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Post by roolacksreality on Jul 16, 2007 15:15:11 GMT -5
how people feel that 'Roo is going away from it's roots by straying away from the jam scene, getting more commercial, and losing its vibe from the idiots that just go to party.
I just wanted to say, that I'm still going to go....every year that this festival goes on. I know as long as there are "troo blue" fans like us, whom love this event and truly respect it as if it were a best friend, there will be a part of Bonnaroo that will never die.
Also, Ive been really looking into "The Secret" which deals with the law of attraction. For those of you who aren't familiar with it, in so many words the law states that whatever message or thought your mind focuses on, no matter whether or not you like it, the universe will respond in conjunction with that thought. You follow that? All-in-all, I'm just trying to point out to all the Inforoosters who didn't have a good time this year....stay positive! Your minds are transmitting your less-than-happy thoughts and the universe is responding directly.
I hope this helps to those who may need it. Every year I go to 'Roo I know that I'll have a great time, and I do. I acknowledge that the festival has changed a little, but I know it will not sop me from having fun. And as I said before, as long as there are still people like us who look forward to 'Roo every year, there will be a part of it, one of the special things that keeps me going back each year, that will never die.
Post by oleander124 on Jul 16, 2007 15:24:07 GMT -5
roolacksreality said:
All-in-all, I'm just trying to point out to all the Inforoosters who didn't have a good time this year....stay positive! Your minds are transmitting your less-than-happy thoughts and the universe is responding directly.
Nice sentiment but I'm not sure I buy into that completely.
All-in-all, I'm just trying to point out to all the Inforoosters who didn't have a good time this year....stay positive! Your minds are transmitting your less-than-happy thoughts and the universe is responding directly.
Nice sentiment but I'm not sure I buy into that completely.
I wish life worked that way - truly I do
and I did have a good time at 'roo - had a great time at 'roo BUT prolly still will not return due to factors beyond my control (aka - lack of a babysitter for that length of time)
Post by strumntheguitar on Jul 16, 2007 15:37:45 GMT -5
This was my first Roo, and it surely won't be my last. I've always looked for the positives in every experience harder than the negatives. Surely, negatives will exist and they may or may not be severe enough to ruin your time altogether, but no matter what there will always be something positive enough to where it was worth living enough. That's how I feel at least.
not to threadcrap here, and i agree that your state of mind can start some self-fulfilling prophecies and being easy-going and confident can lead to a measure of good luck (people treating you well b/c you act like you own the place, etc.), but this book, from what i've seen, is psuedoscience. i mean, staying positive is an asset, but it's not the secret to life, and the idea that your thoughts somehow change how the universe will act is somewhat ridiculous and is certainly not based on credible physics. sorry, but i hate it when people invoke science without following the scientific method. check out this article by discover magazine: discovermagazine.com/2007/jul/peer-review/?searchterm=the%20secret
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Jul 16, 2007 17:51:44 GMT -5
I think its less about staying positive having a scientifically provable gain in fortune and more that a positive outlook will leave you with more positive memories which will contribute to a more positive self in the present.
At least thats what I get from roolacks' description. I havent seen The Secret yet.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Post by roolacksreality on Jul 16, 2007 18:24:16 GMT -5
inkybod said:
not to threadcrap here, and i agree that your state of mind can start some self-fulfilling prophecies and being easy-going and confident can lead to a measure of good luck (people treating you well b/c you act like you own the place, etc.), but this book, from what i've seen, is psuedoscience. i mean, staying positive is an asset, but it's not the secret to life, and the idea that your thoughts somehow change how the universe will act is somewhat ridiculous and is certainly not based on credible physics. sorry, but i hate it when people invoke science without following the scientific method. check out this article by discover magazine: discovermagazine.com/2007/jul/peer-review/?searchterm=the%20secret
You're really good when it comes to not "threadcraping".
I'm not trying to force my mindset on anyone. I was simply making a suggestion for some people who didn't have that great of a time this year. I use the law of attraction because it worksfor me and I understand how to use it, if you want to try it be my guest, but in the end I don't really care what you do. I think it is pretty clear that the purpose of my thread is to try to help out some of the people who didn't have as much un this year as I did. If I went on about the Secret too much I'm sorry, but in the end I was just trying to help out. I was hoping that everyone would focus more on my point of how there will be a part of 'Roo that doesn't change.
I guess I started the thread on wrong, but I guess it's what I get for trying to aide others.
^^^^ I liked the message you put forth - thought it was an interesting view - it just does not work for everyone - but I can always use a postive view on like - I am more of a half empty then half full type of person - so I need more optimism in my life
Good message man, and be right there with you every year I can.
I actually stumbled upon the law of attraction through use of various "enhancements" as we call them on the boards here. Havn't read the secret yet, but it's really no secret to me
Post by oatmealschnappz on Jul 17, 2007 3:45:02 GMT -5
With all due respect (you being one of my favorite inforooers and all), I'm not sure if I agree. I was more excited for Roo this year than any of my other 3 years but, as soon as we arrived something seemed "off". I was as giddy as a school girl during the drive in but, as soon as we hit the farm, I felt almost unwelcome. Thinking that it was just jitters or drive-lag, I went about my usual multi-camp stroll. It took several hours of us being devestated by scenesters, ridiculous security and a GROSSLY BASTARDIZED ShakeDown before we started to feel like our first impressions might actually be correct. Bonnaroo is our yearly pilgrimage and "release" but after talking and listeng to dozens upon dozens of clueless jerk-offs, we started to become distraught and disappointed with the overall vibe. After being needlessly harassed by Centeroo security, ignored by camp security, left hanging (and hot) by a chronically non-existant ice-vendor and ripped-off by shady ass scumbags...we started getting extremely annoyed. When you add the ridiculously ever-changing Centeroo "rules" and lung-clogging dust, we just found it almost impossible to enjoy ourselves. It just seemed like it was WAY more trouble than it was worth. We are not newbies, to Roo or anything else, but this year just wasn't very much fun. It felt more like Disney World than the near-religous experience I've come to know and love.
I went into it being as positive as any man could be but, it fell apart quicker than I could've ever imagined.
I'm glad it worked out so well for you (and other folks, as well) but, it left us with a bad taste in our mouths.
While we may be back, we will most likely be skipping next year.
Karma for your positive outlook! I hope it keeps working for you! (We need to get together again sometime and see a show, have a smoke....)
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^I have to agree. This was our fifth bonnaroo, and for us it is also our annual 'release'. The only vacation we get every year, and a feeling of coming home.... I haven't posted anything negative yet, b/c I didn't want to annoy anyone... But you phrased it quite well and I had to chime in.
Our attitude stayed so positive it almost borders on denial... But in the end, we were never really able to sink our teeth into bonnaroo like previous years. It's not that I didn't have fun, it's that I've come to expect a certain experience and that experience wasn't available. Not a bad thing really, but a sad thing. Like visiting your favorite camp site and finding that they built a hotel there... hotels are great and all but you were planning on camping. In the end we just tried to wipe our expectations away and enjoy it for what it was, which wasn't so bad compared to 'normal life'.
We may or may not be back - time (and line up) will tell. But this year I learned that roo has to be just a fun thing we do - because the vibe is different, and it can't be the homecoming that it once was, and that's okay. Everything changes and grows I suppose.
Although attitude IS everything, I think the difference of opinion often is accounted for by one's own history. If you are ripe for an experience like the Roo, then you are blinded by the light, and can't help bringing to yourself what you need. If you have been and have loved it, then you are more subject to the nuances and changes, for better or worse. Roo has provided the canvas for all sorts of paintings, that's for sure.
It is not ironic to witness the trend of first timers who just had the time of THEIR lives and wanna keep THEIR memories spotless try to whitewash it and call everybody else partypooping whineaholics. That is what the inexperienced do. We have all done it. Years later, we think-"what kind of butthole was I to try and act like I knew everything ". Kinda like the lot mafia acting as if THEY are the first ones to work a lot.
My last couple of years after Roo, when the feelings are fresh, I have sworn that I was done and would seek out more underground and developing affairs. But as the lineup for the next year leaks, and I simmer on the backburner of Inforoo, I have been lured back in. I ALWAYS find a way to enjoy myself there. But as I age, it is harder for me to remain in denial, and not admit it to myself. And I consider it my civic duty--not only to help people pre Roo figure how to get their Homebrew in, or what kind of goldbond to get, but also to report back after Roo, about my experiences Honestly. Will I go back next year ? Probably not. But it IS only July .
I read a book 20 years ago called THE HUNDRETH MONKEY. It deals with the power of will in a very simple manner. There are ninety nine monkeys on an island--all doing typical monkey things. It only takes that hundreth monkey, the one with a different way of looking at things to make a change. Pretty soon 20 monkies are doing what the hundreth one does. Doesn't take long before all hundred monkies are doing the same New thing.
I have tried to represent and be THAT monkey. Dripping soul, trying to demonstrate that the more good people drop off from something that used to be really good, the worse it can be. That and Roo's potential, as well as thousands of glorious memories keep me coming back.
But this monkeys' getting tired of hanging with jackasses, and MAY need to recharge his monkey batteries in a more grassroots jungle.
Post by lordrockinhood on Jul 17, 2007 9:15:44 GMT -5
All I know is, whether I can actually make the 900 mile trip to Roo year after year, I will always be there in spirit... and whenever that weekend comes, for the rest of Bonnaroo's existance, I will be thinking of all who are there, wishing them the time of their lives, and only positive thoughts will come out of me for that second or third weekend of June every year. I will say that I found not a single negative thing in my own personal Roo universe this year, or last, and I have faith in my heart that I never will, no matter how the festival may or may not change... but then again, I get that all the time from people, "Why are you always so happy dude?" I always find this question so bizzare and confusing because I don't know why, it's just who I am, and I guess I've gotten used to it as I've lived my life day after day after day. Tragic events will always be a part of the world around me, but that's just a fact of life. My religion doesn't have a name, but it is grounded in the way I can always get strength out of my own ever present smile... I may not be able to control it, but I am damn happy it's always there for me when I need it. I would never have it any other way, and I hope that never changes. I think the same thing about Bonnaroo... the creole word for "a really good time"
Post by spookymonster on Jul 17, 2007 9:53:54 GMT -5
The Secret is just the latest reframing of Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich, mystified and targeted to an audience with Attention Deficit Disorder. Although some people attribute a mystical nature to the effectiveness of positive thinking/motivational visualization, the fundamentals actually have a solid footing in neuro linguistic programming (NLP) and kinesics (the study of non-verbal communication or body movements). Basically:
- a positive attitude, ambition, and self-confidence are the cornerstones of a charismatic personality
- developing charismatic traits within your personality can have a similar effect on your body language ("as within, so without")
- almost 90% of interpersonal communication is actually 'transmitted' through subtext, a.k.a., body language ("what you say isn't as important as how you say it")
- conversely, adopting more attractive body language habits (good posture, smiling, eye contact, "alpha male" behavior) can have a positive affect on your personality ("fake it 'til you make it")
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jul 17, 2007 11:45:55 GMT -5
i heard there were people who actually went to Bonnaroo to have FUN! Sooooo lame. Its like they totally didn't sit in their campsite and talk about last years Bonnaroo and some of them don't even like Phish... Oh my god... so lame. There were people there who didn't mind the dust (again, so , so , lame) and they didn't do exactly what I (and EVERYONE else) did... I mean, how can you fight conformity without doing what everyone else is doing? They should have been listening to the same music I was, experiencing the vibe I wanted them to, and doing exactly what I think people at a festival should do. It was NOTHING like 2002... or that Phish show I liked... there were actually people under the age of 30 there, can you believe that? I totally won't go to Bonnaroo next year unless everyone looks like me, likes the music I like, gives me free stuff, gurantees nobody shady will be there, talks about "that Phish show" without end, dictates exactly what the 'scene' should be, and totally hates that next year won't be like this year or the year before and lets everyone know how bad of a time they had. Its not a true festival unless you are upset - ya know? Seriously, the vibe has just changed so much.
Post by oatmealschnappz on Jul 17, 2007 11:55:17 GMT -5
mindexpansi0n said:
i heard there were people who actually went to Bonnaroo to have FUN! Sooooo lame. Its like they totally didn't sit in their campsite and talk about last years Bonnaroo and some of them don't even like Phish... Oh my god... so lame. There were people there who didn't mind the dust (again, so , so , lame) and they didn't do exactly what I (and EVERYONE else) did... I mean, how can you fight conformity without doing what everyone else is doing? They should have been listening to the same music I was, experiencing the vibe I wanted them to, and doing exactly what I think people at a festival should do. It was NOTHING like 2002... or that Phish show I liked... there were actually people under the age of 30 there, can you believe that? I totally won't go to Bonnaroo next year unless everyone looks like me, likes the music I like, gives me free stuff, gurantees nobody shady will be there, talks about "that Phish show" without end, dictates exactly what the 'scene' should be, and totally hates that next year won't be like this year or the year before and lets everyone know how bad of a time they had. Its not a true festival unless you are upset - ya know? Seriously, the vibe has just changed so much.
Over-simplify much?
It's got to be kinda hard to tell how much the vibe has changed, if this was your first time at Bonnaroo. Doesn't it?
It's got to be kinda hard to tell how much the vibe has changed, if this was your first time at Bonnaroo. Doesn't it?
No...mindexpansi0n wouldn't do that.
wow - that's about all I can say here (of course, because if I expressed my opinion about anything - I would -more then likely- be attacked for having a different opinion)
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jul 17, 2007 12:19:05 GMT -5
I'll try not to have as much fun next year... I guess I just didn't try hard enough. PS - My sarcastic (to the point of being misunderstood apparently) post wasn't directed at anyone particular - I guess it should have been prefaced with that disclaimer. I don't really care about the "vibe change" - the "vibe" is what you make of it, and more importantly, the "vibe" you project. That is sort of the moral I took from the original post.
The Secret is just the latest reframing of Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich, mystified and targeted to an audience with Attention Deficit Disorder. Although some people attribute a mystical nature to the effectiveness of positive thinking/motivational visualization, the fundamentals actually have a solid footing in neuro linguistic programming (NLP) and kinesics (the study of non-verbal communication or body movements). Basically:
- a positive attitude, ambition, and self-confidence are the cornerstones of a charismatic personality
- developing charismatic traits within your personality can have a similar effect on your body language ("as within, so without")
- almost 90% of interpersonal communication is actually 'transmitted' through subtext, a.k.a., body language ("what you say isn't as important as how you say it")
- conversely, adopting more attractive body language habits (good posture, smiling, eye contact, "alpha male" behavior) can have a positive affect on your personality ("fake it 'til you make it")
Dude, why don't you join the pikes? Too Old? How about freemasons?
Dont Worry be Happy Peoples:D I do agree with the simple thought of if your positive in life and surround urself with positive things, that positive things will surround you no matter where you are. I feel that it is okay to vent your negative expiriences in some way so that you can live past them and learn from them. I have nothin in responce to the "sercret" or monkies simply because im unknowlegded on those subjects. And if you dont agree, try it out what have you got to lose! Oh and i love you all!
Post by oleander124 on Jul 17, 2007 12:23:58 GMT -5
mindexpansi0n said:
I'll try not to have as much fun next year... I guess I just didn't try hard enough.
Yeah, you should really try that because I went in to Bonnaroo hoping to have a bad time and have some really crappy neighbors. I paid a lot of money expecting to have a bad time. It worked! It's amazing what some negative thinking can do for your dreams.
The Secret is just the latest reframing of Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich, mystified and targeted to an audience with Attention Deficit Disorder. Although some people attribute a mystical nature to the effectiveness of positive thinking/motivational visualization, the fundamentals actually have a solid footing in neuro linguistic programming (NLP) and kinesics (the study of non-verbal communication or body movements). Basically:
- a positive attitude, ambition, and self-confidence are the cornerstones of a charismatic personality
- developing charismatic traits within your personality can have a similar effect on your body language ("as within, so without")
- almost 90% of interpersonal communication is actually 'transmitted' through subtext, a.k.a., body language ("what you say isn't as important as how you say it")
- conversely, adopting more attractive body language habits (good posture, smiling, eye contact, "alpha male" behavior) can have a positive affect on your personality ("fake it 'til you make it")
Dude, why don't you join the pikes? Too Old? How about freemasons?
my momma always taught me that if you don't have something nice to say, then don't say it. Everyday on this board I figure out that not everyone was taught the same way I was - bless your heart ;D
Oh - yeah - I was also taught that I can get away with calling people a$$holes by saying "Bless your heart" with a big smile on my face - guess that's Southern manners for ya!
I'm outta here - ya'll have fun now
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Post by mindexpansi0n on Jul 17, 2007 12:32:59 GMT -5
Ok. I went to Bonnaroo expecting to have a pretty decent time and make the best of the experience. I paid alot of money expecting to have a good time. I guess it worked. Heck, I didn't even have to buy "The Secret" to get the job done.
oleander124 said:
mindexpansi0n said:
I'll try not to have as much fun next year... I guess I just didn't try hard enough.
Yeah, you should really try that because I went in to Bonnaroo hoping to have a bad time and have some really crappy neighbors. I paid a lot of money expecting to have a bad time. It worked! It's amazing what some negative thinking can do for your dreams.