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They are doing nearly 60% better than last year, and I bet if they stay the course theyll be back to normal next year. The problem is they tried to pass one of those "popular niche acts" you love so much, off as a headliner, and they drew flies. Just like Mysteryland drew flies with them and had to cancel, just like Wayhome took such a hit with them they had to cut the budget this year, just like ACL tickets to see them were $30. Enjoy them at Pitchfork in front of 20k ppl. They had no business headlining a fest meant for 75k. And the way back to 75k isnt with more "popular niche acts" playing to empty tents.
And now you're blaming this shit on LCD? What in the actual fuck is wrong with you this morning? It's Easter, dude.
I blamed LCD a few pages back too. Thats what sparked the whole conversation.
I fucking love LCD. One of my all time favorites. I went to two nights of their final run years ago, I was at the first show back at Webster last year, I was at BK Steel to see them last weekend.
Look where they headlined last year, look where they are headlining this year. Look who was at the top of the poster on the fest that just had to cancel.
Obviously they are not the draw ppl thought theyd be.
Going to a festival for Mumsons is the musical equivalent to going to Wrestlemania for Roman Reigns, Launchpad McQuack . No one does that.
Ha. Love the metaphore sir.
Sometimes what we like, isnt best for business.
Good thing Vinnie Mac knows how to stack an UNDERCARD with cool shit like the Hardyz flipping from ladders, amidst Roman's desire for nuclear holocaust.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Apr 16, 2017 12:17:24 GMT -5
Launchpad, do you honestly believe that Bonnaroo would have sold 25K more tickets last year if LCD hadn't been the third headliner? Because that's basically what you're arguing.
I'm limited to like one guy atm who gets music AND wrestling at the moment, y'all. If he were here he could confirm that I'm killing it to the 10 people who read this board.
Launchpad, do you honestly believe that Bonnaroo would have sold 25K more tickets last year if LCD hadn't been the third headliner? Because that's basically what you're arguing.
Well I also don't think college kids gave a crap about Dead Mayer either. Meaning only 1/3rd of the top line had any kind of drawing power.
Replace last years headliners, with this years, and they wouldnt have had any problem.
Agree with this guy and admit you don't have a clue ^
Edit: mostly because if I run a music festival I probably know that I shouldn't put all of my eggs in the LCD basket. You should probably even try to attract more of their fans by booking other artists they might like. I get booking new acts to bring new crowds. Yes folks, even Getter. But you can't have such an identity crisis in one year in doing so in that you leave your jam/alt legend and little niche, synth band on an island. Support, supprort, support.
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IF THAT'S THE ONLY THING PEOPLE WANTED THEY WOULDN'T BE SELLING SEVERAL THOUSAND FEWER TICKETS THIS YEAR.
They are doing nearly 60% better than last year, and I bet if they stay the course theyll be back to normal next year. The problem is they tried to pass one of those "popular niche acts" you love so much, off as a headliner, and they drew flies. Just like Mysteryland drew flies with them and had to cancel, just like Wayhome took such a hit with them they had to cut the budget this year, just like ACL tickets to see them were $30.
Just to clarify on the ACL Sunday ticket prices for LCD, the prices bottomed out to the $30-$35 range only briefly (a few days, less than a week for sure).
There was a of people wanting to dump tickets no matter what, and that bottomed the price put temporarily. I waited too long to pick up mine, and prices quickly rebounded into the +$70 range.
I did pick up a Fri Radiohead ticket for under $50 I believe, but would have to check to be sure. ACL day tickets were soft except for Sat. This wasn't just bc of LCD.
Post by abefroman1 on Apr 16, 2017 17:21:39 GMT -5
LCD is a perfect 6-12 level band that will pack a tent and that is the problem with festivals now. Too many acts have been elevated to headliner status when they just aren't headiners. They are music vets that have occupied mid range slots and have a solid following but their popularity hasn't increased as substantially as their billing.
LCD is a perfect 6-12 level band that will pack a tent and that is the problem with festivals now. Too many acts have been elevated to headliner status when they just aren't headiners. They are music vets that have occupied mid range slots and have a solid following but their popularity hasn't increased as substantially as their billing.
Who else do you think is booked as a headliner that shouldn't be?
Mumford or Mumson (lol) was the headliner at ACL Sunday on their largest stage. LCD was the on the smaller mainstage....so maybe they take more of the blame?
Btw, I went both Sundays for LCD n loved every minute.
Rothric is right but still shows the lower value those tickets held in comparison to years past.
This whole LCD being over hyped has me wondering of the Gorillaz are in the same boat? Most people don't know them or just know of them and lot of people akin yo hip hop I've met do not like any of the new songs. Gorillaz, so far, isn't whoring it out either but I wonder if they end up having a big draw.
Do I think they're crazy? Yes.
At least Gorillaz are hosting a reasonably priced festival.
LCD is a perfect 6-12 level band that will pack a tent and that is the problem with festivals now. Too many acts have been elevated to headliner status when they just aren't headiners. They are music vets that have occupied mid range slots and have a solid following but their popularity hasn't increased as substantially as their billing.
Who else do you think is booked as a headliner that shouldn't be?
Phoenix, the XX, kings of leon, the killers, Florence Muse
Btw this isn't a slam that these bands aren't good (I like Phoenix and Florence) but that they are booked as top 4 acts when they aren't big enough to be a top 4 at festivals trying to sell 80k tickets
This whole LCD being over hyped has me wondering of the Gorillaz are in the same boat? Most people don't know them or just know of them and lot of people akin yo hip hop I've met do not like any of the new songs. Gorillaz, so far, isn't whoring it out either but I wonder if they end up having a big draw.
Do I think they're crazy? Yes.
At least Gorillaz are hosting a reasonably priced festival.
Gorillaz have had mainstream radio songs. LCD never have.
I know people who had no idea who LCD even were up until last summer. Those same ppl have known of Gorillaz for well over a decade. Gorillaz start in a much stronger place when it comes to name recognition.
But I am sure there is a concern that the audience has turned over so much that they arent as relevant as they once were. We'll find out.
No, but they obviously do cost them some money. If I was running a business and I could cut out a cost without having any effect on gross income, I would do it. If there's not any value there in terms of profit for the festival, then is there value in booking them at all?
Nice job cropping out the second, related question in my argument.
Nice job editing it in after I already started answering.
Somebody has to play in those slots. Its not cutting any sort of cost. Playing Coachella helps an artists career and gives them exposure. If Moderat says they dont want to play, another 100 acts are standing right behind them wanting to take that slot.
Playing in the middle of nowhere TN, doesnt help an acts career the way playing close to major media markets like LA or NYC does. Bonnaroo is a brand, but not in the way that Coachella or Lolla are. Coachella/Lolla can sell hundreds of thoudands of tickets, regardless of the lineup. Roo also has to compete with other offers that acts are getting to play elsewhere.
Somebody doesn't have to be a well known act. They could throw in a small local act for a fraction of the cost, or any number of acts who would be cheaper. Unless there's some evidence that bands are taking a pay cut just for the chance to play Coachella.
In response to some of your other posts, I still feel like you're falsely interpreting stage attendance during the festival as a total reflection of consumer choice in purchasing the tickets in the first place. I purchased a ticket in 2013 with full intention of seeing both Beach House and Bjork, but given the schedule, only had the opportunity to see Bjork. Does that mean that Beach House being on the bill had nothing to do with me buying that ticket on day one of sales?
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Who else do you think is booked as a headliner that shouldn't be?
Phoenix, the XX, kings of leon, the killers, Florence Muse
Btw this isn't a slam that these bands aren't good (I like Phoenix and Florence) but that they are booked as top 4 acts when they aren't big enough to be a top 4 at festivals trying to sell 80k tickets
Kings of Leon, The Killers, and Muse have been filling arenas and sheds for over a decade. Like them or not they're all legit headliners at any festival.
Phoenix, the XX, kings of leon, the killers, Florence Muse
Btw this isn't a slam that these bands aren't good (I like Phoenix and Florence) but that they are booked as top 4 acts when they aren't big enough to be a top 4 at festivals trying to sell 80k tickets
Kings of Leon, The Killers, and Muse have been filling arenas and sheds for over a decade. Like them or not they're all legit headliners at any festival.
I can't see Florence being outside a top 3 anywhere going forward anymore either. She's a huge draw, and is constantly putting on top notch shows.
Only one I'd really argue would be Phoenix. Even the XX have been pulling huge crowds. Someone in the Coachella thread even said there was a bigger crowd for them than there was for Radiohead
Nice job editing it in after I already started answering.
Somebody has to play in those slots. Its not cutting any sort of cost. Playing Coachella helps an artists career and gives them exposure. If Moderat says they dont want to play, another 100 acts are standing right behind them wanting to take that slot.
Playing in the middle of nowhere TN, doesnt help an acts career the way playing close to major media markets like LA or NYC does. Bonnaroo is a brand, but not in the way that Coachella or Lolla are. Coachella/Lolla can sell hundreds of thoudands of tickets, regardless of the lineup. Roo also has to compete with other offers that acts are getting to play elsewhere.
Somebody doesn't have to be a well known act. They could throw in a small local act for a fraction of the cost, or any number of acts who would be cheaper. Unless there's some evidence that bands are taking a pay cut just for the chance to play Coachella.
In response to some of your other posts, I still feel like you're falsely interpreting stage attendance during the festival as a total reflection of consumer choice in purchasing the tickets in the first place. I purchased a ticket in 2013 with full intention of seeing both Beach House and Bjork, but given the schedule, only had the opportunity to see Bjork. Does that mean that Beach House being on the bill had nothing to do with me buying that ticket on day one of sales?
You think the acts we are talking about are well known acts?
Last year Underworld played NYC in between Coachella weekends and couldnt sell out a 2,000 person venue. I remember asking one friend if he wanted to come with, and I had to explain that it wasnt a vampire movie.
Just earlier today I asked a friend who goes to about as many shows and fests as me, if he wanted to see Moderat at Terminal 5 on Wednesday, and he asked "who?" That show isnt gonna sell out either.
These are not popular acts. You guys confuse acts that rarely perform festivals in the US, as being popular. They are not.
Thats why US fests are not jumping over themselves to get into bidding wars with overseas festivals for them. If they can make more money in Europe, god bless. They arent a draw here.
And if they do route their tour through the US during fest season, you better believe they are taking a pay cut, and doing it in the hopes of gaining a US following.
Coachella happens when Euro season hasnt started. Those acts arent getting other offers anywhere else this time of year. Might as well play the biggest brand name fest in the country, and actually try to gain some US fans.
Somebody doesn't have to be a well known act. They could throw in a small local act for a fraction of the cost, or any number of acts who would be cheaper. Unless there's some evidence that bands are taking a pay cut just for the chance to play Coachella.
In response to some of your other posts, I still feel like you're falsely interpreting stage attendance during the festival as a total reflection of consumer choice in purchasing the tickets in the first place. I purchased a ticket in 2013 with full intention of seeing both Beach House and Bjork, but given the schedule, only had the opportunity to see Bjork. Does that mean that Beach House being on the bill had nothing to do with me buying that ticket on day one of sales?
Last year Underworld played NYC in between Coachella weekends and couldnt sell out a 2,000 person venue. I remember asking one friend if he wanted to come with, and I had to explain that it wasnt a vampire movie.
Just earlier today I asked a friend who goes to about as many shows and fests as me, if he wanted to see Moderat at Terminal 5 on Wednesday, and he asked "who?" That show isnt gonna sell out either.
Off topic here, but how does anyone who enjoys live music, and lives in the NY area , manage to keep money in their pockets? There's something to see every god. damn. night. It's insanity!
Last year Underworld played NYC in between Coachella weekends and couldnt sell out a 2,000 person venue. I remember asking one friend if he wanted to come with, and I had to explain that it wasnt a vampire movie.
Just earlier today I asked a friend who goes to about as many shows and fests as me, if he wanted to see Moderat at Terminal 5 on Wednesday, and he asked "who?" That show isnt gonna sell out either.
Off topic here, but how does anyone who enjoys live music, and lives in the NY area , manage to keep money in their pockets? There's something to see every god. damn. night. It's insanity!
Its probably the biggest non essential drain on my income. I do manage to get on guest lists sometimes, scout stubhub for cheap tix, ect.. But yeah it does hurt my wallet.
I think part of the problem is that we are just focusing on the lineup. A big issue with Bonnaroo and Wayhome going forward is the fact that you have to drive to the middle of nowhere for them. It doesn't kill them, but with the rise of AirBnb, Uber, and Lyft, it's so much more convenient to just rent a place in a city, go to the festival grounds, get fucked up, and then get some poor sap to drive you back. It seems like Firefly and Electric Forest are fine, and Okeechobee is finding a way to survive, but maybe they have a regional draw that Roo and WH don't. Not sure. Don't know enough to draw a conclusion, but throwing out a thought.
Somebody doesn't have to be a well known act. They could throw in a small local act for a fraction of the cost, or any number of acts who would be cheaper. Unless there's some evidence that bands are taking a pay cut just for the chance to play Coachella.
In response to some of your other posts, I still feel like you're falsely interpreting stage attendance during the festival as a total reflection of consumer choice in purchasing the tickets in the first place. I purchased a ticket in 2013 with full intention of seeing both Beach House and Bjork, but given the schedule, only had the opportunity to see Bjork. Does that mean that Beach House being on the bill had nothing to do with me buying that ticket on day one of sales?
You think the acts we are talking about are well known acts?
Last year Underworld played NYC in between Coachella weekends and couldnt sell out a 2,000 person venue. I remember asking one friend if he wanted to come with, and I had to explain that it wasnt a vampire movie.
Just earlier today I asked a friend who goes to about as many shows and fests as me, if he wanted to see Moderat at Terminal 5 on Wednesday, and he asked "who?" That show isnt gonna sell out either.
These are not popular acts. You guys confuse acts that rarely perform festivals in the US, as being popular. They are not.
Thats why US fests are not jumping over themselves to get into bidding wars with overseas festivals for them. If they can make more money in Europe, god bless. They arent a draw here.
And if they do route their tour through the US during fest season, you better believe they are taking a pay cut, and doing it in the hopes of gaining a US following.
Coachella happens when Euro season hasnt started. Those acts arent getting other offers anywhere else this time of year. Might as well play the biggest brand name fest in the country, and actually try to gain some US fans.
Your friends missing out on all this cool music means nothing when many, many people attended to see those acts.
You're still putting all of this on 'brand' while failing to realize why they're so reputable in the first place.
I think part of the problem is that we are just focusing on the lineup. A big issue with Bonnaroo and Wayhome going forward is the fact that you have to drive to the middle of nowhere for them. It doesn't kill them, but with the rise of AirBnb, Uber, and Lyft, it's so much more convenient to just rent a place in a city, go to the festival grounds, get fucked up, and then get some poor sap to drive you back. It seems like Firefly and Electric Forest are fine, and Okeechobee is finding a way to survive, but maybe they have a regional draw that Roo and WH don't. Not sure. Don't know enough to draw a conclusion, but throwing out a thought.
Very true. Also why one bad lineup year for Bonnaroo meant they took such a huge hit, and are having trouble recovering. Its a hard sell.
Bonnaroo is a brand name people know. I think the only reason they never became the instant sell out that Coach and Lolla have become is the location.
Firefly is getting their ass kicked this year. Electric Forest seem to be doing okay, but did just expand to two weekends and are feeling growing pains. Them and Bisco have to be happier than anyone else over the Mysterland cancellation news. Okeechobee clearly had to cut the talent budget back a bit from year 1 to 2. Same deal as Wayhome this year.
I think part of the problem is that we are just focusing on the lineup. A big issue with Bonnaroo and Wayhome going forward is the fact that you have to drive to the middle of nowhere for them. It doesn't kill them, but with the rise of AirBnb, Uber, and Lyft, it's so much more convenient to just rent a place in a city, go to the festival grounds, get fucked up, and then get some poor sap to drive you back. It seems like Firefly and Electric Forest are fine, and Okeechobee is finding a way to survive, but maybe they have a regional draw that Roo and WH don't. Not sure. Don't know enough to draw a conclusion, but throwing out a thought.
That's the thing though. For Bonnaroo to work, the lineup has to be worth all of the bullshit of attending anyways. Last year's lineup wasn't and that was reflected in ticket sales.
You think the acts we are talking about are well known acts?
Last year Underworld played NYC in between Coachella weekends and couldnt sell out a 2,000 person venue. I remember asking one friend if he wanted to come with, and I had to explain that it wasnt a vampire movie.
Just earlier today I asked a friend who goes to about as many shows and fests as me, if he wanted to see Moderat at Terminal 5 on Wednesday, and he asked "who?" That show isnt gonna sell out either.
These are not popular acts. You guys confuse acts that rarely perform festivals in the US, as being popular. They are not.
Thats why US fests are not jumping over themselves to get into bidding wars with overseas festivals for them. If they can make more money in Europe, god bless. They arent a draw here.
And if they do route their tour through the US during fest season, you better believe they are taking a pay cut, and doing it in the hopes of gaining a US following.
Coachella happens when Euro season hasnt started. Those acts arent getting other offers anywhere else this time of year. Might as well play the biggest brand name fest in the country, and actually try to gain some US fans.
Your friends missing out on all this cool music means nothing when many, many people attended to see those acts.
You're still putting all of this on 'brand' while failing to realize why they're so reputable in the first place.
Underworld did not sell out a 2,000 person venue in the biggest media market in the country. Moderat are playing NYC on Wed, its not sold out, its not going to sell out.
They are not draws just because they rarely play festivals and you like them.
I doubt Moderat and Nico Jaar pulled particularly well at Coachella either, but they book them anyway.
Todd Terje, Underworld, and St Germain all had pretty thin crowds. Every set doesn't need to be packed.
They arent packed because they are not popular. And if you guys are saying Moderat and Nico Jaar did have full tents this year, thats because they added another 62,000 people to the capacity of the fest. The Coachella facebook groups are full of ppl complaining about how crowded everything is.
