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OK I've been stewing on the finale and how much I loved it all day, time to spill out all those thoughts.
I agree mostly. I too became way more keen to the development of our two heroes. I started looking at the show as more of an investigation into being human (anthropologist in me), our relationships with the world, belief structures, interpersonal heartache and conflicts. Marty and Rust for awhile were certainly operating in a binary system, more of a dichotomy, they were an example of the larger story structure at hand. The show offered many binary systems to ponder: good vs. evil, light vs. dark, science vs. mystical thinking, on and on.
Fundamentally though, I don't see Rust's transformation as complete and tidy as you do. I feel Rust will always be a conflicted person, more of a skeptic, a cynic to the world he sees. Belief in God? I don't see that with Rust. A closer relationship with Marty, sure. A better understanding of what awaits him in the end? That too. But, he still demonstrated his conflicted mind in the end, talking about the fifth man, how the case wasn't fully done yet. He also seemed conflicted about waking up from his coma, as well. Did he want to return this physical shithole? I'm not fully convinced. As with everything else in the show, Rust was always right. They didn't fully complete their job, as more bad men are out there even still. It's a spiral with an open end, never complete. Sadly, there always will be a flat circle. The show, to me, didn't end quite as happily as meets the eye. But, that's been the nature of the story and of Rust from the beginning, and I don't see any reason why it would deviate from its truest form.
I think there's certainly an optimism in Rust there at the end that wasn't there for most of the season. Like I said, I can't picture the Rust of 1995 or the Rust of 2002 saying that the "light's winning."
Also, to be clear, I'm not talking about any sort of religious awakening with Rust. It's more of a spiritual awakening I think (even though as postjack pointed out, the word "spiritual" can be pretty damn vague). I think Rust feeling his daughter during his near-death experience resulted in an epiphany about the interconnectedness of human beings and how essential our loved ones are in life (thus the repeated emphasis on "her love"), and I think it deeply changed Rust (especially since he was already experiencing quite a few changes before that).
Did anyone notice Errol's different voices that he had going on? I spotted a hillbilly accent, a slight British voice, and finally the low reverberating devilish voice he had going on towards the end. And what about that last whispering voice echoing throughout the dungeon walls, leading Rust to the Carcosa room? Was he omnipresent or something in those walls?
At the end, I kind of wondered the entire time if that voice was really there or if it was just in Rust's head like his instinct telling him where to go and taking a sinister voice based of what he knew of Errol. That reminds me. Anybody know why he kept calling Rust "Little Priest"?
At the end, I kind of wondered the entire time if that voice was really there or if it was just in Rust's head like his instinct telling him where to go and taking a sinister voice based of what he knew of Errol. That reminds me. Anybody know why he kept calling Rust "Little Priest"?
He was calling him 'Little Prince'.
Nope, he was definitely calling him "little priest." You'll see it if you turn the subtitles on on HBO Go.
At the end, I kind of wondered the entire time if that voice was really there or if it was just in Rust's head like his instinct telling him where to go and taking a sinister voice based of what he knew of Errol. That reminds me. Anybody know why he kept calling Rust "Little Priest"?
He was calling him 'Little Prince'.
It shows up as priest when you have the captions turned on.
I think there's certainly an optimism in Rust there at the end that wasn't there for most of the season. Like I said, I can't picture the Rust of 1995 or the Rust of 2002 saying that the "light's winning."
Also, to be clear, I'm not talking about any sort of religious awakening with Rust. It's more of a spiritual awakening I think (even though as postjack pointed out, the word "spiritual" can be pretty damn vague). I think Rust feeling his daughter during his near-death experience resulted in an epiphany about the interconnectedness of human beings and how essential our loved ones are in life (thus the repeated emphasis on "her love"), and I think it deeply changed Rust (especially since he was already experiencing quite a few changes before that).
The bold I agree. The rest, which is the beauty of the show, is subjective yet valid.
I don't think Rust was deeply changed. I think he learned something and maybe just something about himself, about his personal hell. But not something he will apply to the whole world, the "interconnected" you see. I believe we definitely witnessed some changes in Marty and Rust. I don't think their changes are near as grand or fundamental as that though- not after a near lifetime of being one way. It would especially cheapen the brilliance of the Rust that captivated us with his critical and scientific mind.
Post by smoothaseggs on Mar 10, 2014 19:10:32 GMT -5
I don't trust closed captioning. It is pretty much one person listening and typing along. Doesn't follow a script. 'Prince' makes way more sense than 'priest'. Yellow King/Prince
I don't trust closed captioning. It is pretty much one person listening and typing along. Doesn't follow a script. 'Prince' makes way more sense than 'priest'. Yellow King/Prince
Unless he pronounces "prince" "preence," sorry to say that you're wrong. Watch it again and listen a little closer.
I don't trust closed captioning. It is pretty much one person listening and typing along. Doesn't follow a script. 'Prince' makes way more sense than 'priest'. Yellow King/Prince
A$AP Rosko's summary of the finale and the whole series was too good to keep within just inforoo - if you want to see a slightly expanded, cleaned up version, read it here:
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Mar 11, 2014 8:36:38 GMT -5
This review/summary of True Detective and more especially, the season finale, is perfect for me. I think it remains grounded in what we have been given as viewers to postulate about and it shows a few minor flaws with the ending that I agree with (the overdone Errol and his sister was teetering on cartoonish for me):
Holy shit. Just finished episode 4... Can't wait to finish so I can read through this thread. I'm on track to finish this show tonight if I don't take a shower before work... It's 5:15 now, I have to leave in exactly 5 hours & have 4 full episodes left to watch. It's happening.
Holy shit. Just finished episode 4... Can't wait to finish so I can read through this thread. I'm on track to finish this show tonight if I don't take a shower before work... It's 5:15 now, I have to leave in exactly 5 hours & have 4 full episodes left to watch. It's happening.
Nice I have a feeling I'll marathon this too. Been looking forward to watching it, hoping for it to happen in a week or so.
OMGSH. I wish I would've watched this show the same time everyone else did. Just read through this thread, up to episode 6 anyways because that's where I'm at, and I wish I could've participated in all this discussion as it was happening (sorry for all the random months late "likes" everyone). I tried to watch all 8 episodes straight and couldn't do it. I had to take a break & take a nap. Unfortunately, that decision leads me to now, where I can't watch the last 3 episodes until at least Wednesday. UGH! Can't wait to finish it and see what theories are right. You guys also gave me so much to think about that I almost want to go back me re watch the first 5 again to catch all these new clues.
I must say that my favorite thing about this show is how it's masterfully written. The dialoigue just flows and it's acted beautifully. I don't think it's on par with BB bad for me yet, but it's helped with the loss for sure. Can't wait to see what the last 3 episodes hold for me, and the next season too.
Although this is super late, just in case people come in here and haven't watched yet...
I think everyone is really on to something with the father in law. I didn't even think about him! I could see some sort of sexual abuse taking place with the older at daughter, Macy? However, I haven't gotten the Marty vibe yet. I don't see it all... Hopefully that's not how it goes down bc I don't like that all. I also thought there was something fishy about the anti-Christian task force or whatever, but that could just be a red-herring? My original thought was that it was Rust, like without a doubt. Actually, a part of me still thinks that Rust becomes some sort if copy cat. But after the father in law theory I've changed my mind. Also, someone mentioned that Rust was at the new crime scenes because he's been obsessed with this case, that makes a lot more sense. Maybe Rust found out about Marty or his father in law and that led to their blow out? But then he wouldn't be obsessed the case stil?? Ugh. So many questions!!
It's also super depressing that I know no one who watches this show, so I have no one to discuss it with! I just want to talk through my theories with someone right now dammit! Curse my coworkers for not being hip to good shows!
Boyfriend and I starting watching it last night... the first two episodes. I can't say I'm blown away. It's not awful but not sure I'm understanding the hype. Perhaps it will become apparent the more I watch
Boyfriend and I starting watching it last night... the first two episodes. I can't say I'm blown away. It's not awful but not sure I'm understanding the hype. Perhaps it will become apparent the more I watch
I thought the exact same thing at first, nothing but the writing & acting really stood out to me. Stick with it though.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Mar 17, 2014 8:54:50 GMT -5
Finally finished it up over the weekend. Great show. I'm excited to see if the second season can measure up and if the characters are as interesting/well-acted.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Mar 19, 2014 11:49:58 GMT -5
Brad Pitt would be awesome. I'd love to see that. I know there were rumors/requests by fans about making one (or both) detectives a female this time around so we can get a different kind of dynamic. Could be interesting. I'm dying to know the two leads (assuming it'll be about two partners again) and the location.
I need to rewatch the first 8 episodes to pick up on little things. Looking forward to it.
I wonder what kind of crime it will be. Or maybe multiple crimes. Can't see it being about a serial killer(s) again but we'll see.
I was thinking about this the other day. Will it be so similar that the new detectives follow up on investigating the Tuttles? Or will it broaden out a little bit to a different case but still focus on systemic corruption? Or is it just going to be another character study of one or more detectives working a case.
Obviously there's no way to even guess but it's interesting to think about.
Post by 3post1jack1 on Mar 19, 2014 12:07:07 GMT -5
Kind of off topic, but for fans of True Detective, anyone watched Rectify?
Wife and I watched the first two episodes last night. Only similar to True Detective in that the lead character is prone to beautiful monologues regarding the nature of space time and our place in it. Well acted, especially the lead who is outstanding, and well written (so far).
I can see how fans of True Detective would also love Rectify.
Nic Pizzolatto: Okay. This is really early, but I'll tell you (it's about) hard women, bad men and the secret occult history of the United States transportation system
I have a feeling I'll marathon this too. Been looking forward to watching it, hoping for it to happen in a week or so.
