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The title to this thread should be Roger Waters might play roo 2014. Would love for this to happen though. He has been rumored to play Roo forever and it never happens. What a show it be though
start your own thread and call it whatever you want, buddy.
The title to this thread should be Roger Waters might play roo 2014. Would love for this to happen though. He has been rumored to play Roo forever and it never happens. What a show it be though
start your own thread and call it whatever you want, buddy.
Just to make sure, CPK had a thread titled "Bjork will play Bonnaroo 2013" correct?
I've also seen the DSOTM tour and The Wall. All are amazing. I'll take any version of Floyd I can get on the farm. Especially if it's 2014!
EDIT: to add a side story about this show...I remember the tickets said something like "show starts at 8pm sharp" and we thought that was odd, but we had eaten so much corn, we were just entering the venue at 8 and heard the first few notes of the first song and just sprinted up the stairs to our seats. So young and dumb...
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Post by minneapolisaroo on Jul 1, 2013 16:00:48 GMT -5
I saw The Wall at Fenway and was absolutely blown away. I've read stuff about how he's retiring that after this tour though....so I'm going to throw my support behind him doing "Animals on The Farm!"
I saw The Wall at Fenway and was absolutely blown away. I've read stuff about how he's retiring that after this tour though....so I'm going to throw my support behind him doing "Animals on The Farm!"
Animals was the first CD i ever owned
That said I'd much rather have the Wall or DSotM
Whatever Roger does i'd be game for tho seriously.
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So he's going with the "I have jewish friends" defense. Classic.
So do you think he's an anti-semite, ITM? What do you think about the comments he made regarding the video that accompanied his show? Just curious about your comment.
So he's going with the "I have jewish friends" defense. Classic.
So do you think he's an anti-semite, ITM? What do you think about the comments he made regarding the video that accompanied his show? Just curious about your comment.
So do you think he's an anti-semite, ITM? What do you think about the comments he made regarding the video that accompanied his show? Just curious about your comment.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 2, 2013 15:47:51 GMT -5
Yea, I don't find the show to be anti-semitic. It's clear he has all different things in it that he's making a point about. Being offended by just one of them is being selective.
Yes, it offers perspective. So did he remove the pig from his show though? Even if unintentional it seems pretty obvious how a Jew could find that imagery offensive...
"I should point out that in the show, I also use the Crucifix, the Crescent and Star, the Hammer and Sickle, the Shell Oil Logo and The McDonald’s Sign, a Dollar Sign and a Mercedes sign." - RW
Because associating the Star of David with those symbols means that he doesn't view Jews or Judaism negatively, right?
Again, why does associating one symbol with a bunch of other symbols that he views negatively mean that he's not portraying the first symbol negatively?
His response was very clear, he put it there because the Star of Davis is officially recognized as the national symbol of Israel who he actually has issues with. This is a position I am actually pretty sympathetic with.
Lets try this another way, if I have a huge juicy steak for dinner, does the fact that I also had a side salad make me a vegetarian?
Lol, this is funny only because it is not analogous whatsoever to what we are discussing. I think what you are trying to say is that just because Roger Waters "doesn't like religion" (eating the salad), he's not necessarily a vegetarian (anti-Judaism). The problem is, your "steak" in the example is him hating a bunch of shiz that many people view negatively also. And I don't think hating Christianity, Islam, Communism, Money, etc. means you all of the sudden aren't anti-Judaism.
Really, all it means is that Roger Waters doesn't like a bunch of things, and one of them is Judaism.
GRANTED - he's welcome to his opinion. And I'd still welcome him enthusiastically at Bonnaroo. But for him to act surprised that someone would be offended is kinda naive. He tossed up a Star of David with a bunch of smybols that he openly advocates against.
Ah I see, you were commenting on Waters reaction, not that of the other commenters on this thread.
I get his surprise that from all that people are calling him an anti-Semite, rather than something more all-encompassing.
His response was very clear, he put it there because the Star of Davis is officially recognized as the national symbol of Israel who he actually has issues with. This is a position I am actually pretty sympathetic with.
Yeah, its an easy response, and possibly or even likely a truthful one. But what can he reasonably expect when he makes a visual display which negatively connotes symbols that represent a large group of people?
He put a cross up there as well, I think by and large people going to see The Wall understand what he is trying to convey, and none of it seems anti-Semitic really. It had already been that way for three years now, and this was the first complaint I ever heard of.
As a Jew, I'm pretty sensitive to anything that could be interpreted as anti-Semitic; I have seen The Wall twice, and never once did I get the impression that anything in the show was even remotely anti-Semitic (or anti-Muslim/Christian, for that matter) - and I think anyone who does view it that way is really not viewing the imagery in its proper context. Much of the show is (in my interpretation) about the many walls we put up that alienate us from our fellow man, and how poisonous they really are to us in the long run. That includes money, nationality, military action, political ideologies - and yes, even religion. These are things that are meant to unite us, but often only serve to divide us. I think it's very dangerous when any group of people is considered exempt from criticism for their actions, and I also think it's dangerous when criticism of the dividing nature of ideologies in general is mistaken for an attack on a specific ideology or its followers.
If you really think using the Star of David in a not-so-positive light makes Waters a bigot, then you might also interpret the line "are there any queers in the theatre tonight? get them up against the wall!... That one looks Jewish! And that one's a coon!" as being homophobic, racist, or anti-Semitic - but it's not. As a rock opera, the story focuses largely on the conflict and struggles between the characters (as most any compelling story would), and at that point he's simply taking his turn playing the antagonist. But in no way does that mean he's endorsing those views, any more than that makes the guy who played Hitler in Downfall a Nazi.
