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Also, its way too early to tell but I think WH is a copycat killer.
There is definitely something going on with him. I definitely picked up on how the present day detectives always focus on what Rust thinks or how he did things or who he knew. I haven't quite decided if it's because they think WH is incompetent or suspicious.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Jan 20, 2014 16:34:30 GMT -5
They'd have a long way to go if they want to make Martin a copycat killer. I'm not sure they could get there believably. And I don't think Rust will be a killer, I think Dave's idea that they're asking because they're suspicious of Martin's competence seems closer to what will happen.
I also don't think Martin's marriage and partnership fall outs will be as simple as Rust sleeping with Martin's wife. At least I hope not.
Notice how they showed Rust the pictures of the new murder, but not Martin. I think that can be a hugely important piece of information as we try to figure out where Brother Mouzone is going with his present-day investigation.
Also, I will concur with Dave Maynar that Rust's visions were subtle enough that they looked awesome and were pretty captivating. The second one (the one you mentioned, with the birds) was better than the first, but this show is pretty masterful stylistically. It's also masterful from a dialogue standpoint, a structure standpoint (the fact that it hasn't once yet felt fractured despite bobbing and weaving between two very disparate timelines is an immense accomplishment), and obviously an acting standpoint (Jesus Christ was Matty Mac great in those present-day interrogation scenes in last night's episode). I know it's early, but this show is very quickly on its way to joining the pantheon of The Sopranos, The Wire, Breaking Bad, and Mad Men. The fact that it will be a brand new story each season could either help it immensely or hurt it immensely, but I'm very, very excited for the possibilities.
But what about Harrelson's girlfriend on the side? Chick took over my screen last night.
I didn't even know what to say during that scene other than "Holy shit" over and over. I've done research since (haha), she was in an episode of Always Sunny last year as a rich girl that actually liked Charlie.
Notice how they showed Rust the pictures of the new murder, but not Martin. I think that can be a hugely important piece of information as we try to figure out where Brother Mouzone is going with his present-day investigation.
Also, I will concur with Dave Maynar that Rust's visions were subtle enough that they looked awesome and were pretty captivating. The second one (the one you mentioned, with the birds) was better than the first, but this show is pretty masterful stylistically. It's also masterful from a dialogue standpoint, a structure standpoint (the fact that it hasn't once yet felt fractured despite bobbing and weaving between two very disparate timelines is an immense accomplishment), and obviously an acting standpoint (Jesus Christ was Matty Mac great in those present-day interrogation scenes in last night's episode). I know it's early, but this show is very quickly on its way to joining the pantheon of The Sopranos, The Wire, Breaking Bad, and Mad Men. The fact that it will be a brand new story each season could either help it immensely or hurt it immensely, but I'm very, very excited for the possibilities.
I dont know if i can say its ready to join the elite shows like Mad Men, The Wire, BB, Boardwalk Empire, & The Sopranos, but its quickly becoming a show i cant miss an episode of. And love the idea of a new cast and storyline each year, but im not sure im ready to give up MM and WH as season regulars. Theyre outstanding actors and i love how more and more "Big screen" actors are taking the chance on the little screen.
Post by A$AP Rosko on Jan 21, 2014 11:06:35 GMT -5
Well, I didn't say it was there already, I said it was quickly approaching that status. Obviously it's too early to tell, but if the rest of this season is as high-quality as those first two episodes, I think we'll have to at least start mentioning it. What's astounding is how utterly brilliant and flawless this show has been right from the very beginning. Didn't even take any time whatsoever to find its footing.
That said, I can see some potential issues popping up later this season: for one, none of the characters outside of Cohle and Hart are three-dimensional, not even Michelle Monaghan as Hart's wife. I hope this will change at some point soon and that the other characters will get developed a little better, otherwise that could potentially be an issue. Also, I think they have to walk a careful line with Rust's visions (which I'm assuming will be a running theme), and not make them too cheesy so as to give the show a corny supernatural bent. All that being said, after these first two episodes, I have complete faith in Nic Pizzolatto and Cary Fukunaga right now. Can't wait for next week's episode.
But what about Harrelson's girlfriend on the side? Chick took over my screen last night.
I didn't even know what to say during that scene other than "Holy shit" over and over. I've done research since (haha), she was in an episode of Always Sunny last year as a rich girl that actually liked Charlie.
I get the feeling that this season, story arc, etc is going to end as a cliffhanger along the lines of The Sopranos or something similar. Leave it up to individuals to decide and argue amongst themselves as to the true ending.
I think they really furthered the idea that they have suspicions about Rust, i.e. the little break out in the hallway. Also, I think that they started to imply that Rust knows exactly what they are doing by pointing out which one of them was "the box guy". I think that really showed that, regardless of the setting or how it was put to him, he knows that he is being interrogated by them.
One of the things I really appreciate about this show is how subtle it is. There's tons of those little moments that show a lot of what is going on. I had noticed that Marty was not wearing a wedding ring during the present day scenes, but I thought it was a great touch to have him look at his ring finger during the scene where he was talking about his marriage. Also, Marty's daughter looking at her mother for confirmation that she should go to her room showed where the kids were with the relationship.
Lastly, I cannot be the only one who is excited by what looks to possibly be the big bad for the season being introduced. They did a good job of making it look ominous as anything with the slow walk with the gas mask, how they made special reference to this being a part of the story that the present day detectives must be anticipating, the question about the fire fight and comparisons of that place to what Vietnam must have been like.
I think they really furthered the idea that they have suspicions about Rust, i.e. the little break out in the hallway. Also, I think that they started to imply that Rust knows exactly what they are doing by pointing out which one of them was "the box guy". I think that really showed that, regardless of the setting or how it was put to him, he knows that he is being interrogated by them.
One of the things I really appreciate about this show is how subtle it is. There's tons of those little moments that show a lot of what is going on. I had noticed that Marty was not wearing a wedding ring during the present day scenes, but I thought it was a great touch to have him look at his ring finger during the scene where he was talking about his marriage. Also, Marty's daughter looking at her mother for confirmation that she should go to her room showed where the kids were with the relationship.
Lastly, I cannot be the only one who is excited by what looks to possibly be the big bad for the season being introduced. They did a good job of making it look ominous as anything with the slow walk with the gas mask, how they made special reference to this being a part of the story that the present day detectives must be anticipating, the question about the fire fight and comparisons of that place to what Vietnam must have been like.
I agree with everything except that I don't think Ledoux will be the "big bad" for the remainder of the season. I see the stuff with him getting wrapped up by episode 5 or 6, with the last 2 or 3 episodes focusing on the present-day investigation into the copycat killer.
Anyway, this has very quickly become far and away the best show currently on television--stylistically, from a writing standpoint, and from an acting standpoint.
Post by Vibes Chilled on Jan 27, 2014 20:50:10 GMT -5
Anyone think Woody could be the killer? This show is fantastic. Glad to see they brought in Shea Whigham as the preacher man. I love that guy in everything he's in.
My only complaints so far is that I don't think they're doing a good job making Marty seem balanced. Maybe it's intentional, but since the second episode they've just been really hammering home the point that he's an unlikeable douche. Is he really struggling with job emotionally? Because it's not coming across.
Also, having a twist in the last minute of every episode is getting a bit repetitive.
My only complaints so far is that I don't think they're doing a good job making Marty seem balanced. Maybe it's intentional, but since the second episode they've just been really hammering home the point that he's an unlikeable douche. Is he really struggling with job emotionally? Because it's not coming across.
Also, having a twist in the last minute of every episode is getting a bit repetitive.
I could be off here, but I got the sense that that was intentional. That when they opened the show they have the tortured soul (Rust) and his partner who keeps it together for the both of them (Marty), but as we get to know them better we realize Rust isn't as fucked up as we first thought, and Marty's way more fucked up than we could have imagined.
I still think it's a little early to assume Martin or Rust are recreating the murders. Characters keep getting introduced so I am not ready to assume it's one of them. Of the two, my guess would be Martin. But I am hoping for something a little less predictable.
I hope they are wrong. But time will tell. American Horror isn't that great, these guys are doing some remarkable work in this series. Maybe they'll realize it's a mistake to have a totally different premise the next season, maybe not. We'll see.
I hope they are wrong. But time will tell. American Horror isn't that great, these guys are doing some remarkable work in this series. Maybe they'll realize it's a mistake to have a totally different premise the next season, maybe not. We'll see.
Orrrrr maybe they'll do a 100% better job of it, because HBO kicks ass at almost all of their original series?
