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i really do think it's just the Brand New thing holding them up.
idk, look at how quick it was to find a replacement for Frank Ocean for things this year, brand new is big but what they'd be maybe 4th line, 3rd if its shitty (theyre not bigger than Hall&Oates, Future, Avetts from '16), I imagine it wouldn't be that hard to find one 4th line quality act or just add a 6-10 line and bump everyone up one.
i really do think it's just the Brand New thing holding them up.
idk, look at how quick it was to find a replacement for Frank Ocean for things this year, brand new is big but what they'd be maybe 4th line, 3rd if its shitty (theyre not bigger than Hall&Oates, Future, Avetts from '16), I imagine it wouldn't be that hard to find one 4th line quality act or just add a 6-10 line and bump everyone up one.
Not to mention you could just put out a lineup without having a replacement yet and just announce whoever it is as an addition once they're confirmed
Post by trantsgiving on Nov 21, 2017 13:16:32 GMT -5
It must be a multitude of problems if they’re holding back the entire line up. When Beck dropped out of Shaky Knees in 2014, they just put a “coming soon” in his spot and booked Alabama Shakes less than a week later. You’ve gotta think it’s a lot of things.
Definitely not a Brand New thing. If it was, they'd be at best a sub-headliner - plus this festival always releases multiple waves, right? So just cover up their name.
It could be one of the contributing factors, but can't imagine it's THE FACTOR
Definitely not a Brand New thing. If it was, they'd be at best a sub-headliner - plus this festival always releases multiple waves, right? So just cover up their name.
It could be one of the contributing factors, but can't imagine it's THE FACTOR
Yeah. I like the theory someone Drakeed (Jesus. C'mon mods) a few days ago where they're not going to release until they hit 'x' number of presale tickets (which they've extended the time to buy at least once). Maybe one or more of their financial backers could be demanding this.
It could also be a matter of not wanting to release the list without including a couple major acts that would create buzz and ticket sales that they aren't allowed to release based on other, bigger festivals or contractual obligations of or to the artists as to when that artist's tour gets released or placement on a different festival's lineup that has the first rights to announce or whatever.
Either way, it's 100 days until March 1st. I'm sure most people that are going to go already know they're going to go. But there has to be a percentage waiting on the lineup to commit - especially where it's an ordeal to get down there with camping gear et al. The longer they wait, the more options are going to open up to compare Okee with. At some point, it would have been better for Okee to just give a lineup date or something more than "soon" as to when people can expect more information. I'm not one that subscribes to the marketing idea that any attention is good attention. If you piss off your base, you're going to eventually lose some of it.
Definitely not a Brand New thing. If it was, they'd be at best a sub-headliner - plus this festival always releases multiple waves, right? So just cover up their name.
It could be one of the contributing factors, but can't imagine it's THE FACTOR
Yeah. I like the theory someone Drakeed (Jesus. C'mon mods) a few days ago where they're not going to release until they hit 'x' number of presale tickets (which they've extended the time to buy at least once). Maybe one or more of their financial backers could be demanding this.
It could also be a matter of not wanting to release the list without including a couple major acts that would create buzz and ticket sales that they aren't allowed to release based on other, bigger festivals or contractual obligations of or to the artists as to when that artist's tour gets released or placement on a different festival's lineup that has the first rights to announce or whatever.
Either way, it's 100 days until March 1st. I'm sure most people that are going to go already know they're going to go. But there has to be a percentage waiting on the lineup to commit - especially where it's an ordeal to get down there with camping gear et al. The longer they wait, the more options are going to open up to compare Okee with. At some point, it would have been better for Okee to just give a lineup date or something more than "soon" as to when people can expect more information. I'm not one that subscribes to the marketing idea that any attention is good attention. If you piss off your base, you're going to eventually lose some of it.
My understanding is that in a post-Phyre Fest festival world, acts are demanding more money up front to sign contracts to play festivals so as 1) not to be associate with failed festivals and 2) ensure they get something if the festival folds and they booked their tour around it. Not an issue for fests that sell out (or sell tons of tickets) blind or in pre-sales, but where it could get a fest like Okee is something like this. Say they did book Eminem hypothetically and he has a $700k booking fee of which he demands $350k before the lineup drops or else he wants his "first announced festival" to be somewhere else. It's circular logic but they can't release Eminem's name without being able to have the $350k to pay him, and they may not get the $350k to pay him until they release his name.
^The mass shooting has investors spooked too. When the main investor of SOS pulled out, the shooting in Vegas occurred and it essentially nulled any confidence with back up investors, forcing them to pull the fest.
Post by fridakahlo on Nov 21, 2017 14:15:48 GMT -5
Some smaller festivals popped up in Florida in recent years - House of Creatives, Zen Awakening, III Points, Riptide, Brainquility- and they're probably trying to compete with not only those but already-established ones (Hula, Wanee, Ultra, SunFest, just to name a few). The smaller festivals are way less expensive, and are booking names similar to what Okee would book. Makes me wonder if they're having difficulty booking acts.
Yeah. I like the theory someone Drakeed (Jesus. C'mon mods) a few days ago where they're not going to release until they hit 'x' number of presale tickets (which they've extended the time to buy at least once). Maybe one or more of their financial backers could be demanding this.
It could also be a matter of not wanting to release the list without including a couple major acts that would create buzz and ticket sales that they aren't allowed to release based on other, bigger festivals or contractual obligations of or to the artists as to when that artist's tour gets released or placement on a different festival's lineup that has the first rights to announce or whatever.
Either way, it's 100 days until March 1st. I'm sure most people that are going to go already know they're going to go. But there has to be a percentage waiting on the lineup to commit - especially where it's an ordeal to get down there with camping gear et al. The longer they wait, the more options are going to open up to compare Okee with. At some point, it would have been better for Okee to just give a lineup date or something more than "soon" as to when people can expect more information. I'm not one that subscribes to the marketing idea that any attention is good attention. If you piss off your base, you're going to eventually lose some of it.
My understanding is that in a Drake-Phyre Fest festival world, acts are demanding more money up front to sign contracts to play festivals so as 1) not to be associate with failed festivals and 2) ensure they get something if the festival folds and they booked their tour around it. Not an issue for fests that sell out (or sell tons of tickets) blind or in pre-sales, but where it could get a fest like Okee is something like this. Say they did book Eminem hypothetically and he has a $700k booking fee of which he demands $350k before the lineup drops or else he wants his "first announced festival" to be somewhere else. It's circular logic but they can't release Eminem's name without being able to have the $350k to pay him, and they may not get the $350k to pay him until they release his name.
So that's the type of thing I think is going on.
If this were the case, then the obvious solution would be to block out his name on a phase 1 lineup, get that 350k, and then announce him later.
My understanding is that in a Drake-Phyre Fest festival world, acts are demanding more money up front to sign contracts to play festivals so as 1) not to be associate with failed festivals and 2) ensure they get something if the festival folds and they booked their tour around it. Not an issue for fests that sell out (or sell tons of tickets) blind or in pre-sales, but where it could get a fest like Okee is something like this. Say they did book Eminem hypothetically and he has a $700k booking fee of which he demands $350k before the lineup drops or else he wants his "first announced festival" to be somewhere else. It's circular logic but they can't release Eminem's name without being able to have the $350k to pay him, and they may not get the $350k to pay him until they release his name.
So that's the type of thing I think is going on.
If this were the case, then the obvious solution would be to block out his name on a phase 1 lineup, get that 350k, and then announce him later.
Not quite, hard to release a lineup without a headliner - or headliners - and get any traction in today's festival landscape. If they released a top line of like J Cole - Alesso - Cage the Elephant and said "more headliners coming soon" they'd get mocked and buried before they could announce Eminem.
If this were the case, then the obvious solution would be to block out his name on a phase 1 lineup, get that 350k, and then announce him later.
Not quite, hard to release a lineup without a headliner - or headliners - and get any traction in today's festival landscape. If they released a top line of like J Cole - Alesso - Cage the Elephant and said "more headliners coming soon" they'd get mocked and buried before they could announce Eminem.
Just put a scratched or blurred name in the #1 spot instead of “more headliners soon”.
If this were the case, then the obvious solution would be to block out his name on a phase 1 lineup, get that 350k, and then announce him later.
Not quite, hard to release a lineup without a headliner - or headliners - and get any traction in today's festival landscape. If they released a top line of like J Cole - Alesso - Cage the Elephant and said "more headliners coming soon" they'd get mocked and buried before they could announce Eminem.
well eminem wouldn't save that anyway...
ACL released with RHCP - Chance - Killers - Gorillaz, people were not impressed, they revealed Jay Z later in the day, and everyone was just kind of like oh ok weird execution. Idk how it effected ticket sales but generally weekend 1 goes immediately after the drop this year it kind of lingered. it's a bold move.
idk, look at how quick it was to find a replacement for Frank Ocean for things this year, brand new is big but what they'd be maybe 4th line, 3rd if its shitty (theyre not bigger than Hall&Oates, Future, Avetts from '16), I imagine it wouldn't be that hard to find one 4th line quality act or just add a 6-10 line and bump everyone up one.
Not to mention you could just put out a lineup without having a replacement yet and just announce whoever it is as an addition once they're confirmed
My understanding is that in a Drake-Phyre Fest festival world, acts are demanding more money up front to sign contracts to play festivals so as 1) not to be associate with failed festivals and 2) ensure they get something if the festival folds and they booked their tour around it. Not an issue for fests that sell out (or sell tons of tickets) blind or in pre-sales, but where it could get a fest like Okee is something like this. Say they did book Eminem hypothetically and he has a $700k booking fee of which he demands $350k before the lineup drops or else he wants his "first announced festival" to be somewhere else. It's circular logic but they can't release Eminem's name without being able to have the $350k to pay him, and they may not get the $350k to pay him until they release his name.
So that's the type of thing I think is going on.
If this were the case, then the obvious solution would be to block out his name on a phase 1 lineup, get that 350k, and then announce him later.
However if this was the case for multiple people on the lineup... That could be a problem
Not quite, hard to release a lineup without a headliner - or headliners - and get any traction in today's festival landscape. If they released a top line of like J Cole - Alesso - Cage the Elephant and said "more headliners coming soon" they'd get mocked and buried before they could announce Eminem.
well eminem wouldn't save that anyway...
ACL released with RHCP - Chance - Killers - Gorillaz, people were not impressed, they revealed Jay Z later in the day, and everyone was just kind of like oh ok weird execution. Idk how it effected ticket sales but generally weekend 1 goes immediately after the drop this year it kind of lingered. it's a bold move.
That's pretty much my point - a big festival that's gonna sell out regardless can probably get away with releasing a lineup without your #1, or 2 of your top 5, or something like that but a fest the size of Okee would probably get buried in the news cycle if they release a shit top 5 in December once lineups start pouring in in January. They'd be playing with fire.
Sweetwater 420(?) is doing that right? Theres a big difference between WSP and Eminem I guess, but they posted most of the lineup just blocked out the one.
I think the up front Em (or whomever) fees are probably the issue, or the financial support backing out SoS style.
This is more of a general question but is the investor fear from the shooting in Vegas legit? As in, should we expect lower turnouts across the festival landscape due to perceived (or real) security threats?
This is more of a general question but is the investor fear from the shooting in Vegas legit? As in, should we expect lower turnouts across the festival landscape due to perceived (or real) security threats?
I have no idea. ACL didn't appear deterred after offering full refunds due to the shooting. Long term? I don't think so. I think it was more acute reaction but helping the idea that perhaps festivals aren't worth the investment.
This is more of a general question but is the investor fear from the shooting in Vegas legit? As in, should we expect lower turnouts across the festival landscape due to perceived (or real) security threats?
I see it having more effect on sponsor participation than consumer participation. The people that are willing to spend money and time on traveling to these things will keep going, corporate interests are more likely to get skidding though.
This is more of a general question but is the investor fear from the shooting in Vegas legit? As in, should we expect lower turnouts across the festival landscape due to perceived (or real) security threats?
I see it having more effect on sponsor participation than consumer participation. The people that are willing to spend money and time on traveling to these things will keep going, corporate interests are more likely to get skidding though.
And the Vegas festival and Live Nation are getting sued now, so the investor fears aren’t entirely unfounded
Sweetwater 420(?) is doing that right? Theres a big difference between WSP and Eminem I guess, but they posted most of the lineup just blocked out the one.
I think the up front Em (or whomever) fees are probably the issue, or the financial support backing out SoS style.
Is Eminem really going to make his return to the stage at a still somewhat nationally unknown festival in central FL? Doesn't Okee only have a capacity of 35k? You would have to think that unless they really increased their budget this year that they'll struggle to fill out an entire lineup with Em at top, considering he probably costs more to book than all 3 of their headliners combined last year.
Post by fridakahlo on Nov 22, 2017 10:12:07 GMT -5
They had a lineup prediction contest a few weeks ago where, if you had a Spotify account, you could guess 12 acts and the winner gets 4 GA passes and a parking pass. Per the conditions, winners should be notified by December 1. However, if the lineup truly is in trouble, could they cancel the contest altogether? I'm looking into it more and it sounds like, in one of the paragraphs, they can.
They had a lineup prediction contest a few weeks ago where, if you had a Spotify account, you could guess 12 acts and the winner gets 4 GA passes and a parking pass. Per the conditions, winners should be notified by December 1. However, if the lineup truly is in trouble, could they cancel the contest altogether? I'm looking into it more and it sounds like, in one of the paragraphs, they can.
"Sponsor reserves the right to cancel or amend the Contest and these Official Rules without notice in the event of a catastrophe, war, civil or military disturbance, act of God or any actual or anticipated breach of any applicable law or regulation or any other event outside of the Sponsor’s control. If the 2018 Okeechobee lineup is leaked during the Contest Period, or if Sponsor has reason to believe that the lineup has leaked, Sponsor may terminate the Contest and not award the prizes and Sponsor will announce the termination on the Contest website. Entrants will be notified of any changes to the Contest as soon as possible by Sponsor. Sponsor shall have the right, at its sole discretion and at any time, to change or modify these Official Rules, and such change shall be effective immediately upon posting to the www.okeechobeefest.com website."
Certainly this situation is on the verge of a catastrophe, if nothing else.
Post by DueDylangence on Nov 22, 2017 10:23:50 GMT -5
The street team is still getting updates and notifications. We were asked yesterday to do a poster campaign that says “the portal is coming.” The festival is not getting canceled, the lineup is going to be released three weeks later because of a snag that’s it. The cap has been raised to 40K, ticket prices went up and they’re also charging for car camping. In past years it’s been so sold out when we left to go to the store for supplies there were mile long lines outside with people trying to get in. The festival is doing very well financially and will probably sell out again this year too. I can’t speak for the lineup but the price and cap increases should indicate a slightly better lineup. Everyone relax
They had a lineup prediction contest a few weeks ago where, if you had a Spotify account, you could guess 12 acts and the winner gets 4 GA passes and a parking pass. Per the conditions, winners should be notified by December 1. However, if the lineup truly is in trouble, could they cancel the contest altogether? I'm looking into it more and it sounds like, in one of the paragraphs, they can.
Pretty sure they can cancel it so long as they don’t pick a winner. For them to pick one would enter them in a contract and they must provide consideration. If they fail to come through with their end you have to settle it out of court per the arbitration clause in the contract
