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Has anyone heard what time the gates open Wednesday/Thursday?
Quoting myself like a boss. Someone from the Lockn proboards said the fest's official Facebook posted they would be opening the gates at dawn (~7am) on Thursday, for anyone else wondering.
maybe the term "jamband" took off in the 90s, but the concept of "jambands" has definitely been around at least 30 years longer than that. I can somewhat understand arguing that EDM has built a stronger following (although, I strongly disagree), but I don't understand how you can argue that EDM was established before jambands
Aside from the Grateful Dead (and perhaps the Allman Brothers) please let me know what "jambands" were operating and were touring the national circuit before, say, 1993. I don't know that you could even find a reference to a "jamband" or "jam band" prior to the 90s. My point was that far from being some long-established subgenre, the concept of a jamband didn't really take off until the mid-90s, when dozens of these groups got popular.
Apart from maybe the two biggest bands in the genre? I don't think I really need to but I would personally consider Cream the first Jamband. The point is, you can't say EDM is a more established genre because of the electronic music of the 1980s and then ignore all of the music of the 60s and 70s that would be classified as "jam" today
Yea there's a lot of shitty "EDM" type music aka Steve Aoki, David Guetta, Afrojack, Tiesto, Avicci, etc. etc. but there's an abundance of great electronic music at the moement. I don't know if yall remember but there was a EDM bubble back in the late 90s/early 2000s that fizzled out until say about 2008-2009 till now which has seen another bubble. Can't for for this bubble to burst and the real heads to remain
Catskill Chill is also taking some people that would be at Lockn otherwise like myself. At least 50 people I know will be at Chill when if there wasn't a conflict they would probably go to Lockn also.
To add to the Jambands discussion: There are tons of bands around that I would consider Jam but don't fall into the genre. One example is Chicago. Listen to recordings of concerts, especially the early ones featuring the Terry Kath years. I would also consider MMJ to be jam and they seem to be pretty popular among the Iroo folks.
Catskill Chill is also taking some people that would be at Lockn otherwise like myself. At least 50 people I know will be at Chill when if there wasn't a conflict they would probably go to Lockn also.
To add to the Jambands discussion: There are tons of bands around that I would consider Jam but don't fall into the genre. One example is Chicago. Listen to recordings of concerts, especially the early ones featuring the Terry Kath years. I would also consider MMJ to be jam and they seem to be pretty popular among the Iroo folks.
Hopscotch is the same weekend too and may be pulling some of the southern attendees
That was nuts!!! So many great sets from great artists. Love the main stage setup to keep the music going non-stop. Logistically speaking it definitely needs some improvement. More portipotties in the campgrounds and venue (especially on the right side). Maybe have some people directing campers after Thursday. Friday was a free for all for us trying to find a spot. And they definitely need to upgrade their cell service around there. But all in all it was such a great weekend and I hope to make it back there again soon. Perfect setting for a festival.
Post by thepeppers on Sept 8, 2014 18:02:23 GMT -5
Some quick thoughts on the weekend.
- For Lockn to only have one year of experience, I was impressed of how smoothly it went. Got to the festival Thursday evening, got through the line and security within 30 minutes. Left Sunday night after The Allman Brothers (which seemed to be what the majority did) and only waited an hour to get on the road. We was a 10 minute walk to the main stage area, and didn't hear anybody that was 20 minutes or more. We was a little "on top of each other" as far as camping in our area, but it was comparable to Roo in that aspect.
- You can tell that the festival really tried to focus on the local businesses, seemed like all the food trucks came from the Roanoke or Richmond area. Inside the stage area they had a local tent for food and one for beer. Thought that was cool, especially since I have lived in Virginia my whole life.
- I was a big fan of the sports tent. One of the few places you could find shade once you entered the stage area, and of course I love sports. If anything I would like to see them expand on that. Add a few more TVs, do a sponsorship with Directv so you can get the Sunday ticket, and add some benches and sofa chairs.
- More porta-potties and another shower tent is needed.
- Wouldn't mind to had some conflicts to see some daytime sets at the "Shakedown Stage"....sweet viewing area with trees all around to provide shade.
- Personal favorite sets in no particular order: Both UM shows, SCI doing the tribute to Kool and the Gang, WSP with Steve Winwood, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Grace Potter and the Nocturnals, and Willie Nelson. Was a little underwhelmed with the Allman Brothers.
Back from Lockn and I have to say while I enjoyed the music (mostly) I am seriously disappointed in the crowd. I stayed in ADA and there was a stabbing, tires were slashed, people were robbed like crazy, a car was stolen and there were more drugs there than in the last seven roos I've been to. I understand this is my personal experience and hope it doesn't reflect on the rest of the fest.
Positives: Shaded shelter for ADA = AWESOME, lots of local participation by businesses and not for profits, free ADA shuttles, not a long wait to get onto the property, free download of the new Petty album
Negatives: Holy crap the drugs! I'm no puritan but holy crap! All of the dealers coming through camp were VIP because apparently there is no search. It was hot as a roo and there were no cooling options in place which was a drag. Definitely need more portos and I think placement needs to be improved.
The Music: Thought I was going to be overloaded with 4 SCI sets but they were fantastic. Steve Winwood and WSP were awesome, Grace Potter, Tom Petty both solid sets. Preservation Hall is awesome always! I agree with thepeppers that the Allman Brothers set was disappointing.
Back from Lockn and I have to say while I enjoyed the music (mostly) I am seriously disappointed in the crowd. I stayed in ADA and there was a stabbing, tires were slashed, people were robbed like crazy, a car was stolen and there were more drugs there than in the last seven roos I've been to. I understand this is my personal experience and hope it doesn't reflect on the rest of the fest.
Positives: Shaded shelter for ADA = AWESOME, lots of local participation by businesses and not for profits, free ADA shuttles, not a long wait to get onto the property, free download of the new Petty album
Negatives: Holy crap the drugs! I'm no puritan but holy crap! All of the dealers coming through camp were VIP because apparently there is no search. It was hot as a roo and there were no cooling options in place which was a drag. Definitely need more portos and I think placement needs to be improved.
The Music: Thought I was going to be overloaded with 4 SCI sets but they were fantastic. Steve Winwood and WSP were awesome, Grace Potter, Tom Petty both solid sets. Preservation Hall is awesome always! I agree with thepeppers that the Allman Brothers set was disappointing.
Wow, hate that you witnessed all of that. Me and my buddy just did car camping, didn't see any of that stuff going on. The drug use was fairly strong, but I was expecting it. I thought it was comparable to Roo, but everybody's experience is different of course.
When the Allman Brothers were over my buddy just looked at me and said "really?" I don't want bash them to hard, but they ended the set 15 mins before they was scheduled to. They band got into a drum solo about 40 mins into the set and Gregg/Warren just disappeared for 15-20 mins. At least they played Midnight Rider.
Back from Lockn and I have to say while I enjoyed the music (mostly) I am seriously disappointed in the crowd. I stayed in ADA and there was a stabbing, tires were slashed, people were robbed like crazy, a car was stolen and there were more drugs there than in the last seven roos I've been to. I understand this is my personal experience and hope it doesn't reflect on the rest of the fest.
Positives: Shaded shelter for ADA = AWESOME, lots of local participation by businesses and not for profits, free ADA shuttles, not a long wait to get onto the property, free download of the new Petty album
Negatives: Holy crap the drugs! I'm no puritan but holy crap! All of the dealers coming through camp were VIP because apparently there is no search. It was hot as a roo and there were no cooling options in place which was a drag. Definitely need more portos and I think placement needs to be improved.
The Music: Thought I was going to be overloaded with 4 SCI sets but they were fantastic. Steve Winwood and WSP were awesome, Grace Potter, Tom Petty both solid sets. Preservation Hall is awesome always! I agree with thepeppers that the Allman Brothers set was disappointing.
Wow, hate that you witnessed all of that. Me and my buddy just did car camping, didn't see any of that stuff going on. The drug use was fairly strong, but I was expecting it. I thought it was comparable to Roo, but everybody's experience is different of course.
When the Allman Brothers were over my buddy just looked at me and said "really?" I don't want bash them to hard, but they ended the set 15 mins before they was scheduled to. They band got into a drum solo about 40 mins into the set and Gregg/Warren just disappeared for 15-20 mins. At least they played Midnight Rider.
Yeah, we kept expecting them to come back on after the slide show. I thought the ending was abrupt and wondered if something had gone wrong. I think our drug expectations were not including the kid laying on the ground outside our shelter tripping for hours and the year olds asking if we wanted to do K with them.
Yeah I mean there were some REALLY fucked up people there for sure, but I guess I've become accustomed to taking the bad with the good in that regard. That really sucks that there was crime. Everyone we encountered were really nice and friendly. We were car camping right near the Shakedown Stage and never had any problems at all. We had a random chair with some band aids in it show up at our campsite while we were gone, but that was about it.
Definitely agree that there should be some conflicts and they should run the Shakedown Stage more than just late-nights.
For me the best shows were the Kreutzmann Allstars, Wilco(especially the second set), Everything Trucks and Tedeschi, and Gary Clark Jr setting loose his buzzsaw guitar on that crowd. Wish I would have gotten there in time for the Del McCoury/Pres Hall transition I heard so much about. Wish there was more of that merging of sets throughout the weekend.
Post by zenofmalarkey on Sept 9, 2014 0:29:46 GMT -5
I had a blast. Loved the setup, loved the entire lineup and had a great time. Didn't witness anything out of the ordinary from any other festival. Yeah, there were a lot of people partying, but that made it a funner atmosphere in my opinion.
PROS: -- Triangle Stage. Was glad my Car camping spot was nearby. At Bonnaroo I never make it all the way into Centeroo early, so being able to catch Keller Williams three mornings was a great start to the day. Almost made me feel bad for VIP folks who didn't make the trek. The shade was great, the tent looked cool at night especially with the lights hitting the trees, and they also had some cool demonstrations of Pow Wow Dancers and a drumming dude that led everyone in a drum circle. -- GARCIA's... The tent set up by Jerry Garcia people near Shakedown became the end-of-night party when people weren't ready to crash. They were just playing Jerry tunes, but usually that's all you need for a good party. Fun times dancing in there. -- Shakedown Stage. Loved the layout of this one and the late-night shows were fun. Chris Robinson and Bustle were both parties. -- Dual main stages. Loved how well it flowed and how easy it was to get close (non VIP here). I could usually go up the side and get fairly close. -- Relatively smooth entrance. Got there around 7 am. They had everyone in orderly lines and it only took about an hour or so. Set up by 11 and chilled out til Revivalists. -- Cool security. No problems entering, No problems entering the main venue. -- Keller's Grateful Gospel set on Sunday. My kind of worship service.
CONS -- Not enough water stations, mostly in the main venue. At least the security wasn't worried about water in backpacks, etc. after the first day. I stood in line one day for 15-20 minutes to fill up the camelbak. -- Long wait leaving. This could be because I was in Car Camping all the way back by the Triangle but no one moved from there from about 10-12:30... Just no movement. -- Not enough porta potties. The fact they added them to front left was nice, but they should do the same front right. It was a pretty far trek to the back of the field.
Everything was awesome. Only question would be why did they reduce the Portos in the main stage area? Also just a personal note I loved the break between string cheese and Phil on Friday. It was nice to have 15 mins to think without music. Would be nice to add that before all headliners.
Post by beavdog151 on Sept 10, 2014 21:55:10 GMT -5
Wow, some crazy experiences for some of you. I didn't hear anything about a stabbing or any violence at all, it's very surprising to me. I will definitely agree about the drugs, though. It reminded me of my first Roo, 2007. It seemed somebody was offering something at least twice an hour, regardless of your location.
Pros: still pretty new so not a lot of D Bags attending just to say they did. Genre of music attracts my kind of folks. Great selection of craft beers and healthy food choices, best I've seen at any Fest. Allowing you to bring chairs into the stage area. The cleanest port o potties I've ever used at a Fest, they cleaned them at least 3 times daily, if not more. Free rides to and from the main stages. I loved the stage setup, non stop music. I also loved the Triangle stage. I got up close for 3 late sets which were all really good. Forest camping was worth every penny. It felt at least 20 degrees cooler in there. Last but not least, beautiful scenery.
Cons: getting to forest camping was a bit confusing and nobody seemed to know exactly what was going on. When I finally got to the right area the forest camping parking lot was full so I was told told to park "somewhere over there". Although I loved the forest camping it was FAR away from the stages. I'm a very fast walker and it took at least 20 minutes to walk there. Occasionally there was a shuttle cart I hitched rides from, and although they were free I felt obligated to tip, they were too few and far between. Very little shade in the main area. Although they stayed clean, a few more port o potties would be nice. Little to no collaborations. With all these great artists, what a shame.
All in all my wife and I really enjoyed the Fest and made friends with some great people. I will definitely attend this Fest again and it's definitely a priority over Bonnaroo now.
Favorite sets. I'm not sure why some of you disliked the ABB because I thought they were great. Trucks and Haynes were unbelievable, even for them. Whipping Post will go down as one of the greatest concert moments of my life. It was awesome. As for not playing a full set, I don't remember seeing a set time, all I saw was a 10:30 start time. They played until after 12:30 which was as long or longer than any set. Widespread with Winwood was so great. Gimme some lovin' , WOW! Winwood sounded perfect! So so good. Grace Potter fucking killed it! If I wasn't biased I would probably put that down as the best set. What a fucking rock star she is. Both Wilco sets were very awesome, Nels Cline is my personal hero. Jeff Tweedy was very entertaining, the best of all the shows. Umphreys were very good as usual. String cheese were also solid but 4 sets? Really? Hot Tuna acoustic was great. Really fun set from a couple of very happy legends. Jack Cassidy was brilliant. Susan and Derek's late set was very good too. Not much negative info about any set I saw. Willy was a bit blah but he is pretty damn old and I love him anyway : ).
Wow, some crazy experiences for some of you. I didn't hear anything about a stabbing or any violence at all, it's very surprising to me. I will definitely agree about the drugs, though. It reminded me of my first Roo, 2007. It seemed somebody was offering something at least twice an hour, regardless of your location.
Pros: still pretty new so not a lot of D Bags attending just to say they did. Genre of music attracts my kind of folks. Great selection of craft beers and healthy food choices, best I've seen at any Fest. Allowing you to bring chairs into the stage area. The cleanest port o potties I've ever used at a Fest, they cleaned them at least 3 times daily, if not more. Free rides to and from the main stages. I loved the stage setup, non stop music. I also loved the Triangle stage. I got up close for 3 late sets which were all really good. Forest camping was worth every penny. It felt at least 20 degrees cooler in there. Last but not least, beautiful scenery.
Cons: getting to forest camping was a bit confusing and nobody seemed to know exactly what was going on. When I finally got to the right area the forest camping parking lot was full so I was told told to park "somewhere over there". Although I loved the forest camping it was FAR away from the stages. I'm a very fast walker and it took at least 20 minutes to walk there. Occasionally there was a shuttle cart I hitched rides from, and although they were free I felt obligated to tip, they were too few and far between. Very little shade in the main area. Although they stayed clean, a few more port o potties would be nice. Little to no collaborations. With all these great artists, what a shame.
All in all my wife and I really enjoyed the Fest and made friends with some great people. I will definitely attend this Fest again and it's definitely a priority over Bonnaroo now.
Favorite sets. I'm not sure why some of you disliked the ABB because I thought they were great. Trucks and Haynes were unbelievable, even for them. Whipping Post will go down as one of the greatest concert moments of my life. It was awesome. As for not playing a full set, I don't remember seeing a set time, all I saw was a 10:30 start time. They played until after 12:30 which was as long or longer than any set. Widespread with Winwood was so great. Gimme some lovin' , WOW! Winwood sounded perfect! So so good. Grace Potter fucking killed it! If I wasn't biased I would probably put that down as the best set. What a fucking rock star she is. Both Wilco sets were very awesome, Nels Cline is my personal hero. Jeff Tweedy was very entertaining, the best of all the shows. Umphreys were very good as usual. String cheese were also solid but 4 sets? Really? Hot Tuna acoustic was great. Really fun set from a couple of very happy legends. Jack Cassidy was brilliant. Susan and Derek's late set was very good too. Not much negative info about any set I saw. Willy was a bit blah but he is pretty damn old and I love him anyway : ).
You're thinking of Tom Petty set. The Allman Brothers came on around 8:30, played till about 10 40 or 10 45. They was suppose to play till 11. Everybody expectations were different I guess. I heard somebody the other day compare it to a Pearl Jam show I was at. It didn't appeal to many casual fans because they didn't play many hits, but the seasoned fans or "die-hards" so to speak loved it because they heard songs they never thought they would live. I was hoping to hear Rambling Man, Soulshine, Jessica...but I am just a casual fan, had never been to one of their shows.
Wow, some crazy experiences for some of you. I didn't hear anything about a stabbing or any violence at all, it's very surprising to me. I will definitely agree about the drugs, though. It reminded me of my first Roo, 2007. It seemed somebody was offering something at least twice an hour, regardless of your location.
Pros: still pretty new so not a lot of D Bags attending just to say they did. Genre of music attracts my kind of folks. Great selection of craft beers and healthy food choices, best I've seen at any Fest. Allowing you to bring chairs into the stage area. The cleanest port o potties I've ever used at a Fest, they cleaned them at least 3 times daily, if not more. Free rides to and from the main stages. I loved the stage setup, non stop music. I also loved the Triangle stage. I got up close for 3 late sets which were all really good. Forest camping was worth every penny. It felt at least 20 degrees cooler in there. Last but not least, beautiful scenery.
Cons: getting to forest camping was a bit confusing and nobody seemed to know exactly what was going on. When I finally got to the right area the forest camping parking lot was full so I was told told to park "somewhere over there". Although I loved the forest camping it was FAR away from the stages. I'm a very fast walker and it took at least 20 minutes to walk there. Occasionally there was a shuttle cart I hitched rides from, and although they were free I felt obligated to tip, they were too few and far between. Very little shade in the main area. Although they stayed clean, a few more port o potties would be nice. Little to no collaborations. With all these great artists, what a shame.
All in all my wife and I really enjoyed the Fest and made friends with some great people. I will definitely attend this Fest again and it's definitely a priority over Bonnaroo now.
Favorite sets. I'm not sure why some of you disliked the ABB because I thought they were great. Trucks and Haynes were unbelievable, even for them. Whipping Post will go down as one of the greatest concert moments of my life. It was awesome. As for not playing a full set, I don't remember seeing a set time, all I saw was a 10:30 start time. They played until after 12:30 which was as long or longer than any set. Widespread with Winwood was so great. Gimme some lovin' , WOW! Winwood sounded perfect! So so good. Grace Potter fucking killed it! If I wasn't biased I would probably put that down as the best set. What a fucking rock star she is. Both Wilco sets were very awesome, Nels Cline is my personal hero. Jeff Tweedy was very entertaining, the best of all the shows. Umphreys were very good as usual. String cheese were also solid but 4 sets? Really? Hot Tuna acoustic was great. Really fun set from a couple of very happy legends. Jack Cassidy was brilliant. Susan and Derek's late set was very good too. Not much negative info about any set I saw. Willy was a bit blah but he is pretty damn old and I love him anyway : ).
You're thinking of Tom Petty set. The Allman Brothers came on around 8:30, played till about 10 40 or 10 45. They was suppose to play till 11. Everybody expectations were different I guess. I heard somebody the other day compare it to a Pearl Jam show I was at. It didn't appeal to many casual fans because they didn't play many hits, but the seasoned fans or "die-hards" so to speak loved it because they heard songs they never thought they would live. I was hoping to hear Rambling Man, Soulshine, Jessica...but I am just a casual fan, had never been to one of their shows.
I was thinking of ABB but I just got the hours wrong. I didn't know that they were supposed to go til 11. On the schedule after Allman Brothers Band it stated Live at Fillmore East, which they played the entire album. For the encore they added some classics but I can understand wanting to see those songs you mentioned. I was bummed that Steve Winwood didn't do Higher Love or that Hot Tuna didn't join Grace Potter for White Rabbit. I just thought that Haynes and Trucks played out of their minds and knowing how great those guys are they blew me away. I think Whipping Post alone lasted over 20 minutes which was pretty much those two guys shredding most of that time.
