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^ That was my reason. Right there. There so many clues when you go back and watch that lead to Marty. It's genius too. Everyone when they first go through and watch it is looking for everyone else to pin it on other than Marty. I finally caught myself doing that and went back and watched some of those episodes again. That's been my theory since doing so- that it's Marty. We'll see though. No one knows for sure.
I would not be surprised at all MM. I was thinkin about that in my head too. One of the daughters def gets molested one way or another, to draw her away from being "normal." Also like you mentioned, that scene is pointless without the father in law being involved in some way. There was way too much friction there to be a quick character shot with no actual impact.
Thats why he said it was right under his nose the whole time! Just gotta wait and find out.
Remember when Marty said he went hunting and bagged a 10 point buck?
Think thats to obvious, I wouldn't think he would divulge that info and could have been just coincidence. Just because Marty likes to hunts doesn't have a connection with there ritual of putting antlers but who knows. Marty does have that yellow hair could be a sign. I still going with his father in law.
I can't help myself but check this out.........This is another prediction that one of Hart's daughters will die in the next few episodes - either suicide or murder. Hart looking back about the "detective's curse" shows that life slipped through his fingers and he missed what was important - his family and attention for them. Much like Cohle's marriage, history repeats itself for the audience looking at the flat circle and a detective's daughter dies and it finally destroys his marriage.
i rewatched all the episodes this past week. at this point it seems fairly obvious the yellow king is not one of these trashy bikers or whatever. the crimes and cult leaning are too sophisticated and planned.
but part of me would be kind of disappointed if it turned out to be some rando we've only seen in one episode. i'm still waiting for a huge twist.
Post by Roo'adelphia on Feb 24, 2014 1:03:30 GMT -5
"....what the f*ck are you doing here!" "Get Out!"
Seems like this episode was all setup and nothing to crazy. We now know the fallout between Rust and Marty. Seems like this was to show us our 2 main characters various weakness with women and alcohol.
I knew that brakelight was going to mean something and what do ya know its the last thing we see. Does it signify something? Will it play a part later? I think it shows that Rust did indeed stay put when he was off the grid because he would have gotten the light fixed/gotten pulled over with it broken.
We learned that there was a pedophile under Tuttle who was dismissed due to "embezzlement" and later died. IMO we eliminated that drunk tent revival preacher as a killer. The tent preacher mentions the book Teleos de Lorca in which he find the pictures.
"if you search "mystic telos" you stumble across something that can't be a coincidence (incidentally, teleos is the Greek word for perfection). The word is an offshoot of teleology, which describes any philosophical belief that concludes that nature always moves toward a definitive end. And "mystical telos" puts forth the notion that if evil exists in nature, its presence is part of a divine plan".
Tuttle say hes involved in "The States Police Charity". Also there were 2 break ins at Tuttles houses before he died.
Chole visited the girl he found at Leddox's years later and learned the "man with the scars/the giant" was linked with Leddox and his gang. "Beth" made an appearance again years later to turn Marty's family around for the worst again. Seems Rust prediction of "is that a down payment" was right. What else does he predict that will come true? And why didnt Maggie disclose her affair with Rust 10 years later?
Marty was damned alot this episode. -Maggie called Marty a "coward" aka yellow when he had his hands on her. -His violence -He was eating "Spaghetti" pretty "Monstrously" -The beatdown jail scene had yellow walls.
"...on second thought why dont you buy me a beer" -Looks like Marty is doing pretty well at his job as a Private Investigator driving a nice car.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Feb 24, 2014 9:24:57 GMT -5
I think I'm done trying to determine who The Yellow King is. It's too tricky to go down that path at this time as nothing seems impossible and because I don't want to set myself up for any sort of expectation. The Yellow King could be anyone (except for Rust, I'm confident it's not him) or no one, just a greater mythological being built up in many people's head.
To me, there is a larger story happening about heroes and anti-heroes and about how monsters live in us all ("a dream and there's a monster at the end"). I can't see it being Marty, only because he can't cover up his tracks with just his infidelities. He is too simple of a man, life is black and white to him, not prone to injecting any sort of greater meaning to one's actions, the exact opposite of the killings. He is, in a sense, Rust's foil. The two of them may just be the two examples of the larger story at hand: both are monsters in different ways, both are heroes in different ways. How is Marty a hero? I have fully yet to decide if indeed I can find redeeming qualities in him. But, also, Rust said himself while answering Marty's questions about them being bad men that they are "bad men. We keep the other bad men from the door." Marty isn't a killer to me. Just a weak person with a broken moral compass when it comes to his own actions (quick to cast judgment on others, but he can't look at himself in the mirror).
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Feb 24, 2014 10:24:25 GMT -5
Oh, and Matty still has a really nice ass. Sorry, fellas, but you guys get to talk about boobs. I get to talk about Rust still being a hottie, despite looking like a meth-head.
I think I'm done trying to determine who The Yellow King is. It's too tricky to go down that path at this time as nothing seems impossible and because I don't want to set myself up for any sort of expectation. The Yellow King could be anyone (except for Rust, I'm confident it's not him) or no one, just a greater mythological being built up in many people's head.
To me, there is a larger story happening about heroes and anti-heroes and about how monsters live in us all ("a dream and there's a monster at the end"). I can't see it being Marty, only because he can't cover up his tracks with just his infidelities. He is too simple of a man, life is black and white to him, not prone to injecting any sort of greater meaning to one's actions, the exact opposite of the killings. He is, in a sense, Rust's foil. The two of them may just be the two examples of the larger story at hand: both are monsters in different ways, both are heroes in different ways. How is Marty a hero? I have fully yet to decide if indeed I can find redeeming qualities in him. But, also, Rust said himself while answering Marty's questions about them being bad men that they are "bad men. We keep the other bad men from the door." Marty isn't a killer to me. Just a weak person with a broken moral compass when it comes to his own actions (quick to cast judgment on others, but he can't look at himself in the mirror).
I think you'll enjoy this write up, if you haven't seen it already:
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Feb 24, 2014 11:13:03 GMT -5
Thank you, Delicious Meatball Sub. That's excellent. I have been grappling with the same issues as that author. I have grown tired of shows, "entertainment," that exploits violence against women and children as its subject matter BUT
"Presenting women as a parade of scolds, sluts, and the strung-out typically makes me hate a television series. But I love True Detective. While it is possible—by which I mean undeniably true—that I am completely in thrall to the ever-captivating McConaissance, I think True Detective has not triggered my usual response because it is, at least on some level, very aware of how stereotypically and perfunctorily it treats its female characters. When it comes to women, True Detective is undeniably shallow—but I think it’s being shallow on purpose."
Oh, and Matty still has a really nice ass. Sorry, fellas, but you guys get to talk about boobs. I get to talk about Rust still being a hottie, despite looking like a meth-head.
Post by Vibes Chilled on Feb 24, 2014 14:24:57 GMT -5
I've already been in 5 different text conversations with various friends about this show since the end of last night's episode.
I'm holding true to my theories that I've had since episode 2. I'll spare you guys the write-up again, because there's only so much of this we can take without going insane. It's a page or 2 back.
Oh, and Matty still has a really nice ass. Sorry, fellas, but you guys get to talk about boobs. I get to talk about Rust still being a hottie, despite looking like a meth-head.
I never mind male butt talks, because I have a fine one and I just use it as an excuse to mention that fact (like I just did here).
Oh, and Matty still has a really nice ass. Sorry, fellas, but you guys get to talk about boobs. I get to talk about Rust still being a hottie, despite looking like a meth-head.
I never mind male butt talks, because I have a fine one and I just use it as an excuse to mention that fact (like I just did here).
I've already been in 5 different text conversations with various friends about this show since the end of last night's episode.
I'm holding true to my theories that I've had since episode 2. I'll spare you guys the write-up again, because there's only so much of this we can take without going insane. It's a page or 2 back.
I can't explain how happy I am with this show.
There is a supernatural kinda feel to the show, but if anything this episode was pure reality. It had less to do with the evil we are looking to put to justice and all to do with the evils within ourselves (and our main characters).
I think the paranoia of the series (or being sick over the weekend) is starting to catch up with me as I feel like I am going further afield with theories.
1) Does anyone else think something else is going on with Marty's new liaison? It just seems a little too easy for them to come together like that without something else going on. 2) I also wonder about Marty's current situation. They have repeatedly kind of beat into our head that Marty is not the most skilled investigator on the planet, so it is somewhat surprising to me that he is doing so well for himself in the private sector. 3) The idea popped into my head last night that Rust's hallucinations have been noticeably absent within the last few episodes. It makes me think about the possibility of how much of what we are being shown with Rust's investigation is actually in reality. He is the only one who has connected everything with the Yellow King and the Man With The Scars, so it's possible even those who were witnesses to the different incidents would not pay any special attention to what that person said or didn't say. The audience buys into the connections because that is what we have been shown much like you buy into Russell Crowe's roommate in A Beautiful Mind. For example, take Rust's interview with the preacher this episode. His reaction to the disgraced former minister could be seen as a reaction to Rust putting all the pieces together, or it could just be a reaction to being reminded of a dark chapter of his ministry. I am not saying this is the theory I am putting my money on. Just something I have thought about. 4) Rather than all setup, I felt like this episode had some payoff as well. Everyone kind of knew there was eventually going to be something going on with Rust and Marty's wife. They had teased it too much with their interactions, and it made too much sense to be what drove the two of them apart. I do wonder if Marty is still mad about it as Marty was obviously covering for Rust to some extent through the interviews, but they blatantly showed Marty checking his gun before he drives off to have a drink with Rust.
Side notes: - You have to love a guy who has cheated on his wife multiple times calling his wife a whore for cheating on him once. - Father John Misty in the soundtrack. Fuck yeah.
Oh, and Matty still has a really nice ass. Sorry, fellas, but you guys get to talk about boobs. I get to talk about Rust still being a hottie, despite looking like a meth-head.
You talk about dudes all you want. I have an appreciation for Michelle Monaghan right now too.
Post by Roo'adelphia on Feb 24, 2014 15:24:25 GMT -5
I was totally thinking setup with the new gal in Marty's life to begin with, but there wasn't a blowout argument involving her like the last mistress, so I think she was more just the catalyst to Marty & Chole's blowout. Now if there are greater forces behind that who knows? He could technically still be with her in present day for all we know right now. I do find it weird that Marty is hooking up with these young, attractive women throughout the series.
I've already been in 5 different text conversations with various friends about this show since the end of last night's episode.
I'm holding true to my theories that I've had since episode 2. I'll spare you guys the write-up again, because there's only so much of this we can take without going insane. It's a page or 2 back.
I can't explain how happy I am with this show.
There is a supernatural kinda feel to the show, but if anything this episode was pure reality. It had less to do with the evil we are looking to put to justice and all to do with the evils within ourselves (and our main characters).
Yeah I'm kinda backing away from the supernatural thing, but I've had some strong convictions for the church, task force and Marty circle for a hot minute. Until convinced otherwise, I won't back off Marty. There's gotta be a reason for it being called True Detective, not True Detectives.
There is a supernatural kinda feel to the show, but if anything this episode was pure reality. It had less to do with the evil we are looking to put to justice and all to do with the evils within ourselves (and our main characters).
Yeah I'm kinda backing away from the supernatural thing, but I've had some strong convictions for the church, task force and Marty circle for a hot minute. Until convinced otherwise, I won't back off Marty. There's gotta be a reason for it being called True Detective, not True Detectives.
Are they changing the title in future seasons, when they have entirely new casts and plot lines?
