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BIGGER CINEMA TENT. Or change something about it. I felt so bad jumping the line with an artist pass (not that I'm complaining about that privilege.
It sucks seeing the number of people waiting in line for some of the most cult-tastic events of the week, only to be told that there's not enough seats and they'll have to wait for someone to leave? Not cool bro.
What weirded me out was the HUGE line for the Polyphonic Spree/RHPS and once I got in there(Via VIP) I looked back and the whole back half of the tent was left empty.
Yeah, that's cause they waited till right before it started to let GA in. Most of the tent was artist/vip. Which while vip DID pay the extra money, this is RHPS we're talking about. If I couldn't just walk in, I would have given my left nut to see Polyphonic do it. Hell, I'd give my left nut to see it again!
My point is, that while there are certain privileges that should be available, dominating certain events and denying fans the chance sucks.
What weirded me out was the HUGE line for the Polyphonic Spree/RHPS and once I got in there(Via VIP) I looked back and the whole back half of the tent was left empty.
Yeah, that's cause they waited till right before it started to let GA in. Most of the tent was artist/vip. Which while vip DID pay the extra money, this is RHPS we're talking about. If I couldn't just walk in, I would have given my left nut to see Polyphonic do it. Hell, I'd give my left nut to see it again!
My point is, that while there are certain privileges that should be available, dominating certain events and denying fans the chance sucks.
If VIP didn't have the privilege of getting to cut in line, I doubt I'd pay for it.
It isn't like VIP people are super rich either, I'd say a lot of people I camped with were far from it, but what they were, were good savers. Skrimp and save through the year, and then be able to purchase the tickets in November. I have the feeling that if anyone looked at their vice budget throughout the year (druqs/alcohol/cigs/videogames/movies etc...) they'd be able to find that money.
So they're all gonna be fixed for next year, right? 8 years is enough time to fix the Which stage isn't it? Maybe 9 for the ditch...
It would actually be really funny if everyone showed up next year and the ditch was gone, there was extra hay and sod placed around the grounds to prevent mud buildup, there were screens at the tents, an extra Centeroo entrance, a new sound system at the Which stage, a farmer's market for fresh food, reservations for the Comedy Tent, a bigger Cinema tent, and an open Which stage on Thursday night. People's heads would start spontaneously exploding all over the place.
Hell, I know volunteers would be picking up bits of my skull. I really think Which is the place to start though. It's obvious Roo is targeting the younger, newer movement in music. If people can't get all wubby in the Which field to Pretty Lights, people are going to be pretty pissed. Plus, it would give them a good reason to open it up on Thursday.
Post by Roo'adelphia on Jun 21, 2013 9:37:56 GMT -5
Any good conspiracy theories on the Which Ditch? Has to be a form of crowd control or something if they just dont fix the giant mud pit in the middle of the most high traffic area of Bonnaroo.
Any good conspiracy theories on the Which Ditch? Has to be a form of crowd control or something if they just dont fix the giant mud pit in the middle of the most high traffic area of Bonnaroo.
That ditch represents the struggle of humanity, brah.
Any good conspiracy theories on the Which Ditch? Has to be a form of crowd control or something if they just dont fix the giant mud pit in the middle of the most high traffic area of Bonnaroo.
Considering you can expect 80K people in the What field for a major show.
Then you have 3 acts coming on that will all draw big crowds(R Kelly, Billy Idol, and Weird Al) Two of those are in tents, how many people does a tent support? How many people skipped the big show to get in the front of the tent? What kind of crush would there be to the people already in the tent? Not to mention all the lines for the vendors, portapotties, and food stands that the massive crowd is moving past, the lanes are only so wide, having a set number of people exiting the mud funnel at a time helps to keep from overwhelming these avenues.
I'm thinking some psychological/fire safety genius came up with this ditch.
Any good conspiracy theories on the Which Ditch? Has to be a form of crowd control or something if they just dont fix the giant mud pit in the middle of the most high traffic area of Bonnaroo.
That ditch represents the struggle of humanity, brah.
Its like.....the people over there,...wanna be over here. BUT I wanna be over there man! Crazy man just crazy parallel universe stuff going on over there. Once I actually saw myself on the other side staring at me covered in "mud" (has that stuff been tested and confirmed as mud by chance?)
It is sad. Just took that Roo census from my email. One page it says "We are thinking about changing X, X, X, X, X, X, X.. Which of these do you like?" Not one is tent on screens or fixing Which :/.. Adding amusement park crap and shiz. Think this is falling on deaf ears but still wrote in SCREEN ON TENTS in obnoxious capital letters
It is sad. Just took that Roo census from my email. One page it says "We are thinking about changing X, X, X, X, X, X, X.. Which of these do you like?" Not one is tent on screens or fixing Which :/.. Adding amusement park crap and shiz. Think this is falling on deaf ears but still wrote in SCREEN ON TENTS in obnoxious capital letters ;)
I put that as my number 1 complaint in big bold letters. But yeah, I saw that "we might add" page and didn't care about any of that shit.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jun 21, 2013 10:36:25 GMT -5
Well, they know that it is something a lot of people want. Capps has been told this to his face by multiple inforoosters and also been asked about it in interviews. I do think it will happen one day and they probably don't include it in the surveys because they know that it's wanted already. The real question is why the F aren't they doing anything about it?
Post by nature boy on Jun 21, 2013 10:55:06 GMT -5
I am for adding screens, but consider (as I'm sure the producers are) the additional resources needed to make it happen. Not only is there additional hardware needed, there are also personnel resources necessary to run the video switchers. Additional camera operators may also be needed. Perhaps they'd hire a media designer to create fill screens between shows...
Surely it could fit in the budget. It is a big undertaking, but it would make the experience (for all) that much greater.
I am for adding screens, but consider (as I'm sure the producers are) the additional resources needed to make it happen. Not only is there additional hardware needed, there are also personnel resources necessary to run the video switchers. Additional camera operators may also be needed. Perhaps they'd hire a media designer to create fill screens between shows...
Surely it could fit in the budget. It is a big undertaking, but it would make the experience (for all) that much greater.
I thought Delicious Meatball Sub had a great idea that they could even just add screens to ONE tent but try to keep the more popular shows/expected crowds in that specific tent. That'd still be a huge improvement over what they have now.
Definitely possible to do and definitely a bit more complicated than just "throw up some screens and be done with it" but I think it'd be totally worth it to invest in the technology/personnel. Adding these additions would likely also make it easier for saving and releasing footage later on whether through their youtube page or even if they decided to sell full sets (which I'd buy...but not sure how difficult it'd be to do legally).
I am for adding screens, but consider (as I'm sure the producers are) the additional resources needed to make it happen. Not only is there additional hardware needed, there are also personnel resources necessary to run the video switchers. Additional camera operators may also be needed. Perhaps they'd hire a media designer to create fill screens between shows...
Surely it could fit in the budget. It is a big undertaking, but it would make the experience (for all) that much greater.
I thought Delicious Meatball Sub had a great idea that they could even just add screens to ONE tent but try to keep the more popular shows/expected crowds in that specific tent. That'd still be a huge improvement over what they have now.
Definitely possible to do and definitely a bit more complicated than just "throw up some screens and be done with it" but I think it'd be totally worth it to invest in the technology/personnel. Adding these additions would likely also make it easier for saving and releasing footage later on whether through their youtube page or even if they decided to sell full sets (which I'd buy...but not sure how difficult it'd be to do legally).
That really is a great idea. It would allow them to totally focus on making 1 tent a great experience for a large crowd. Once they master one tent, they can focus on the other two. It would cause less strain on the budget, and would let them put all of their effort into one place. If Bonnaroo decided to try and fix every tent by next year, they would probably need to half-ass it.
Well, they know that it is something a lot of people want. Capps has been told this to his face by multiple inforoosters and also been asked about it in interviews. I do think it will happen one day and they probably don't include it in the surveys because they know that it's wanted already. The real question is why the F aren't they doing anything about it?
Because we don't have to, you braindead dope huffer!
Greetings suckerscash cowsmoronshillbilliesinbred hairfarming shut-ins friends! Ol' Capp Dogg coming atcha' with some post-festival nuggets!
First, let me just say, it was a real treat having all you mangy clowns once again descend on the experimental pesticide testing facility otherwise known as Great Stage Park for a weekend full of semi-interesting music and lots and lots of hot cash flooding my pockets. It's refreshing to know that I can offer you chuckleheads a steaming hot bowl of the same old crap year after year and you eat it up like a blind pig at the trough. Soul jams? New Orleans? Jim James? Nothing Capp'n Crunch over here hasn't booked a dozen times before!
Now, let's talk turkey, turkeys. (WORDPLAY FROM THE CAPPSTER!) I see you all just flocked to your local public library to use the free internet just to hop on here and register your frustration, disgust and anger with the sh*t that I, frankly, just don't care about. And guess what? I STILL DON'T CARE.
Fixing the ditch? Costs money, f*ck you. Putting screens on the tent? Costs money, f*ck you. More trashcans? More porto-potties? Costs money, f*ck you. Acquiring more hay and grass to spread over muddy areas, essentially free natural resources which we could easily harvest should we choose to ever mow this scraggly field of broken hippie dreams? COSTS MONEY, F*CK YOU. And what, you think I'm going to pay someone to pick up trash? I'm not like that idiot Tollett, once I give you degenerates an inch you'll demand a foot. Next you'll want air-conditioned bathroom trailers and shade!
Besides, here's a clue, gang. No matter what Capp-adonna does, you fools keep coming back? You could get back home with weeping red welts all over your back as a result of the MANDATORY BEATINGS administered by the gate staff (coming in 2014!), moaning and crying, then you'd all convince yourselves that Phish or Daft Punk or whoever the f*ck is playing a secret set at 2:00 a.m., and I watch the cash roll in. I'll book one legend like my main man Pauly, and watch you idiots overlook an entire lineup filled with rehashed dreck. Grab a few artists already playing, tell them that oops, sorry, your contract actually calls for THREE shows, and BAM! We've got four Superjams and a couple Sonic Stage sets to pad out the lineup with MUSIC YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD.
So get with it, chumps. Here are some improvements we're making for next year, just to wet your whistles (though I doubt you dope fiends will be able to remember this in a year's time anyway!): - We're making the clock tower louder, and it's going to go off every 15 minutes. Not only that, we're putting one in every Pod! Every 15 minutes you'll be serenaded by the sounds of cash registers ringing, as you make a futile attempt to stave off madness by cramming your ears full of mud to try and block the incessant sound! - Less screens. Let's face it, most of the braindead zombies stumbling around the farm, drooling and sweating and pumping their fists aimlessly don't give two sh*ts about who's on stage. All they want is a place to get loaded up on goofballs for a weekend and celebrate sophomore year. So why do they need to see who's playing? By 2015 it's just going to be DJs and rap acts anyway (that's where the money is!), and nobody needs to see close ups of turntables or angry looking gentlemen yelling into microphones. - MORE BROS. We're booking Dave Matthews, Mumfords, Drake & Lil Wayne, and Deadmau5. Enjoy. - More goofy artwork repurposed from that traveling carnival I snapped up at a discount. Smells of dead carnies and failure, just like most of your lives. - I'm ripping up that damned fountain. It just spreads your hippie stink straight into the local aquifer and I'm getting complaints from the locals about developing string warts from drinking tap water. - We're opening up the Which stage, Thursday night...and shutting down the tents. That stage has plenty of space, you'll be fine. Enjoy watching Sleigh Bells from 2 miles away.
That'll about do it for the Capp Dogg. Stay greasy, AC Slater over and out.
Personally, my biggest issue was the pit line on the What stage.
The only act I even tried to do pit for was McCartney. I did VIP this year and I got up around 8 get ready and shower. I went to Centeroo for some iced coffee and breakfast to find that people were already crowded around the gates. I know this has happened in years past but there were a lot of people for 13 hours before showtime. Waiting for the Main Venue to open was completely unorganized. It was just a flock of people crowded against a barricade. The part that I don't like is that when the Main Venue opens at noon, the deciding factor of getting a good spot is your agility and strength. For McCartney (and we didn't find this out until Wilco went on,) there was nothing dividing the pit into two, so two lines fed into one pit. I was on the left side and the biggest problem from 12-8:30 was line crashers. Our guard found the obvious ones and kicked them out, but I know there were ones that were more discreet. There was major miscommunication between the sides of the pit. On the opposite right side, a group started to flood into the pit yet our guards on the left were no where near to let us in. We ourselves pushed over the barricade and stampeded into the pit (which is not a pleasant experience.) People were falling, getting trampled on, getting stuck in the fallen barricade... and I know people were hurt. We later learned that the group on the right side that went in first was a VIP group (which bummed me out because I was VIP and I didn't know about an exclusive line.) Had we known that this was VIP, there would have been less confusion and chaos, and people wouldn't have gotten hurt. I know someone who was the very first person in line on the left side, but he was tripped up in the barricade, and he was in front of the video screen rather than in the center of the stage.
What I'm saying here is pretty much this
1. Have a predesignated line for the pit that runs in separate conjunction with the Main Venue (i.e. Have a line before the Main Venue opens to avoid the running through the place at noon.) Slowly move the line together as a group into the Main Venue when there are enough people accumulated.
2. Have a numbered system so we know who was there first. Use the RFID if you have to. That way, as soon as you claim your place via your number, you can leave having reserved a spot. Announced everyone to come back at a certain time (or before a certain time.) This could be similar to the comedy tent (but instead of a ticket, you have a specific number of placement rather than just an entry pass.)
3. Announce and make the VIP guidelines clearer. Form a separate VIP line that feeds into the pit first. (I'm not asking for an exclusive VIP pit side, but just some sort of pre--announced perk so all confusion is cleared up.)
A good example of this is what U2 did on their last tour. I recommend this (minus the camping out for days in a line.)
This way people can do other things rather than wait all day. I would have loved to see Jim James, Of Monsters and Men, Tosh...
2. Have a numbered system so we know who was there first. Use the RFID if you have to. That way, as soon as you claim your place via your number, you can leave having reserved a spot. Announced everyone to come back at a certain time (or before a certain time.) This could be similar to the comedy tent (but instead of a ticket, you have a specific number of placement rather than just an entry pass.)
There is really no way this could ever feasibly work. The entire reason it works now is largely because relatively few people are willing to stake out a spot for hours on end - otherwise, everybody and their mother would be trying for pit tickets. It only works with the comedy tent because demand for those shows is comparatively low.
2. Have a numbered system so we know who was there first. Use the RFID if you have to. That way, as soon as you claim your place via your number, you can leave having reserved a spot. Announced everyone to come back at a certain time (or before a certain time.) This could be similar to the comedy tent (but instead of a ticket, you have a specific number of placement rather than just an entry pass.)
There is really no way this could ever feasibly work. The entire reason it works now is largely because relatively few people are willing to stake out a spot for hours on end - otherwise, everybody and their mother would be trying for pit tickets. It only works with the comedy tent because demand for those shows is comparatively low.
Not tickets, per say, but a numbered system. Watch the video for a few minutes. I know some people will just write a number on their hand and claim they were first or second... but something to the extent of numeration.
Also, stuff about infrastructure improvements that he'll ignore. And more fireworks.
"Mr. Capps, we really need to fix the massive ditch and add screens to the tents." "Naah. Say, how about a giant question mark on the Which and a shade structure that does jack shit?"
Post by boerneranger on Dec 3, 2013 19:38:58 GMT -5
I think if you get there first you get the best available parking spot. Less random. We ended up at the base of the western cell tower, far as shit. I also think that instead of paying $800 for a white tent, how about $400 for an empty piece of land close to c.roo, creating a semi VIP, or a KIP (kind of) tent only situation. Lastly, how about the group camping requirement be cut from 20 people to 10. Also, more jeff the brotherhood, less flowers and jam bands.