find research that supports your ideas as well, and in fact have been considering reducing animal products in my diet again.
I will say, as we have been exploring various alternatives to slow down Whore's cancer, two diets have shown the most convincing evidence in their effectiveness. One being vegan/juicing based, and the other a ketogenic diet. Completely opposite in nature. To avoid writing a novella, I won't get into how each causes different metabolic, immune system and cancer cell response.
Now, one thing that puzzles me is the alkaline diet, which is also promoted for cancer treatment, as well as disease prevention. Mike originally tried to follow an alkaline diet, as an alt med clinic had advised to him. Maybe you know a bit more that you can share with me. I've read multiple articles, but I don't understand what one is trying to keep alkalotic when using this diet. Our bodies naturally keep our blood slightly basic via various metabolic and respiratory processes, food doesn't really change this at all, unless you are say diabetic and eat a ton of carbs and send yourself into DKA. 7.35-7.45. Anything lower than 7.35 is considered acidotic for blood and it generally means something is really wrong (even though for most solutions is below 7, if your blood ever reaches that level, you're pretty much fucked in a big way. I've yet to see anyone below 7 make it out of the unit alive). Of course the stomach is very acidic so it can digest food properly. Connective and intestinal fluids are basic unless something is amiss. And urine ranges from acidic to basic, as it is reflective of just how effective our body is at trying to regulating its own pH. They wanted him to test his blood and urine. Blood should never deviate beyond basic, and urine will fluctuate a bit. Perhaps you can direct me to some specific information regarding the matter that addresses this.
There's a book called "the China Study" which discusses the connection between diet and heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. This was the largest study conducted in modern history. There's a watered down documentary version pertaining to this called "forks over knives". The basic sum is that acidic foods help cancer cells grow and when they're not being consumed the cancer cells stop growing and will eventually shrink. Genetics, although may make an individual more prone to certain illnesses or diseases, do not determine ones outcome. An example, if my grandmother had breast cancer, my mother had breast cancer, that doesn't mean my sister will have breast cancer. The link in most cases are diet. Although my sister might be more prone than others, if she avoids acidic foods such as meat, dairy, alcohol, etc., her odds of getting breast cancer are little to none. An easier way to put it, if a family has a history of obesity, that doesn't mean a healthy diet can't prevent or change that for the individual. Most diseases in fact can't be prevented or reversed when acidic foods are avoided.
I don't knock people for eating whatever they want because I eat what I want and we all have our preferences. From a scientific stand point, humans having nothing in common with carnivores or even omnivores. Humans do not digest meat properly. Physiologically every thing about us is different from our teeth, to our digestive tract, even to the way we walk. Meat eaters teeth are spaced out so meat doesn't get caught in between and they are pointy. We have flat broad teeth in common with herbivores. If we tried to bight into a an animals hide our teeth would fall out, not to mention the fact that it would be very hard to chase down any pray. Our jaws have the ability to move up, down, and side to side so we can chew our food properly, same as herbivores. Meat eaters do not chew their food, they simply tear and swallow. Most people that die from choking die choking on meat. Meat eaters in the wild do not. Meat eaters have acidic saliva so as soon as meat enters their mouth it starts being digested. We have alkaline saliva, same as herbivores. If humans were naturally supposed to eat meat we would enjoy bloody animals, although some get used to the sight of blood and guts, it's not natural. We wouldn't need to cook and season our meat if it was out natural food. When a meat eater kills an animal they lap up the blood. A meat eaters stomach has a PH level of 1 which is equivalent to battery acid, it's very strong to properly digest meat. Our stomach, although is also acidic, is much weaker at around a PH of 4, not efficient at digesting meat. Meat eaters intestines are much shorter than ours and they have a very basic colon. This is so the meat can move quickly through the body. When we eat meat it actually rots and decays in our digestive tract creating a very toxic environment. It also gets caught up in our very complex colon which is actually used for getting the nutrients from plants. In turn the decaying meat in our body creates diseases such as colon cancer, stomach cancer, pancreatic cancer, etc. Think about this, take some meat, cooked or uncooked, and enclose it in a bag and put it in 98.6 tempature for a day or two then open it up. Do the same with plants. There will be a huge difference.
There are a lot of things that will change once meat and dairy are given up. No more morning breath. When the meat is decaying in our bodies it creates ammonia which is what causes morning breath. When my wife and I stopped eating meat we definitely noticed the difference. Your poop will change. When I was strict with my diet my poop was very clean and did not stink. I didn't even have to wipe because there was no reason. Of course I did anyway to make sure, lol, but the paper was always clean. People that have tried this diet know what I mean by no smell. It's gross but when you go into a bathroom after a meat eater has used it you know right away. These are only a few examples, there are a lot more.
When it comes to dairy there is no reason to consume it past being an infant. There is also no reason to consume milk from another animal because milk is different from species to species. The dairy industry chose cows because they're large, easy to breed, and easy to control. Eating cheese is just a very concentrated form of milk. Dairy is also the number cancer causing food that is consumed on a regular basis by humans, especially Americans. It also leads to osteoporosis, which is why America who drinks the most milk also lead the world in osteoporosis. Calcium, which is what we need for strong bones, comes from the cows diet of greens. When we get it from a cow it's acidic. If we cut out the middle man and just eat leafy greens we're getting The calcium from the natural source. The same goes with fish oil. People are tricked into thinking it's a good source of Omegas when actually the fish are getting it from seaweed. Same principal, cut out the middle man for healthy Omegas. The crazy thing is most cows are fed grain now so the calcium is fortified into the milk. Same with the fish. Farm raised fish are fed grains so the omegas are fortified into the oil.
Again, to each there own. I don't have qualms with anybody's diet. Do whatever makes you happy. Even though I know cheese is terrible for me I still eat it occasionally. Although I gave up most meat I still consume some seafood too. I also drink alcohol so by no means am I trying to be perfect, but if I ever get really sick I'll definitely make some changes in my lifestyle.
If you want some more info or testimonies on reversing cancer or other diseases, there's plenty of info on the web. The Gerson Miracle is a free documentary about it. I've personally lost friends and family to cancer and other diseases. I've also met 3 people who were told that their cancer wasn't curable and they are still alive because they changed their diets and decided against chemo, radiation, and/or surgery. It's sad because these practices are more well known outside of our country because the drug industry made these treatments illegal for obvious reasons.
The fact of the matter pertaining to cancer treatment is a lot of money is being put into research for a cure. You'd think by now they'd find one, the problem is they're looking into chemicals and synthetic crap. Since we're animals not robots the natural approach makes the most sense to me. Chemo would be great if it only attacked the bad cells, but it's not the case. Same as radiation. They're goal is to poison all the cells and hope the sick cells die and enough healthy cells remain. I've watched a decent amount of people only start to get really sick when their treatment starts. I have a friend that got into a car accident and after some testing they determined he had cancer in his arm. He was perfectly healthy at the time. He started chemo and within a very short time became very sick. He was lucky enough to survive the treatments. There is a very low success rate with these practices and a very high success rate with the natural route. There's a great book by the author Andreas Moritz "cancer is not a disease, it's a survival mechanism". I didn't read the entire book but what I did was very eye opening and made perfect sense. You can get it on Amazon.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Apr 11, 2014 8:39:48 GMT -5
Yeah. The reason I always consider reducing animal products is the China Study. But, as stated, I always find the opposite argument compelling as well
We did Gerson for a bit. I'm on my iPhone, so can't link, but look at Ketogenic diets and cancer. Interesting stuff there as well. This high fat/mod protein/super low carb diet void of virtually all fruits, starches etc, is currently being studied by the medical community as a legitate cancer fighting diet. Cancer thrives on glucose, unlike healthy cells, which can survive effectively on ketones (even most brain cells, and our bodies can turn protein into glucose for the remaining). So there is strong evidence of cancer tumor shrinkage in those who drastically reduce their carbs and increase fat intake. It is also a diet recommended for epileptic children who continue to seize despite meds.
Our bodies are fascinating. Especially how adaptable they are. We wrecked ourselves when we introduced processed foods into our diets. The common thread of all of these diets, which all show promise in disease control and health, is that they are pretty much void, or drastically reduce processed foods--the devils of the western diet. Paleo, vegan, Ketogenic, whole foods based, Gerson. From the nearly exclusively carnivorous traditional Inuit diet, to those studies in the China Study, there is a significantly lower incidence of chronic illness and cancer than they is in the Western diet.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
The fact of the matter pertaining to cancer treatment is a lot of money is being put into research for a cure. You'd think by now they'd find one, the problem is they're looking into chemicals and synthetic crap. Since we're animals not robots the natural approach makes the most sense to me. Chemo would be great if it only attacked the bad cells, but it's not the case. Same as radiation. They're goal is to poison all the cells and hope the sick cells die and enough healthy cells remain. I've watched a decent amount of people only start to get really sick when their treatment starts. I have a friend that got into a car accident and after some testing they determined he had cancer in his arm. He was perfectly healthy at the time. He started chemo and within a very short time became very sick. He was lucky enough to survive the treatments. There is a very low success rate with these practices and a very high success rate with the natural route. There's a great book by the author Andreas Moritz "cancer is not a disease, it's a survival mechanism". I didn't read the entire book but what I did was very eye opening and made perfect sense. You can get it on Amazon.
Cancer is a category of disease, saying "a cure for cancer" is like saying "a cure for viruses". For example, there are over a dozen types of cancer that could be called "breast cancer". We do have effective treatments for many types of cancers, others we still have a ways to go before survival rates get higher.
People get sick from chemo because that's how chemo works. The "TL;DR" explanation is that cancer cells accumulate the toxic chemicals faster, and therefore will be poisoned before the healthy cells. That doesn't mean chemo is ineffective, it just underlies how difficult it is to treat some types of cancer. Prior to the discovery of chemotherapy, radiation treatment, etc... the 5-year survival rate for cancer was under 10%. The current survival rate is over 65% (http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/all.html#survival). Back in the 20s and 30s, there used to be tons of quack doctors who promised cures, because there really was no hope once you had cancer. That still happens, because cancer is such a scary thing for people.
Cancer isn't anything new or magical. It wasn't created by our modern, synthetic culture. Sadly, like heart disease, it's something that the ancient Egyptians documented. Ancient Egypt had a diet consisting of grains, fruit, vegetables, fish and small amounts of dairy, all grown without pesticides or chemical fertilizers. It really isn't an issue of "natural" versus "unnatural" (which would get odd anyway, I mean, arsenic is natural, so is radon gas) so much as just how complex living organism are, and how much can go wrong.
celestiaequestria thanks for the tips! I've got the Mexican foods down - fajitas/burritos/etc and chili are just about the only two healthy meals that I regularly cook. I'm having burritos for lunch today, actually (and I've got my peppers and onions )
The reason I don't do raw veggies is because they WILL sit and go bad. I've tried before, thinking that it would force me to cook them and eat healthier so that I wouldn't waste my money. It didn't work lol. Buying the bags of frozen steamable veggies is the baby step I'm on now (not the sodium-laden "meal in a bag" type though). The fact that I'm only cooking for myself makes it difficult too. I do leftovers, but making leftover veggies seem appealing to me is even harder than fresh veggies lol. I'm trying though!
And I'll have to try artichokes. I don't know if I've ever actually had an artichoke before.
i do a smoothie every morning with strawberries, blueberries, banana, honey, almond milk, and two huge handfuls of a spinach/kale/chard mix. i have a hard time with veggies on their own too, so i sometimes also throw in carrot and celery. that way i start every day with a serving of greens and you can barely taste it.
i love doing kabobs on the grill - squash, zucchini, pineapple, tomatoes, all kinds of pepppers, etc. SO easy, and you can brush olive oil on them and spice them any way you like.
this isn't the healthiest recipe on earth, but it's not too bad if you aren't being extreme (or if you want to just cheat a little), and if you fresh squeeze the OJ you're probably in pretty good shape. It's one of my favorite things ever.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
(even most brain cells, and our bodies can turn protein into glucose for the remaining).
I was always taught that when the body starts turning protein into energy, you're treading on dangerous territory. But I was also taught this from a sports medicine & nutrition point of view. Breaking down protein leaves that nitrogenous group to float around, form ammonia and causes your liver/kidneys to work harder.
celestiaequestria thanks for the tips! I've got the Mexican foods down - fajitas/burritos/etc and chili are just about the only two healthy meals that I regularly cook. I'm having burritos for lunch today, actually (and I've got my peppers and onions )
The reason I don't do raw veggies is because they WILL sit and go bad. I've tried before, thinking that it would force me to cook them and eat healthier so that I wouldn't waste my money. It didn't work lol. Buying the bags of frozen steamable veggies is the baby step I'm on now (not the sodium-laden "meal in a bag" type though). The fact that I'm only cooking for myself makes it difficult too. I do leftovers, but making leftover veggies seem appealing to me is even harder than fresh veggies lol. I'm trying though!
And I'll have to try artichokes. I don't know if I've ever actually had an artichoke before.
i do a smoothie every morning with strawberries, blueberries, banana, honey, almond milk, and two huge handfuls of a spinach/kale/chard mix. i have a hard time with veggies on their own too, so i sometimes also throw in carrot and celery. that way i start every day with a serving of greens and you can barely taste it.
So I haven't ventured to smoothies yet but I'd like to start trying. Do you make the smoothies every morning? Or are they something that could be made the night before and kept in the fridge til morning? I'm a lazy butt in the morning, and the idea of having to create something that early is not appealing.
i do a smoothie every morning with strawberries, blueberries, banana, honey, almond milk, and two huge handfuls of a spinach/kale/chard mix. i have a hard time with veggies on their own too, so i sometimes also throw in carrot and celery. that way i start every day with a serving of greens and you can barely taste it.
Do you make the smoothies every morning? Or are they something that could be made the night before and kept in the fridge til morning?
Yeah. The reason I always consider reducing animal products is the China Study. But, as stated, I always find the opposite argument compelling as well
We did Gerson for a bit. I'm on my iPhone, so can't link, but look at Ketogenic diets and cancer. Interesting stuff there as well. This high fat/mod protein/super low carb diet void of virtually all fruits, starches etc, is currently being studied by the medical community as a legitate cancer fighting diet. Cancer thrives on glucose, unlike healthy cells, which can survive effectively on ketones (even most brain cells, and our bodies can turn protein into glucose for the remaining). So there is strong evidence of cancer tumor shrinkage in those who drastically reduce their carbs and increase fat intake. It is also a diet recommended for epileptic children who continue to seize despite meds.
Our bodies are fascinating. Especially how adaptable they are. We wrecked ourselves when we introduced processed foods into our diets. The common thread of all of these diets, which all show promise in disease control and health, is that they are pretty much void, or drastically reduce processed foods--the devils of the western diet. Paleo, vegan, Ketogenic, whole foods based, Gerson. From the nearly exclusively carnivorous traditional Inuit diet, to those studies in the China Study, there is a significantly lower incidence of chronic illness and cancer than they is in the Western diet.
Check out this video. This guy has ton of different videos that are very educational and free on his YouTube channel.
i do a smoothie every morning with strawberries, blueberries, banana, honey, almond milk, and two huge handfuls of a spinach/kale/chard mix. i have a hard time with veggies on their own too, so i sometimes also throw in carrot and celery. that way i start every day with a serving of greens and you can barely taste it.
So I haven't ventured to smoothies yet but I'd like to start trying. Do you make the smoothies every morning? Or are they something that could be made the night before and kept in the fridge til morning? I'm a lazy butt in the morning, and the idea of having to create something that early is not appealing.
i do make them every morning (unless i'm insanely late or we're out of food) for gf and me. it never takes me more than 10 min to make them and she gets up later so i set hers in the fridge until she's ready to go. i use frozen fruit so i'm not cutting tops off strawberries and it helps with the consistency since i'm not doing yogurt right now on this paleo kick.
i have a friend that makes them at night and she enjoys them, but i would say it's less than ideal bc i'm sure the nutrients degrade over time. she does store them in glass jars and tries to fill them as much as possible so as little air gets to them as possible.
Post by burberry142 on Apr 11, 2014 13:57:48 GMT -5
in other news, i've made it through cake, cookie, brownie, and candy-filled events at the library without breaking!
i'm hosting our last event of the week tonight and since i've been so good...and also since i neglected to pack a solid dinner...i'm going to have a treat yo self moment and enjoy a (1) slice of free pizza.
Post by celestiaequestria on Apr 11, 2014 14:03:22 GMT -5
Let's get real for a second.
-There are cancers caused by bacteria. -There are cancers caused by viruses. -There are cancers caused by chemical exposure. -There are cancers caused by radiation exposure. -There are cancers caused by genetics. -There are cancers caused by aging-related damage. -There are cancers caused by sun exposure. -There are cancers caused by agents present in soil.
The perfect, most ideal diet in the world *still will not remove all of the vectors for cancer*. Dr. Morse's claims are wild mis-interpretations of reality at best, and at worse outright fabrications. Chemotherapy is not "acids which melt your healthy cells". Radiation therapy is not dosing your entire body with radiation and triggering all of your healthy cells to become cancerous. I promise you, no matter how perfect your diet, no matter how many bad things you avoid, no matter how many days you spend in the gym, you will still have the potential to develop cancer. The reality is, our bodies are far from perfect systems, our diet is an accidental byproduct of our environment, and we have quite a few "adaptations" which work against us long-term.
Dr. Morse is someone who benefits from our natural fear of death and disease, by promising us that everyone else is wrong, and maybe if you drink this glass of juice, things will get better. I'm sorry, I really deeply and truly wish that were true. I would give anything in the world to be able to make what he says true, but it just isn't. Cancer isn't fair. It isn't kind. It doesn't just happen to the people who "deserve it". It happens to kids. It happens to people who never smoked, drank or ate red meat. It happens to the young and the old. It's an awful, terrible and frightening thing. But there is hope, and people do survive it, but it's just not as simple as Dr. Morse would like to make it.
You should have a healthy diet for more than just fear of death though, you should have a healthy diet so you can enjoy *life*. Eat what lets you be active and enjoy the days you do have, eat what lets you avoid becoming so overweight, weak and unhealthy that you spend the last 40 years of your life in front of the TV. Eat to live.
-There are cancers caused by bacteria. -There are cancers caused by viruses. -There are cancers caused by chemical exposure. -There are cancers caused by radiation exposure. -There are cancers caused by genetics. -There are cancers caused by aging-related damage. -There are cancers caused by sun exposure. -There are cancers caused by agents present in soil.
The perfect, most ideal diet in the world *still will not remove all of the vectors for cancer*. Dr. Morse's claims are wild mis-interpretations of reality at best, and at worse outright fabrications. Chemotherapy is not "acids which melt your healthy cells". Radiation therapy is not dosing your entire body with radiation and triggering all of your healthy cells to become cancerous. I promise you, no matter how perfect your diet, no matter how many bad things you avoid, no matter how many days you spend in the gym, you will still have the potential to develop cancer. The reality is, our bodies are far from perfect systems, our diet is an accidental byproduct of our environment, and we have quite a few "adaptations" which work against us long-term.
Dr. Morse is someone who benefits from our natural fear of death and disease, by promising us that everyone else is wrong, and maybe if you drink this glass of juice, things will get better. I'm sorry, I really deeply and truly wish that were true. I would give anything in the world to be able to make what he says true, but it just isn't. Cancer isn't fair. It isn't kind. It doesn't just happen to the people who "deserve it". It happens to kids. It happens to people who never smoked, drank or ate red meat. It happens to the young and the old. It's an awful, terrible and frightening thing. But there is hope, and people do survive it, but it's just not as simple as Dr. Morse would like to make it.
You should have a healthy diet for more than just fear of death though, you should have a healthy diet so you can enjoy *life*. Eat what lets you be active and enjoy the days you do have, eat what lets you avoid becoming so overweight, weak and unhealthy that you spend the last 40 years of your life in front of the TV. Eat to live.
Although I respect you're opinion, I strongly disagree. I've learned a lot from just watching his videos and this guy definitely knows what he's talking about. He's been healing people for 40 plus years and there are a lot of testimonies to back it up. To judge his knowledge based on one 30+ minute video is silly. He never said "maybe if you drink a glass of juice things will get better". He's a licensed physician and has his own clinic. He just chooses to heal people naturally, which has a much higher success rate. Facts are facts, he's not the one who's killing millions a year with chemicals. I think he hits the nail right on the head, people are too caught up in the bs that is shoved down our throats by modern medicine, and people are only getting sicker. It would be one thing if cancer rates and other illnesses were dropping, but they are sadly multiplying. Look at how many hospitals are out there, and clinics, and medical schools, yet more and more people are sick and dying at a rapid pace. When I was a kid cancer seemed kind of rare, now it's everywhere. The problem is that doctors are being taught the same basic methods, even though they have a high failure rate. Of course I'm referring to the medicine side of it.
Dr Robert Morse also preaches love and to enjoy life, he's not a fear mongerer. He's just trying to wake people up to realize that there is a solution and not to be fooled by what's being force fed by modern medicine. You don't have to watch many of his videos to realize that this guy has our best interests at heart and he has the knowledge to help.