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I was totally thinking setup with the new gal in Marty's life to begin with, but there wasn't a blowout argument involving her like the last mistress, so I think she was more just the catalyst to Marty & Chole's blowout. Now if there are greater forces behind that who knows? He could technically still be with her in present day for all we know right now. I do find it weird that Marty is hooking up with these young, attractive women throughout the series.
I really think the new fling is just to demonstrate Marty's inability to commit to anything, once again. He is failing as a husband, as a father, he is angry that he is carrying around a bag of tampons (emasculating so he has to reaffirm his manhood). I think she was brought back to hold true to the "down payment" comment made by Rust at the hillbilly bunny ranch: Rust knows Marty better than Marty knows himself. Marty "preys" on weak women himself. Easy targets for him are young, somewhat lost, women who get starstruck by his gun and his badge. Easy targets for the killers are prostitutes and druggies. There are many parallels between Marty and the murderers that Rust is profiling. This isn't fodder for Marty being a killer: he's just, in my mind, an example of the larger themes going on in the story: human weakness, hypocrisy, not knowing who one is.
I can't think of a worse ending for this show than for "it" to be Marty. Ok, Maggie's father-in-law would be worse.
But, why the doll scene with the daughters? How do they know what the murder scene looked like? Why so much attention placed upon the older daughter and her bad behavior? I'm asking how do you think this ties in?
The girls playing with the dolls in their room and re-enacting the ritual murder screams to me that somehow, they have been involved/seen something.
I was totally thinking setup with the new gal in Marty's life to begin with, but there wasn't a blowout argument involving her like the last mistress, so I think she was more just the catalyst to Marty & Chole's blowout. Now if there are greater forces behind that who knows? He could technically still be with her in present day for all we know right now. I do find it weird that Marty is hooking up with these young, attractive women throughout the series.
I really think the new fling is just to demonstrate Marty's inability to commit to anything, once again. He is failing as a husband, as a father, he is angry that he is carrying around a bag of tampons (emasculating so he has to reaffirm his manhood). I think she was brought back to hold true to the "down payment" comment made by Rust at the hillbilly bunny ranch: Rust knows Marty better than Marty knows himself. Marty "preys" on weak women himself. Easy targets for him are young, somewhat lost, women who get starstruck by his gun and his badge. Easy targets for the killers are prostitutes and druggies. There are many parallels between Marty and the murderers that Rust is profiling. This isn't fodder for Marty being a killer: he's just, in my mind, an example of the larger themes going on in the story: human weakness, hypocrisy, not knowing who one is.
Agreed (I think). I don't think Beth's appearance had any purpose other than to demonstrate Marty's attraction to women he can save and/or protect.
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I was totally thinking setup with the new gal in Marty's life to begin with, but there wasn't a blowout argument involving her like the last mistress, so I think she was more just the catalyst to Marty & Chole's blowout. Now if there are greater forces behind that who knows? He could technically still be with her in present day for all we know right now. I do find it weird that Marty is hooking up with these young, attractive women throughout the series.
I really think the new fling is just to demonstrate Marty's inability to commit to anything, once again. He is failing as a husband, as a father, he is angry that he is carrying around a bag of tampons (emasculating so he has to reaffirm his manhood). I think she was brought back to hold true to the "down payment" comment made by Rust at the hillbilly bunny ranch: Rust knows Marty better than Marty knows himself. Marty "preys" on weak women himself. Easy targets for him are young, somewhat lost, women who get starstruck by his gun and his badge. Easy targets for the killers are prostitutes and druggies. There are many parallels between Marty and the murderers that Rust is profiling. This isn't fodder for Marty being a killer: he's just, in my mind, an example of the larger themes going on in the story: human weakness, hypocrisy, not knowing who one is.
Exactly. Marty falling into his old habits isn't proof that he's a killer, or a predator. It's proof that he's a philandering drunk who is a failure, his entire life is falling apart around him. He alienated the only person he could even attempt to call a friend to the point that the "friend" let a moment of weakness overcome him. Cohle is tortured, Marty is a torturer, but his tools are emotional distress, lies and mistrust and not blades.
I was totally thinking setup with the new gal in Marty's life to begin with, but there wasn't a blowout argument involving her like the last mistress, so I think she was more just the catalyst to Marty & Chole's blowout. Now if there are greater forces behind that who knows? He could technically still be with her in present day for all we know right now. I do find it weird that Marty is hooking up with these young, attractive women throughout the series.
I really think the new fling is just to demonstrate Marty's inability to commit to anything, once again. He is failing as a husband, as a father, he is angry that he is carrying around a bag of tampons (emasculating so he has to reaffirm his manhood). I think she was brought back to hold true to the "down payment" comment made by Rust at the hillbilly bunny ranch: Rust knows Marty better than Marty knows himself. Marty "preys" on weak women himself. Easy targets for him are young, somewhat lost, women who get starstruck by his gun and his badge. Easy targets for the killers are prostitutes and druggies. There are many parallels between Marty and the murderers that Rust is profiling. This isn't fodder for Marty being a killer: he's just, in my mind, an example of the larger themes going on in the story: human weakness, hypocrisy, not knowing who one is.
I can see what you are saying here. I think one's perception of her motivation will flavor whatever you think is going on with her. She did push the relationship to begin as Marty seemed content to buy his phone and then go drink. She is the one that came over to the bar and then out with him later. All this could be brought about by a distorted perception of Marty as a good man and her rescuer. On the other hand, she has seemingly pulled herself out of the life that she was leading at the time they initially met and established herself in a straight job. Why would she need to backslide to that same place 7 years later? Given, all this doesn't absolve Marty at all of the fact that he is knowingly getting together with someone he knows has had a rough upbringing and is also waaaaay younger than him. I was just more looking at her side of things.
I can't think of a worse ending for this show than for "it" to be Marty. Ok, Maggie's father-in-law would be worse.
But, why the doll scene with the daughters? How do they know what the murder scene looked like? Why so much attention placed upon the older daughter and her bad behavior? I'm asking how do you think this ties in?
The girls playing with the dolls in their room and re-enacting the ritual murder screams to me that somehow, they have been involved/seen something.
I don't think that it means Marty or FIL are responsible. One daughter seems perfectly normal and well adjusted, while the other was doing the doll shit and drawing dicks on her homework. It seems to me if it was the FIL both daughters would be affected? She could have been exposed to what's going on in a number of possible ways. I think, given what we know about Marty, it'd be a much more meaningful ending to the show if he solves the mystery by actually listening to a woman rather than doing the knee-jerk protection bit.
Was the FIL an important state official? I sorta remember that. Maybe it's someone connected to him, but he's not involved?
I can't think of a worse ending for this show than for "it" to be Marty. Ok, Maggie's father-in-law would be worse.
But, why the doll scene with the daughters? How do they know what the murder scene looked like? Why so much attention placed upon the older daughter and her bad behavior? I'm asking how do you think this ties in?
The girls playing with the dolls in their room and re-enacting the ritual murder screams to me that somehow, they have been involved/seen something.
The father in law is almost certainly involved as well as the Pastor ('big men' protecting him, per the suicided murderer). I think the murder scene recreation has something to do with the daughters seeing something while staying with the Father in Law or possibly being victims themselves.
Post by kickerconspiracy on Feb 24, 2014 16:11:33 GMT -5
Big question I have is about the end of ep5. When Rust goes to the abandoned school and finds the sculptures, it was in the past, why wasn't Marty with him? It seems like a pretty major discovery, how did he not share this info with Marty? Also, the end of that episode the camera pans out in a weird way so that we are getting a further and further view of Rust picking up the twig sculptures. Was that supposed to indicate someone was there and watching him? That was my read but it could be off.
Big question I have is about the end of ep5. When Rust goes to the abandoned school and finds the sculptures, it was in the past, why wasn't Marty with him. If it was such a big discovery, how did he not share this info with Marty. Also, the end of that episode the camera pans out in a weird way so that we are getting a further and further view of Rust picking up the twig sculptures. Was that supposed to indicate someone was there and watching him? That was my read but it could be off.
I think he was by himself because they had said during that episode (I believe) that he had started chasing stuff in his off time more and more as time went on that was apart from anything that had to do with what him and marty were doing on the clock. I feel it was trying to set up more that the group of killers was Rust's obsession alone. At the end episode, the camera pulls back through that window to show the trees that are drawn on the wall which I thought was a nod to a larger clue there that maybe Rust missed (or saw later off camera).
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Feb 24, 2014 16:15:51 GMT -5
I just feel like a lot of theories about the FIL are based on the fact that he is a male character that hasn't been ruled out. The girl Rust visited in the hospital was in catatonic shock because of what happened to her. It seems like what's going on with Marty's daughter is something different, but possibly similar.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Feb 24, 2014 16:21:32 GMT -5
I certainly don't think Marty is involved. But, I do think somehow one of his daughters has been involved (probably the FIL) and that may end being the ultimate price that Marty has to pay. The doll scene, five male dolls standing around a naked female doll, has to be accounted for in some fashion: what have they seen (if not both, than yes, just the older daughter) to make them want to do that? Everything in this show is so meticulously crafted and purposeful, this has to be something important.
I certainly don't think Marty is involved. But, I do think somehow one of his daughters has been involved (probably the FIL) and that may end being the ultimate price that Marty has to pay. The doll scene, five male dolls standing around a naked female doll, has to be accounted for in some fashion: what have they seen (if not both, than yes, just the older daughter) to make them want to do that? Everything in this show is so meticulously crafted and purposeful, this has to be something important.
When I first saw that I thought it was police detectives investigating a murder.
Here is an excerpt from an interview with Michelle Monaghan:
Critics have said that True Detective is male-centric, that it’s the Rust & Marty show, and that female characters have been marginalized. What’s your response?
I think Episode 6 is a good rebuttal to that critique. The reason why I signed on to the project is because I loved Maggie. I thought she was a completely fleshed out character. She has this very meaningful arc. She starts out as a nurturing person—a very protective wife and mother. She’s trying to keep her marriage intact. But ultimately, in Episode 6, after Maggie finds out about Marty’s infidelity once again, and she sees her own daughter’s behavior unraveling, no doubt because of Marty’s absence, she realizes she really needs to do something critical in order to save herself and her daughters. And the ultimate revenge for her is to have an affair with the person Marty is most threatened by—his partner. She knows that Marty will never, ever be able to recover from that.
I'm not saying the explanation for the daughter's behavior IS that simple, but it certainly could be.
Now that Maggie and Marty are divorced, is Marty’s family still going to be part of the plot going forward?
You mean my family? As in, my mother and father and that sort of thing?
Sure. I was wondering mainly about your daughters, Audrey and Maisie, but Marty’s father-in-law—Maggie’s father—did show up earlier in the series, living in a big waterfront house and complaining about “kids these days.” Let’s put them all on the table.
Yes, yes. Our family—everybody—is still going to be part of the plot going forward.
"....what the f*ck are you doing here!" "Get Out!"
Seems like this episode was all setup and nothing to crazy. We now know the fallout between Rust and Marty. Seems like this was to show us our 2 main characters various weakness with women and alcohol.
I knew that brakelight was going to mean something and what do ya know its the last thing we see. Does it signify something? Will it play a part later? I think it shows that Rust did indeed stay put when he was off the grid because he would have gotten the light fixed/gotten pulled over with it broken.
We learned that there was a pedophile under Tuttle who was dismissed due to "embezzlement" and later died. IMO we eliminated that drunk tent revival preacher as a killer. The tent preacher mentions the book Teleos de Lorca in which he find the pictures.
"if you search "mystic telos" you stumble across something that can't be a coincidence (incidentally, teleos is the Greek word for perfection). The word is an offshoot of teleology, which describes any philosophical belief that concludes that nature always moves toward a definitive end. And "mystical telos" puts forth the notion that if evil exists in nature, its presence is part of a divine plan".
Tuttle say hes involved in "The States Police Charity". Also there were 2 break ins at Tuttles houses before he died.
Chole visited the girl he found at Leddox's years later and learned the "man with the scars/the giant" was linked with Leddox and his gang. "Beth" made an appearance again years later to turn Marty's family around for the worst again. Seems Rust prediction of "is that a down payment" was right. What else does he predict that will come true? And why didnt Maggie disclose her affair with Rust 10 years later?
Marty was damned alot this episode. -Maggie called Marty a "coward" aka yellow when he had his hands on her. -His violence -He was eating "Spaghetti" pretty "Monstrously" -The beatdown jail scene had yellow walls.
"...on second thought why dont you buy me a beer" -Looks like Marty is doing pretty well at his job as a Private Investigator driving a nice car.
I agree with your take on the broken brakelight. I think it's more evidence he's been playing a long-con, of sorts. He wanted everyone to think he'd walked away from the investigation and disappeared into a can of cheap beer, but in reality he hadn't. He'd continued working the case on his own. To me, he's the basis for the show being titled "True Detective" - singular, not plural. I am curious about how things are going to play out with Marty. His name, Marty Hart, eerily resembles the word "martyr." I get the feeling nothing in this series is by accident, that the writer poured over the smallest of details, including the names.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Feb 24, 2014 16:44:11 GMT -5
More so than what's going on with the daughter and even determining who the killers are, I've become obsessed with the dichotomy between Rust and Marty. Revisiting their dialogues offers so much insight into the overarching theme of the show: being human and all of its fallacies. What we think we are, what we put faith in, and how we actually live in constant contradiction of these things. I'm sure my critical theory anthropologist colleagues of the past will have a field day in their classrooms with this one.
Post by ilovethisgame on Feb 24, 2014 17:42:48 GMT -5
Proof that this show is consuming WAY too many of my thoughts: as I was nearing the end of my run, Pandora pulls out FJM's "Everyman Needs a Companion". All I could think was, "You better finish this strong if you want to look like Beth!" I think I have a problem.
I think the paranoia of the series (or being sick over the weekend) is starting to catch up with me as I feel like I am going further afield with theories.
1) Does anyone else think something else is going on with Marty's new liaison? It just seems a little too easy for them to come together like that without something else going on. 2) I also wonder about Marty's current situation. They have repeatedly kind of beat into our head that Marty is not the most skilled investigator on the planet, so it is somewhat surprising to me that he is doing so well for himself in the private sector. 3) The idea popped into my head last night that Rust's hallucinations have been noticeably absent within the last few episodes. It makes me think about the possibility of how much of what we are being shown with Rust's investigation is actually in reality. He is the only one who has connected everything with the Yellow King and the Man With The Scars, so it's possible even those who were witnesses to the different incidents would not pay any special attention to what that person said or didn't say. The audience buys into the connections because that is what we have been shown much like you buy into Russell Crowe's roommate in A Beautiful Mind. For example, take Rust's interview with the preacher this episode. His reaction to the disgraced former minister could be seen as a reaction to Rust putting all the pieces together, or it could just be a reaction to being reminded of a dark chapter of his ministry. I am not saying this is the theory I am putting my money on. Just something I have thought about. 4) Rather than all setup, I felt like this episode had some payoff as well. Everyone kind of knew there was eventually going to be something going on with Rust and Marty's wife. They had teased it too much with their interactions, and it made too much sense to be what drove the two of them apart. I do wonder if Marty is still mad about it as Marty was obviously covering for Rust to some extent through the interviews, but they blatantly showed Marty checking his gun before he drives off to have a drink with Rust.
Side notes: - You have to love a guy who has cheated on his wife multiple times calling his wife a whore for cheating on him once. - Father John Misty in the soundtrack. Fuck yeah.
Father John Misty was playing at Beth's place in 2002. This show sucks!
I think the paranoia of the series (or being sick over the weekend) is starting to catch up with me as I feel like I am going further afield with theories.
1) Does anyone else think something else is going on with Marty's new liaison? It just seems a little too easy for them to come together like that without something else going on. 2) I also wonder about Marty's current situation. They have repeatedly kind of beat into our head that Marty is not the most skilled investigator on the planet, so it is somewhat surprising to me that he is doing so well for himself in the private sector. 3) The idea popped into my head last night that Rust's hallucinations have been noticeably absent within the last few episodes. It makes me think about the possibility of how much of what we are being shown with Rust's investigation is actually in reality. He is the only one who has connected everything with the Yellow King and the Man With The Scars, so it's possible even those who were witnesses to the different incidents would not pay any special attention to what that person said or didn't say. The audience buys into the connections because that is what we have been shown much like you buy into Russell Crowe's roommate in A Beautiful Mind. For example, take Rust's interview with the preacher this episode. His reaction to the disgraced former minister could be seen as a reaction to Rust putting all the pieces together, or it could just be a reaction to being reminded of a dark chapter of his ministry. I am not saying this is the theory I am putting my money on. Just something I have thought about. 4) Rather than all setup, I felt like this episode had some payoff as well. Everyone kind of knew there was eventually going to be something going on with Rust and Marty's wife. They had teased it too much with their interactions, and it made too much sense to be what drove the two of them apart. I do wonder if Marty is still mad about it as Marty was obviously covering for Rust to some extent through the interviews, but they blatantly showed Marty checking his gun before he drives off to have a drink with Rust.
Side notes: - You have to love a guy who has cheated on his wife multiple times calling his wife a whore for cheating on him once. - Father John Misty in the soundtrack. Fuck yeah.
Father John Misty was playing at Beth's place in 2002. This show sucks!
I think the paranoia of the series (or being sick over the weekend) is starting to catch up with me as I feel like I am going further afield with theories.
1) Does anyone else think something else is going on with Marty's new liaison? It just seems a little too easy for them to come together like that without something else going on. 2) I also wonder about Marty's current situation. They have repeatedly kind of beat into our head that Marty is not the most skilled investigator on the planet, so it is somewhat surprising to me that he is doing so well for himself in the private sector. 3) The idea popped into my head last night that Rust's hallucinations have been noticeably absent within the last few episodes. It makes me think about the possibility of how much of what we are being shown with Rust's investigation is actually in reality. He is the only one who has connected everything with the Yellow King and the Man With The Scars, so it's possible even those who were witnesses to the different incidents would not pay any special attention to what that person said or didn't say. The audience buys into the connections because that is what we have been shown much like you buy into Russell Crowe's roommate in A Beautiful Mind. For example, take Rust's interview with the preacher this episode. His reaction to the disgraced former minister could be seen as a reaction to Rust putting all the pieces together, or it could just be a reaction to being reminded of a dark chapter of his ministry. I am not saying this is the theory I am putting my money on. Just something I have thought about. 4) Rather than all setup, I felt like this episode had some payoff as well. Everyone kind of knew there was eventually going to be something going on with Rust and Marty's wife. They had teased it too much with their interactions, and it made too much sense to be what drove the two of them apart. I do wonder if Marty is still mad about it as Marty was obviously covering for Rust to some extent through the interviews, but they blatantly showed Marty checking his gun before he drives off to have a drink with Rust.
Side notes: - You have to love a guy who has cheated on his wife multiple times calling his wife a whore for cheating on him once. - Father John Misty in the soundtrack. Fuck yeah.
Father John Misty was playing at Beth's place in 2002. This show sucks!
But...But she could just be wayyyyyyyy ahead of her time with taking nude selfies of herself in 2002 on picture phones while future Father John Misty vibes play in the background. This chick's got it together.
I have two problems with an otherwise wonderful ahow.
one what happened to Ginger? this is too big of a detail to brush under the rug.did cohle's murder ginger in cold blood?
two why did I the shooting board buy their story? it seems like a lot of physical evidence to fake. prints on the gun are easy enough, but wouldn't a gun residue on ledoux's hands and cohle's go that matter from firing the AK? the casings were well away from where ledoux was shot also.
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