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Today was a tough day. I spent a week with Kobe and the family back in 2008, and another three or four days in 2015. He was a good dude. Great father.
I mean, he was also a rapist.
He did a lot for basketball and the LA community. Especially in his late career, he was a role model for other players both on and off the court with the respect he showed to others along with the financial stability he was setting up for himself. He was also a rapist. A tricky part of a person's legacy is that both sides exist together, and not everyone is going to balance them the same as you might. Being respectful of that even when you disagree can be a challenge.
Post by piggy pablo on Jan 27, 2020 12:02:51 GMT -5
Imagine being his accuser yesterday, seeing the reverence everyone held for him, with virtually no mention of how he was credibly accused of rape and bought his way out of it. And she would obviously know what we never could, but have reason to believe.
We can have a discussion about balance, sure, but it's been 99% effusive, positive coverage and mourning, and the 1% who bring up the problematic stuff immediately get shut down, so like, while I respect the impact he had on a lot of people's lives, I don't fault snowman for bringing it up at all.
Imagine being his accuser yesterday, seeing the reverence everyone held for him, with virtually no mention of how he was credibly accused of rape and bought his way out of it. And she would obviously know what we never could, but have reason to believe.
We can have a discussion about balance, sure, but it's been 99% effusive, positive coverage and mourning, and the 1% who bring up the problematic stuff immediately get shut down, so like, while I respect the impact he had on a lot of people's lives, I don't fault snowman for bringing it up at all.
Oh I wasn't trying to fault him for it at all. I think it's important that his misdeeds do not get swept aside in the face of his positive impacts on the world. I was thinking on it more from the idea that he could have simultaneously been the good guy that Arch experienced in his time and also a rapist which is a really more of a general thought I have been having today rather than a direct response to snowman.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jan 27, 2020 12:58:12 GMT -5
Within the first 24 hours of Kobe dying, I am taking time to appreciate how great of a basketball player he was. His discipline and focus on winning and shitting on opponents was awesome. And I am very envious of how easily he transitioned from his sports career to life after sports. He seemed to be a very intellectually curious person on top of being mentally and physically disciplined. I admire all of those things and would call Kobe a very "impressive" dude.
But I think Snowman was right to flag someone calling Kobe a "good" dude. The rape story is clearly a dark stain on his legacy. I still think it's ok to celebrate him overall immediately following his death, but that story shouldn't be discarded in the long run.
Also this death has reminded me of some of the weird ways that people virtue signal on social media. The amount of people on my timeline that have said something to the effect of, "11 cops have died in the line of duty so far in 2020," or "RIP to the 7 other people on the helicopter" without ever saying RIP Kobe. Lol people are so weird sometimes.
Also this death has reminded me of some of the weird ways that people virtue signal on social media. The amount of people on my timeline that have said something to the effect of, "11 cops have died in the line of duty so far in 2020," or "RIP to the 7 other people on the helicopter" without ever saying RIP Kobe. Lol people are so weird sometimes.
“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter."
“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter."
That's rape bro.
All that says is he understands her point of view. Not that she was right.
“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter."
That's rape bro.
All that says is he understands her point of view. Not that she was right.
Jebus. His “apology” was some double talk bullshit because he basically said “I don’t think I raped her but I understand why she doesn’t think she consented.” You can’t understand why the other person thinks they didn’t consent but still maintain that they did consent. If he understood that she didn’t think she consented, he understood that she didn’t consent. And if she didn’t consent, he raped her. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
This is one of those weird cases where someone died unexpectedly and had done both great and bad things. We can feel sad for the loss and also remember that he got away with sexual assault. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
I don't want to downplay what happened there, but at the same time there's the one case in 2003 - unless there's something we don't know and hasn't been reported. One case is bad no doubt, but let's be thankful it's only one rather than him being a habitual abuser/rapist that left a trail of victims. I'd have far less sympathy for him if there were more victims out there.
Post by Arch Stanton on Jan 27, 2020 18:26:36 GMT -5
So I was trying to find a way to connect my few interactions with the Bryant family to a music forum, then Stronger by Kanye came on the radio in my car and it brought back a stupid memory.
In 2008, I spent a week with the Bryants. Within a day or so, Kobe realized he wasn't a fan of any of the Orlando hip hop radio stations. So off we went to Best Buy, where he sent in one of his security guards to buy a few CD's. One of the CD's was Kanye's Graduation. That CD basically played on repeat in the car (very, very loudly) for the rest of the week. You know how hearing a song can take you back to a time and a place? To this day, if I hear Flashing Lights it immediately brings me back to July of 2008.
Also this death has reminded me of some of the weird ways that people virtue signal on social media. The amount of people on my timeline that have said something to the effect of, "11 cops have died in the line of duty so far in 2020," or "RIP to the 7 other people on the helicopter" without ever saying RIP Kobe. Lol people are so weird sometimes.
no cop has ever scored 80 points in a game and that's what matters
Also this death has reminded me of some of the weird ways that people virtue signal on social media. The amount of people on my timeline that have said something to the effect of, "11 cops have died in the line of duty so far in 2020," or "RIP to the 7 other people on the helicopter" without ever saying RIP Kobe. Lol people are so weird sometimes.
no cop has ever scored 80 points in a game and that's what matters
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