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Another reason to hate Skylar: she calls the intervention, tells everyone to say whatever is on their mind (with the talking pillow), and then flips outs when Marie (and then Hank) say Walt should be able to make his own choice.
Yea, that always bugged me. She flips out when things don't go exactly how she wants them to.
Another reason to hate Skylar: she calls the intervention, tells everyone to say whatever is on their mind (with the talking pillow), and then flips outs when Marie (and then Hank) say Walt should be able to make his own choice.
Yea, that always bugged me. She flips out when things don't go exactly how she wants them to.
BETTER CALL SAUL REVIEW: THE LAST HURRAH OF DIFFICULT MEN
"I'll just say it: The first few episodes that I saw are better than Breaking Bad. They are smarter. They are sharper. I have never seen a prequel handled so cleverly."
Walt is portrayed as the anti-hero so we're going to side with him more. I don't feel sexist for disliking Skylar. She had some great moments but when I re-watched the first season a little while ago (after having grown to really hate her) I started to feel like I really understood why. In the first few episodes it's not so much that he's lying to her....she doesn't even really know yet. But it's more about how before his diagnosis she was the person in charge. She wore the pants in the family. She forced Walt to eat veggie bacon on his birthday and would basically control most of their family life. It was after Walt stopped listening to her and started to rebel a bit that she really didn't like. I distinctly remember not liking her and the way she talked to Walt at the breakfast/dinner table. She seemed to emasculate him and was more annoyed that she couldn't control his life anymore. I especially felt that way when she was trying to force him to do chemo and set up the intervention about it when he just wanted to deal with it his own way. I get that she was doing it out of love but there was a connection to the way that she controlled most aspects of their lives before the show started.
Someone liked my comment from a year ago, which brought me back to this thread again. I feel like I should respond.
You can't blame Skylar for seeming to control Walt's life. Walt is in control of his own life. If he allowed her to control his life and tell him what to do, that is on Walt to let her know that he is not going to allow that to happen. She wasn't verbally abusive or physically abusive. I'm just saying - Walt was the shell of a man that he was because he allowed himself to be that way.
After watching Talking Bad, my predictions for how the series ends are as follows: I think that Walt was kidding himself when he thought he could create an international drug empire and just simply walk away. I think that there will be a lot of conflict between Walt and Hank for at least the next few episodes, but in the end it is the repercussions of leaving the business that will haunt him the most. I think that he needs the M60 to take on a lot of people (I doubt that he needs it to take on the police). I feel like in the end his identity is compromised because of the condemned home and the spray painted "Heisenberg" in the living room. In the end, I think that a lot of major characters are going to die, probably close family members. I think Walt is coming back with the gun to get revenge. I feel like he won't kill Jessie, but instead he either saves Jessie or avenges Jessie in some way. My final comment is that I think he goes out in the end just like Scarface, in a flurry of bullets.
(I also posted this verbatim on my Facebook)
Wow. I was pretty damn close to being right about all this.
Walt is portrayed as the anti-hero so we're going to side with him more. I don't feel sexist for disliking Skylar. She had some great moments but when I re-watched the first season a little while ago (after having grown to really hate her) I started to feel like I really understood why. In the first few episodes it's not so much that he's lying to her....she doesn't even really know yet. But it's more about how before his diagnosis she was the person in charge. She wore the pants in the family. She forced Walt to eat veggie bacon on his birthday and would basically control most of their family life. It was after Walt stopped listening to her and started to rebel a bit that she really didn't like. I distinctly remember not liking her and the way she talked to Walt at the breakfast/dinner table. She seemed to emasculate him and was more annoyed that she couldn't control his life anymore. I especially felt that way when she was trying to force him to do chemo and set up the intervention about it when he just wanted to deal with it his own way. I get that she was doing it out of love but there was a connection to the way that she controlled most aspects of their lives before the show started.
Someone liked my comment from a year ago, which brought me back to this thread again. I feel like I should respond.
You can't blame Skylar for seeming to control Walt's life. Walt is in control of his own life. If he allowed her to control his life and tell him what to do, that is on Walt to let her know that he is not going to allow that to happen. She wasn't verbally abusive or physically abusive. I'm just saying - Walt was the shell of a man that he was because he allowed himself to be that way.
That reasoning can easily go into an uncontrolled spiral. Any relationship is a give and take where both parties affect each other. In the flashback episodes, Walt is so confident and self-assured. Think about the scene where they are looking at houses. He wants to grow bigger and she forced him into accepting what they could afford. I'm not saying she was wrong. Maybe that really was the best option for them. But I was still left with the feeling that she made that decision without regard for his input at all. And doing that constantly over time will break a person down, as it apparently did to him. But as you point out, the opposite is true too. Him letting her force him into things built up her feeling like she got to make the decisions. But then it can go back the other way. Her letting him let her make the decisions and not ever trying to encourage him to have a voice broke things down too. And so on. The condition of their relationship evolved/devolved over however many years, and they both are at fault for the way things are.
But for me, who is to blame for the way they are is not the question. The question is whether Skylar is a likeable or hateable character. To me, a woman who is satisfied with taking complete control over her husband's life and single-handedly making all of the important decisions in their relationship, regardless of her husband's contribution to the situation, is not a likeable character. At all.
But I also don't really think that Walt is a likeable character at any point in the series either.
Someone liked my comment from a year ago, which brought me back to this thread again. I feel like I should respond.
You can't blame Skylar for seeming to control Walt's life. Walt is in control of his own life. If he allowed her to control his life and tell him what to do, that is on Walt to let her know that he is not going to allow that to happen. She wasn't verbally abusive or physically abusive. I'm just saying - Walt was the shell of a man that he was because he allowed himself to be that way.
That reasoning can easily go into an uncontrolled spiral. Any relationship is a give and take where both parties affect each other. In the flashback episodes, Walt is so confident and self-assured. Think about the scene where they are looking at houses. He wants to grow bigger and she forced him into accepting what they could afford. I'm not saying she was wrong. Maybe that really was the best option for them. But I was still left with the feeling that she made that decision without regard for his input at all. And doing that constantly over time will break a person down, as it apparently did to him. But as you point out, the opposite is true too. Him letting her force him into things built up her feeling like she got to make the decisions. But then it can go back the other way. Her letting him let her make the decisions and not ever trying to encourage him to have a voice broke things down too. And so on. The condition of their relationship evolved/devolved over however many years, and they both are at fault for the way things are.
But for me, who is to blame for the way they are is not the question. The question is whether Skylar is a likeable or hateable character. To me, a woman who is satisfied with taking complete control over her husband's life and single-handedly making all of the important decisions in their relationship, regardless of her husband's contribution to the situation, is not a likeable character. At all.
But I also don't really think that Walt is a likeable character at any point in the series either.
The same could be said about a man who will not stand up to his wife. That man can also be considered an unlikeable person. I felt sorry for him that he had a kid with a disability. I feel sorry that he got cancer. I feel sorry that he had to work two jobs, both of which were beneath his abilities and he got no respect.
However, you have to take control of the things you can control. If his marriage dynamic was an issue, he should've done something to change that. He didn't have to settle for a high school chemistry teacher position if he had bigger dreams. He is responsible for allowing his life to slip into the realm of mediocrity. This wasn't some physically or mentally disabled man. He had every ability to get himself out of the controllable parts of his life.
That reasoning can easily go into an uncontrolled spiral. Any relationship is a give and take where both parties affect each other. In the flashback episodes, Walt is so confident and self-assured. Think about the scene where they are looking at houses. He wants to grow bigger and she forced him into accepting what they could afford. I'm not saying she was wrong. Maybe that really was the best option for them. But I was still left with the feeling that she made that decision without regard for his input at all. And doing that constantly over time will break a person down, as it apparently did to him. But as you point out, the opposite is true too. Him letting her force him into things built up her feeling like she got to make the decisions. But then it can go back the other way. Her letting him let her make the decisions and not ever trying to encourage him to have a voice broke things down too. And so on. The condition of their relationship evolved/devolved over however many years, and they both are at fault for the way things are.
But for me, who is to blame for the way they are is not the question. The question is whether Skylar is a likeable or hateable character. To me, a woman who is satisfied with taking complete control over her husband's life and single-handedly making all of the important decisions in their relationship, regardless of her husband's contribution to the situation, is not a likeable character. At all.
But I also don't really think that Walt is a likeable character at any point in the series either.
The same could be said about a man who will not stand up to his wife. That man can also be considered an unlikeable person. I felt sorry for him that he had a kid with a disability. I feel sorry that he got cancer. I feel sorry that he had to work two jobs, both of which were beneath his abilities and he got no respect.
However, you have to take control of the things you can control. If his marriage dynamic was an issue, he should've done something to change that. He didn't have to settle for a high school chemistry teacher position if he had bigger dreams. He is responsible for allowing his life to slip into the realm of mediocrity. This wasn't some physically or mentally disabled man. He had every ability to get himself out of the controllable parts of his life.
Well, the whole point of my post was that they were both to blame. So, yes, I agree that he had some culpability in the state of his life when the show begins.
Having said that, I think maybe you are a little more optimistic than I am about the extent to which we really control our own lives. Yes, ultimately, we have to take responsibility for ourselves and own our respective situations. But (1) sometimes life hands us circumstances, like Walt Jr.'s disability, that constrain our freedom in other decisions (maybe he would have left Skylar years ago, but doing so would have left Walt Jr. in a bad situation; maybe he had to take the steady teacher job in order to have health insurance to take care of Walt Jr.'s medical bills), and (2) we can't always predict the outcome of our decisions. Walt's decision to get out of Gray Matter is a good example of that. Yes, he chose to get bought out for what turned out to be a ridiculously small amount, and he's responsible for that decision, but he didn't know how bad of a decision that was at the time, and maybe he couldn't have known. I guess my point is that I agree to some extent that he's responsible for his condition, but that has to be balanced against the fact that he can't control all of the external factors that affect his decisions and that his decisions affect. And because we can't know all of those factors, it's kind of presumptuous and unfair to say that he should have just fixed it if he was unhappy.
Seriously, though, while I can appreciate entertainment for the sake of entertainment, why not consider some of the deeper meanings and implications of a tv show that's full of symbolism, philosophy, and moral quandaries?
Post by trantsgiving on Aug 24, 2019 19:25:50 GMT -5
I thought that the movie idea was a bit cliche and corny and I was hoping they’d just leave the series be but that teaser threw those feelings right out the window.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 24, 2019 19:38:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I also felt a Better Call Saul prequel show was maybe not a great idea and it's one of my favorite series of the last few years. They have said a few times that they really learned how to tell a story and ramp up tension with Breaking Bad so when they got into Saul (and assuming this movie) they were way more prepared for it.
I loved it. 10/10. (It actually has a perfect score on IMDB right now too which is shocking)
It’s so well done and reminded me how well shot the series was too. It also has all that tension where you’re trying to anticipate what’s going to happen, but can’t fully figure it out. Makes me want to do a rewatch, but I just can’t binge that show. I’ve tried to rewatch a couple of times now and never get past S1.
Post by Dave Maynar on Oct 11, 2019 8:32:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the review. I need people to watch it first. The ending of the series was so great. If the movie sucks, it could ruin my outlook on the whole series. I can't let Indiana Jones IV happen again.
I loved it. 10/10. (It actually has a perfect score on IMDB right now too which is shocking)
It’s so well done and reminded me how well shot the series was too. It also has all that tension where you’re trying to anticipate what’s going to happen, but can’t fully figure it out. Makes me want to do a rewatch, but I just can’t binge that show. I’ve tried to rewatch a couple of times now and never get past S1.
Not yet, but your review just amped me up. I forgot it was releasing today.
I rewatched it a few years ago and got through it so fast, loved it just as much the second time.
Thanks for the review. I need people to watch it first. The ending of the series was so great. If the movie sucks, it could ruin my outlook on the whole series. I can't let Indiana Jones IV happen again.
Honestly, the best way I can describe it is it feels like a much more cinematically shot episode of the show. Like, it’s 2 hours long, but it feels like watching two more episodes of the show. It won’t ruin the series for you bc it feels like a proper extension of it.
I will say that it’s been a looooong time since I’ve seen the series in it’s entirety (I’ve actually never done a rewatch, can’t handle that again yet) and I felt like I had to look some things up to remind myself of what’s going on. This picks up right where the series leaves off, so a refresher of the last couple of episodes would probably have been helpful going into it.
We did watch the series recap trailer before the movie tho, which def helpful. But an actual rewatch would’ve been better.
RIP to Robert Forrester, the guy who plays Ed, “the Disapperer”. Apparently he died yesterday, the same day as this came out. Seems fitting in a way honestly.
No spoilers, haven't watched El Camino yet, I binging BB right now, is there any reason for me to need to catch up on BCS before watching the movie?
I’ve never watched a single episode of BCS, but I kept up just fine. I will say if you’re not familiar with the ending of BB you’ll be really lost tho. Jack never watched past S3 and I had to pause and explain some stuff to him.
No spoilers, haven't watched El Camino yet, I binging BB right now, is there any reason for me to need to catch up on BCS before watching the movie?
I’ve never watched a single episode of BCS, but I kept up just fine. I will say if you’re not familiar with the ending of BB you’ll be really lost tho. Jack never watched past S3 and I had to pause and explain some stuff to him.
I’ve never watched a single episode of BCS, but I kept up just fine. I will say if you’re not familiar with the ending of BB you’ll be really lost tho. Jack never watched past S3 and I had to pause and explain some stuff to him.
Thanks for the review. I need people to watch it first. The ending of the series was so great. If the movie sucks, it could ruin my outlook on the whole series. I can't let Indiana Jones IV happen again.
It doesn’t suck. It’s really good. Maybe just a little over the top at a few moments, but otherwise it serves as a missing extended episode to the series. Very well done.
