Whether it's your first Bonnaroo or you’re a music festival veteran, we welcome you to Inforoo.
Here you'll find info about artists, rumors, camping tips, and the infamous Roo Clues. Have a look around then create an account and join in the fun. See you at Bonnaroo!!
Your friends missing out on all this cool music means nothing when many, many people attended to see those acts.
You're still putting all of this on 'brand' while failing to realize why they're so reputable in the first place.
Underworld did not sell out a 2,000 person venue in the biggest media market in the country. Moderat are playing NYC on Wed, its not sold out, its not going to sell out.
They are not draws just because they rarely play festivals and you like them.
I doubt Moderat and Nico Jaar pulled particularly well at Coachella either, but they book them anyway.
Todd Terje, Underworld, and St Germain all had pretty thin crowds. Every set doesn't need to be packed.
They arent packed because they are not popular. And if you guys are saying Moderat and Nico Jaar did have full tents this year, thats because they added another 40,000 people to the capacity of the fest.
I am literally the only Moderat fan alive apparently. No idea how all of those fucking people managed to travel all the way to California to catch them this weekend. NYC club shows do not set the tone for the entire world of live music.
Post by Launchpad McQuack on Apr 16, 2017 19:30:13 GMT -5
The number one post on the Coachella reddit facebook group right now is "Justice or Marshmello?" You guys think those kids give a crap about Nico Jaar? lol
Last year Underworld played NYC in between Coachella weekends and couldnt sell out a 2,000 person venue. I remember asking one friend if he wanted to come with, and I had to explain that it wasnt a vampire movie.
Just earlier today I asked a friend who goes to about as many shows and fests as me, if he wanted to see Moderat at Terminal 5 on Wednesday, and he asked "who?" That show isnt gonna sell out either.
Off topic here, but how does anyone who enjoys live music, and lives in the NY area , manage to keep money in their pockets? There's something to see every god. damn. night. It's insanity!
It's insane indeed. And I can't keep much in my pocket to be honest haha. I'm spending to concerts much more than I'm supposed to, but well, nothing like live music!
The number one post on the Coachella reddit facebook group right now is "Justice or Marshmello?" You guys think those kids give a crap about Nico Jaar? lol
This is as irrelevant as your friend's knowledge of Moderat considering other people besides Reddit kids go to Coachella, some of whom will probably even see Nico Jaar.
The number one post on the Coachella reddit facebook group right now is "Justice or Marshmello?" You guys think those kids give a crap about Nico Jaar? lol
This is as irrelevant as your friend's knowledge of Moderat considering other people besides Reddit kids go to Coachella, some of whom will probably even see Nico Jaar.
Bonnnaroo had Nico Jaar when he was in a more popular critically acclaimed act. Nobody went. The silver bullet thats going to save Bonnaroo isnt booking him now when he is less popular on his own.
Guaranteed Marshmello's set is packed everywhere he plays.
This whole LCD being over hyped has me wondering of the Gorillaz are in the same boat? Most people don't know them or just know of them and lot of people akin yo hip hop I've met do not like any of the new songs. Gorillaz, so far, isn't whoring it out either but I wonder if they end up having a big draw.
Do I think they're crazy? Yes.
At least Gorillaz are hosting a reasonably priced festival.
Gorillaz are putting out new music, which is what LCD should have done. So that will make a big difference draw wise. If Gorillaz had just turned up and started playing the same sets they were playing 7 years ago, I think they would have struggled to find an headliner sized audience (in the US at least).
Gorillaz have a slightly different problem in that even though they have more name recognition, they don't present as a traditional "band" and a casual fan would have no idea what to expect from a Gorillaz show. I'd imagine that translates into lower demand for their performances. The rooms they played on their 2010 tour were pretty borderline, but I recall it selling fairly well.
All that said, with the new music I think Gorrilaz are a perfectly legit 3rd headliner.
This whole LCD being over hyped has me wondering of the Gorillaz are in the same boat? Most people don't know them or just know of them and lot of people akin yo hip hop I've met do not like any of the new songs. Gorillaz, so far, isn't whoring it out either but I wonder if they end up having a big draw.
Do I think they're crazy? Yes.
At least Gorillaz are hosting a reasonably priced festival.
Gorillaz are putting out new music, which is what LCD should have done. So that will make a big difference draw wise. If Gorillaz had just turned up and started playing the same sets they were playing 7 years ago, I think they would have struggled to find an headliner sized audience (in the US at least).
Gorillaz have a slightly different problem in that even though they have more name recognition, they don't present as a traditional "band" and a casual fan would have no idea what to expect from a Gorillaz show. I'd imagine that translates into lower demand for their performances. The rooms they played on their 2010 tour were pretty borderline, but I recall it selling fairly well.
All that said, with the new music I think Gorrilaz are a perfectly legit 3rd headliner.
I'm just glad they're back. After them, I can't think of any other band that have been on hiatus/broken up or that I just kept missing that I'd be thrilled to see. I couldn't care less if they end up costing C3/LN/AEG ect any money.
This is as irrelevant as your friend's knowledge of Moderat considering other people besides Reddit kids go to Coachella, some of whom will probably even see Nico Jaar.
Bonnnaroo had Nico Jaar when he was in a more popular critically acclaimed act. Nobody went. The silver bullet thats going to save Bonnaroo isnt booking him now when he is less popular on his own.
Guaranteed Marshmello's set is packed everywhere he plays.
You're still missing the point though. At least Darkside's crowd had an option and didn't just have to settle for Kaskade. Everyone left satisfied. People went to Bonnaroo that year. Attendance seemed normal?
Phoenix, Arctic Monkeys, Lionel Richie, Frank Ocean, Avetts, Nick Cave, Vampire, Flaming Lips, Damon Albarn, Wiz, Disclosure, Cut Copy, Umphrey's Lauryn Hill, James Blake, Broken Bells, Chromeo, Ice Cube, Warpaint, Danny Brown, Mastodon, etc also played that year. These bands offer plenty of options while hitting multiple bases and are well respected in each sub genre.
Here's the only thing I would ask you Launchpad McQuack. Do you think there's any reason why Roo couldn't book 5-6 undercard acts that fit the Moderat/Nicol Jaar type niche? I think there's a fair argument for booking a handful of acts that won't draw massive crowds but still appeal to the inforoo type of festival goer. Would replacing a total of two lines of getter, milky chance, and whatever other random fodder from this years lineup actually hurt ticket sales? Would adding some interesting acts that might appeal to us as listeners really stop "millenials" from showing up in droves to see RHCP, the weekend, major lazer, and marshmello?
I guess what I'm saying is, is there any reason Livenation doesn't book any of these acts except for the fact that they can get K. Flay for five cents on the dollar to play the trio of Lolla, Roo, and ACL and still probably sell the same amount of tickets as if they had instead thought outside the box a little bit.
Bonnnaroo had Nico Jaar when he was in a more popular critically acclaimed act. Nobody went. The silver bullet thats going to save Bonnaroo isnt booking him now when he is less popular on his own.
Guaranteed Marshmello's set is packed everywhere he plays.
You're still missing the point though. At least Darkside's crowd had an option and didn't just have to settle for Kaskade. Everyone left satisfied. People went to Bonnaroo that year. Attendance seemed normal?
Phoenix, Arctic Monkeys, Lionel Richie, Frank Ocean, Avetts, Nick Cave, Vampire, Flaming Lips, Damon Albarn, Wiz, Disclosure, Cut Copy, Umphrey's Lauryn Hill, James Blake, Broken Bells, Chromeo, Ice Cube, Warpaint, Danny Brown, Mastodon, etc also played that year. These bands offer plenty of options while hitting multiple bases and are well respected in each sub genre.
Attendance is close to normal this coming year too.
U2, RHCP, The Weeknd, Chance the Rapper, Lorde, Flume, The xx, Major Lazer, Travis Scott, Cage the Elephant, Glass Animals, Future Islands, Umphrees McGee, Royal Blood, Car Seat Headrest, Skepta, ect.
I see plenty of genre diversification there. I saw plenty of genre diversification last year too. The problem isnt a lineup that isnt diverse enough.
The thing is though American festivals are now past the point of legend sets and reunions. In its infancy, the pool was massive given those artists were aging and they pretty much had their pick of the litter. Now that those options are slimming, they have to bump preheadliners whether whether we agree they're ready or not.
One might say, "how can these newer acts account for ticket sales when there is no Rush or Van Halen or whatever once upon an arena artist of your choice to save the day, jonejupiter?"
And then I would point out how every single year people go apeshit over the Coachella undercard and how they continue to hold place and how we used to have similar reactions to Bonnaroo and how one year they paired a solid headliner group with a large pile of human poop and no one went.
Last Edit: Apr 16, 2017 22:56:56 GMT -5 by Deleted - Back to Top
Here's the only thing I would ask you Launchpad McQuack . Do you think there's any reason why Roo couldn't book 5-6 undercard acts that fit the Moderat/Nicol Jaar type niche? I think there's a fair argument for booking a handful of acts that won't draw massive crowds but still appeal to the inforoo type of festival goer. Would replacing a total of two lines of getter, milky chance, and whatever other random fodder from this years lineup actually hurt ticket sales? Would adding some interesting acts that might appeal to us as listeners really stop "millenials" from showing up in droves to see RHCP, the weekend, major lazer, and marshmello?
I guess what I'm saying is, is there any reason Livenation doesn't book any of these acts except for the fact that they can get K. Flay for five cents on the dollar to play the trio of Lolla, Roo, and ACL and still probably sell the same amount of tickets as if they had instead thought outside the box a little bit.
Those acts didnt draw when they were at the festival. Is it really worth getting into a bidding war to nab acts that wont help the festival with attendance, would play to an empty tent if they were booked, and wont make anyone excited but 40 some odd ppl on a message board?
The thing is though American festivals are now past the point of legend sets and reunions. In its infancy, the pool was massive given those artists were aging and they pretty much had their pick of the litter. Now that those options are slimming, they have to bump preheadliners whether whether we agree they're ready or not.
One might say, "how can these newer acts account for ticket sales when there is no Rush or Van Halen or whatever what's upon an arena artist of your choice to save the day, jonejupiter?"
And then I would point out how every single year people go apeshit over the Coachella undercard and how they continue to hold place and how we used to have similar reactions to Bonnaroo and how one year they paired a solid headliner group with a large pile of human poop and no one went.
They go so apeshit over them that nobody really goes to those shows either.
Remember all of those terrible headlining sets at Coachella no one went to? Blur/Gorrilaz come to mind. They might have played to half empty fields but all it did was improve Coachella's image in the long run. Where else could one have caught Stone Roses and Blur? It definitely turned some heads internationally despite their small crowds. Even the first LCD set in 2010 was under attended and everyone around me was complaining about James Murphy being boring or bitching for Jay-Z to begin instead. With a consistent undercard, a festival can top the bill with anyone they want.
Post by Launchpad McQuack on Apr 16, 2017 21:00:43 GMT -5
I forgot leftovers started tonight and I have some work to do. I leave you with this:
Inforoo is a bubble. Ppl here get excited when festivals book acts that rarely play US festivals, but the truth is they dont play US festivals because they are not in demand.
Casual concert goers and college kids (the target demo) want more names they know. Headliners. Not undercard acts they have never heard of, but some ppl on the internet or a friend of a friend spotified and said are cool.
Bonnaroo 2016 sold significantly less tickets than prior years because:
1. The undercard was underwhelming 2. The headliners were not popular/relevant to contemporary music, so they did not appeal to a younger crowd, a demo bonnaroo needs to sell tickets 3. The genre of the undercard acts did not align with the headliners, so those who would have attended for headliners did not because there were not enough parallel bands in the undercard 4. The festival market is oversaturated, creating a sameness across festivals, meaning there is no compelling reason to sleep in the mud in TN in June to catch the same bands you can see at a festival in the city you live in. 5. There was not enough hip-hop 6. There was not enough EDM
so by all means lets keep talking about it if it makes everyone happy, and I appreciate not everyone has the kind of leisure time to read this entire thread, but we have definitely covered the above topics exhaustively.
also i agree with cdevaney that if I break my streak in 2017 it will make returning in future years incredibly unlikely, not only for psychological inertia reasons, but also because if 2017 is bad enough for me to not go for reasons similar to those noted above, then those same mistakes are more likely to be repeated in 2018 and beyond.
1. Tent appropriate hip-hop 2. Stage appropriate hip-hop 3. One or two rare/unique tent/stage acts 4. One or two "classic" tent/stage acts 5. One or two "interesting" electronic/DJ acts in tents 6. A smattering of basic EDM sprinkled throughout various time slots 7. That newish rock band with the potential to save the genre opening a stage 8. Galactic 9. One "punk" band 10. One metal band 11. Handful of shitty indie type bands 12. and fill the rest with whatever bands are touring
It's the bonnaroo 2012-2015 undercard formula. It works fine. I'm not expecting the moon I don't think, just do the above, throw in 2 headliners I care to see, and I'll spend January through May complaining and nitpicking but come June I'll be there.
2017 is missing #3, #4, #5 (unless you count claude vonstroke/barclay crenshaw), #9, #10. We've got shitloads of #6 and #11.
Sometimes, when it's real late at night and the world is quiet, I lay bed and softly wonder, "What if there are MULTIPLE reasons that Bonnaroo isn't selling as well?"
Sometimes, when it's real late at night and the world is quiet, I lay bed and softly wonder, "What if there are MULTIPLE reasons that Bonnaroo isn't selling as well?"
I forgot leftovers started tonight and I have some work to do. I leave you with this:
Inforoo is a bubble. Ppl here get excited when festivals book acts that rarely play US festivals, but the truth is they dont play US festivals because they are not in demand.
Casual concert goers and college kids (the target demo) want more names they know. Headliners. Not undercard acts they have never heard of, but some ppl on the internet or a friend of a friend spotified and said are cool.
Youre still my bubble. To all a good night.
Every place is a bubble. You can navigate other bubbles or choose to exist in your own, your choice. While NYC is often the center of the world, it's in no way an all encompassing reality. I saw Basement Jaxx a couple of summers ago at Summerstage. Not sure what the capacity was that night, but I thought it seemed way too small for New York. We all know seeing them in London would be a whole other deal. That's why I don't even bring up Dallas. It's the kind of place where rad, electronic act Weval only plays for 15 minutes because five people show up so they never come back. I know I can have far better experiences with my favorite artists outside of this bubble, so I leave it. And I've met people from all over the world traveling for shows, so that notion is not exclusive to this board. Imo a festival's goal should be to attract Marshmello fan + random teacher from Texas. Then you have the advantage of pulling in a new audience, while bringing back the old one. How do you bring the old people back? Book proven acts you know they'll enjoy. Plus, people make more money when they are finally out of college anyways so why cut them off?
My goal this year was to see ATCQ. I didn't resist buying an FYF ticket when I found them paired with rare acts like Daniel Avery/MCDE or old favorites like Flylo. Everything else (Granddaddy, Talabot, top of the card) was just bonus after the fact. I might even manage to catch our old pal Nico Jaar while we're at it. The difference here is FYF is not after Marshmellow money. You're gonna have to appeal to everyone if you expect to bring in 100K though.
I learned 2 things tonight. There was a festival 2 hours from my in upstate NY that I somehow never knew about and no longer exists, and I somehow missed the boat on Modrat
Somebody doesn't have to be a well known act. They could throw in a small local act for a fraction of the cost, or any number of acts who would be cheaper. Unless there's some evidence that bands are taking a pay cut just for the chance to play Coachella.
In response to some of your other posts, I still feel like you're falsely interpreting stage attendance during the festival as a total reflection of consumer choice in purchasing the tickets in the first place. I purchased a ticket in 2013 with full intention of seeing both Beach House and Bjork, but given the schedule, only had the opportunity to see Bjork. Does that mean that Beach House being on the bill had nothing to do with me buying that ticket on day one of sales?
You think the acts we are talking about are well known acts?
Last year Underworld played NYC in between Coachella weekends and couldnt sell out a 2,000 person venue. I remember asking one friend if he wanted to come with, and I had to explain that it wasnt a vampire movie.
Just earlier today I asked a friend who goes to about as many shows and fests as me, if he wanted to see Moderat at Terminal 5 on Wednesday, and he asked "who?" That show isnt gonna sell out either.
These are not popular acts. You guys confuse acts that rarely perform festivals in the US, as being popular. They are not.
Thats why US fests are not jumping over themselves to get into bidding wars with overseas festivals for them. If they can make more money in Europe, god bless. They arent a draw here.
And if they do route their tour through the US during fest season, you better believe they are taking a pay cut, and doing it in the hopes of gaining a US following.
Coachella happens when Euro season hasnt started. Those acts arent getting other offers anywhere else this time of year. Might as well play the biggest brand name fest in the country, and actually try to gain some US fans.
If you want to get into the distinction of well known in terms of mass appeal or well known amongst music junkies, even those of a particular genre, that's fine, but still isn't my point. My point wasn't about how well known acts like Moderat or Underworld are, it's that there are most definitely acts that are less well known, and cheaper to book.
I'm under the assumption that booking Moderat would be pricier than booking random Los Angeles DJ who would probably play Coachella for free if given the chance. What's the point of booking Moderat, if as you said, they don't even sell out 2k cap venues and the majority of festival goers don't know who they are? There's obviously no value there in terms of what I can discern you believe to define as value for those who book for festivals. Why not just cram the eight biggest names you can get on two stages for a day, and then spend pennies on acts that will play for free (or close to it), since the acts that draw huge numbers are the only ones that matter?
Last Edit: Apr 16, 2017 23:59:51 GMT -5 by 70x7 - Back to Top
I mean there was still shitty EDM and good EDM 5 years ago, even at Bonnaroo. At least half of this statement still holds true today. Meanwhile there are college kids getting down to cool shit in the Yuma this weekend - proof you can have both.
Cant compare Coachella or Lolla to anyone else. Both can book anyone they want and sell out. Its become more about the brand and the status symbol attending represents than the music... I know thats not true for people here, not true for you or I, but its true for the majority of kids attending.
Look at some of the other lineups inforoo has gone nuts over in the last few months: FYF, BC, Day for Night.. All amazing lineups in my opinion, all near major cities in good locations too. None of them have capacities over 40k, none of them are selling out (FYF might eventually.. But its not exactly Lolla or Coachella level sell outs where they dont even have to release the lineup to sell hundreds of thousands of tickets).
Coachella and Lolla sell themselves based on the brand name. People like buying brand names. Thats what separates Pepsi and Coke from RC Cola and Faygo. Its the same thing, but people overwhelmingly go with the name they know.
I don't fully agree with this. Lolla has really never deviated from its brand ever - it caters to music that 16-24 year olds listen. As those tastes change, so do the Lolla genres. But it's never really changed over 25 years. Or even since as long as it's been in Chicago. If you are in that demographic then Lolla is going to deliver for you almost every time. It's a brand in the sense of earned trust, not just a recognizable name.
Bonnaroo has tried to pivot all the way from a regional camping jam fest to "Lollapalooza with camping, in a farm in Tennessee." With c3 now booking, Roo is basically shooting for the same target that Lolla has been aiming for since as long as they've been in Chicago, but without the benefit of drawing from the Chicago market.
Lolla is a brand, but they've never had an identity crisis on what they are.
You're still missing the point though. At least Darkside's crowd had an option and didn't just have to settle for Kaskade. Everyone left satisfied. People went to Bonnaroo that year. Attendance seemed normal?
Phoenix, Arctic Monkeys, Lionel Richie, Frank Ocean, Avetts, Nick Cave, Vampire, Flaming Lips, Damon Albarn, Wiz, Disclosure, Cut Copy, Umphrey's Lauryn Hill, James Blake, Broken Bells, Chromeo, Ice Cube, Warpaint, Danny Brown, Mastodon, etc also played that year. These bands offer plenty of options while hitting multiple bases and are well respected in each sub genre.
Attendance is close to normal this coming year too.
U2, RHCP, The Weeknd, Chance the Rapper, Lorde, Flume, The xx, Major Lazer, Travis Scott, Cage the Elephant, Glass Animals, Future Islands, Umphrees McGee, Royal Blood, Car Seat Headrest, Skepta, ect.
I see plenty of genre diversification there. I saw plenty of genre diversification last year too. The problem isnt a lineup that isnt diverse enough.
If you truly can't see the difference in these artists then I can see why you're struggling here.
This whole LCD being over hyped has me wondering of the Gorillaz are in the same boat? Most people don't know them or just know of them and lot of people akin yo hip hop I've met do not like any of the new songs. Gorillaz, so far, isn't whoring it out either but I wonder if they end up having a big draw.
Do I think they're crazy? Yes.
At least Gorillaz are hosting a reasonably priced festival.
Gorillaz are putting out new music, which is what LCD should have done. So that will make a big difference draw wise. If Gorillaz had just turned up and started playing the same sets they were playing 7 years ago, I think they would have struggled to find an headliner sized audience (in the US at least).
Gorillaz have a slightly different problem in that even though they have more name recognition, they don't present as a traditional "band" and a casual fan would have no idea what to expect from a Gorillaz show. I'd imagine that translates into lower demand for their performances. The rooms they played on their 2010 tour were pretty borderline, but I recall it selling fairly well.
All that said, with the new music I think Gorrilaz are a perfectly legit 3rd headliner.
Gorillaz are exponentially bigger than LCD. They have had massive worldwide hits. Clint Eastwood was maybe the biggest alternative single of the early 2000s, up there with some White Stripes songs. I still hear Feel Good Inc at random bars and frequently on the radio. I'm very interested to see how their ticket sales are in my city because they do have big hits, but it's also a band that hasn't toured much and has kinda been out of the mainstream limelight for several years.
Gorillaz are putting out new music, which is what LCD should have done. So that will make a big difference draw wise. If Gorillaz had just turned up and started playing the same sets they were playing 7 years ago, I think they would have struggled to find an headliner sized audience (in the US at least).
Gorillaz have a slightly different problem in that even though they have more name recognition, they don't present as a traditional "band" and a casual fan would have no idea what to expect from a Gorillaz show. I'd imagine that translates into lower demand for their performances. The rooms they played on their 2010 tour were pretty borderline, but I recall it selling fairly well.
All that said, with the new music I think Gorrilaz are a perfectly legit 3rd headliner.
Gorillaz are exponentially bigger than LCD. They have had massive worldwide hits. Clint Eastwood was maybe the biggest alternative single of the early 2000s, up there with some White Stripes songs. I still hear Feel Good Inc at random bars and frequently on the radio. I'm very interested to see how their ticket sales are in my city because they do have big hits, but it's also a band that hasn't toured much and has kinda been out of the mainstream limelight for several years.
The venues are about what I was expecting. I think they might have trouble selling out MPP on a Monday, but Red Rocks and Northerly Island and stuff should sell well.
Gorillaz are exponentially bigger than LCD. They have had massive worldwide hits. Clint Eastwood was maybe the biggest alternative single of the early 2000s, up there with some White Stripes songs. I still hear Feel Good Inc at random bars and frequently on the radio. I'm very interested to see how their ticket sales are in my city because they do have big hits, but it's also a band that hasn't toured much and has kinda been out of the mainstream limelight for several years.
The venues are about what I was expecting. I think they might have trouble selling out MPP on a Monday, but Red Rocks and Northerly Island and stuff should sell well.
I was pleasantly surprised to find out they're playing Northerly. I like that place.
Gorillaz are putting out new music, which is what LCD should have done. So that will make a big difference draw wise. If Gorillaz had just turned up and started playing the same sets they were playing 7 years ago, I think they would have struggled to find an headliner sized audience (in the US at least).
Gorillaz have a slightly different problem in that even though they have more name recognition, they don't present as a traditional "band" and a casual fan would have no idea what to expect from a Gorillaz show. I'd imagine that translates into lower demand for their performances. The rooms they played on their 2010 tour were pretty borderline, but I recall it selling fairly well.
All that said, with the new music I think Gorrilaz are a perfectly legit 3rd headliner.
Gorillaz are exponentially bigger than LCD. They have had massive worldwide hits. Clint Eastwood was maybe the biggest alternative single of the early 2000s, up there with some White Stripes songs. I still hear Feel Good Inc at random bars and frequently on the radio. I'm very interested to see how their ticket sales are in my city because they do have big hits, but it's also a band that hasn't toured much and has kinda been out of the mainstream limelight for several years.
Their Coachella set was underattended. No one went to Blur. No one likes them.
Gorillaz are exponentially bigger than LCD. They have had massive worldwide hits. Clint Eastwood was maybe the biggest alternative single of the early 2000s, up there with some White Stripes songs. I still hear Feel Good Inc at random bars and frequently on the radio. I'm very interested to see how their ticket sales are in my city because they do have big hits, but it's also a band that hasn't toured much and has kinda been out of the mainstream limelight for several years.
The venues are about what I was expecting. I think they might have trouble selling out MPP on a Monday, but Red Rocks and Northerly Island and stuff should sell well.
funny enough, LCD sold out two red rocks shows last year and Gorillaz are only playing one.
.png)
